OEM Halogen to OEM Xenon HID headlight conversion instructions - Page 3 - Nissan Murano

**jaak** · 06-25-2005, 07:36 AM

It would look like this....

I did see a pot that looks good, but I don't see that it's got a logarithmic (or Audio) taper to it.

http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebComme...KU=01F2641&N=0

hfelknor · 06-25-2005, 01:49 PM

Why would you want a log taper?
Looks like a classic place you would want a linear taper.

Homer

**jaak** · 06-25-2005, 05:44 PM

Maybe you're right Homer... I just glanced at it and saw each position more than doubled the last position's value an figured a Linear taper would suck as it would all be at one end. A Log might be too much the other way. It's been years since I've looked at the curve.

Do ya happen to remember? That's a lot easier than me looking it up again.

hfelknor · 06-25-2005, 06:22 PM

Gee, I looked and saw 750 on one end and 1 ohm (I don't believe that) on the other and some steps in between.
You may be right.

It's just that when I think of Log pots I think of audio.........1 DB steps for instance........and that has nothing to do with positioning a light source.
Most step motors are linear by nature.

As to the one ohm resistor shown..........
If it takes 120 ohms to make a real difference.......then I have to believe that the 1 ohm is a straight wire, or 0 ohms.
! ohm resistors just add to cost and in this case I don't see it doing anything.
I know that I wouldn't put a 1 ohm resistor in there unless I was using it as a fuse.......and that is generally a very bad idea as resistors tend to smoke and sometimes flame when overloaded......

Bottom line, I remove my objection, you may be right, I just don't know the exact electrical characteristics of Log Pots. I just know the audio results.........

Homer

MO in TO · 06-26-2005, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by jaak
One thing I noticed... You haven't installed the aiming switch. Is this something you've considered?

I don't think I will really need that as my loads are fairly consistent (hand tools, some inventory and test equipment). I will be having my headlights aimed at the dealer as soon as my rims arrive from LA. I may ask them to look up the factory parts. I assume if the leads exist, and the motors are already on the housings (small motors behind each white plastic screw), it may just be plug and play (plus mount the switch) at the dashboard then?

If it is this simple and not too many $$$, I may consider it..........

hfelknor · 06-26-2005, 07:37 PM

MO in TO, I think you are right.
I have the OEM HIDS and after the original adjustment, I have never adjusted the lights again.
I suppose if I occasionally towed a boat...........

Homer

**zebelkhan** · 07-20-2005, 04:23 PM

I have a co-worker who has a 2003 SE. She is getting tired of little things that are happening to her MO (a few weeks ago her alternator failed and now she has the gas cap lock problem) so she is thinking about trading it in for a Ford.....

I am trying to convince her to let me swap the headlights with mine before trading it in. I know I will have no issues with installing the HIDs on mine, but will the Halogoen ones work on hers? - Does anyone know?

**Eric L.** · 07-20-2005, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by zebelkhan
I have a co-worker who has a 2003 SE. She is getting tired of little things that are happening to her MO (a few weeks ago her alternator failed and now she has the gas cap lock problem) so she is thinking about trading it in for a Ford.....

I am trying to convince her to let me swap the headlights with mine before trading it in. I know I will have no issues with installing the HIDs on mine, but will the Halogoen ones work on hers? - Does anyone know?

Only way to find out would be to try it. Since no SE comes with halogens, you know from the start the wiring will be slightly different.

Also it will affect trade in value.

**zebelkhan** · 07-20-2005, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Eric L.
Also it will affect trade in value.

LOL...I better make sure she does not see your post...!

**Eric L.** · 07-20-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by zebelkhan

LOL...I better make sure she does not see your post...!

ur a sneaky one...

SugarRushMurano · 07-20-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by zebelkhan
I have a co-worker who has a 2003 SE. She is getting tired of little things that are happening to her MO (a few weeks ago her alternator failed and now she has the gas cap lock problem) so she is thinking about trading it in for a Ford.....

I am trying to convince her to let me swap the headlights with mine before trading it in. I know I will have no issues with installing the HIDs on mine, but will the Halogoen ones work on hers? - Does anyone know?

In MO equiped with HID, power are provided to the hid bulb all time when the headlight is on regardless it is at lo beam or hi beam. The solenoid inside the HID headlight will then received powered (+) if the driver pull the stalk behind the steering wheel for hi beam. Notice here, there are 2 powered wires allowed to be 'hot' at the same time.

In MO equiped with halogen, the hot wires can only be either one depending whether it is lo or hi beam that you want. This is why direct retrofit of HID to murano need additional relay circuit. (see MO IN TO writeups). The relay will trick the halogen wirings to behave like HID wirings: 2 powered wire simultaneously instead of the either-or.

If you swap your halogen headlight to hers and she pull the stalk to hi beam, both the hi and lo wires will be powered since her Electrical control module still think that his wiring is HID! I dont know if 9007 halogen bulb can have both hi and lo filament inside the bulb to be hot at the same time; it may blow the bulb out instantenously because of current overload, no?

ekaxel · 07-20-2005, 11:01 PM

I am sure a circuit with a couple of relays coul be developed. Both cars would have to be modofied unless the IPDMs were switched at the same time.

**zebelkhan** · 07-21-2005, 01:38 AM

Thanks for the inputs. I was hoping for no modification to her car because I am not sure if she would go for anything other than a streight swap.

Oh well, I guess I could ask...

**Eric L.** · 07-21-2005, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zebelkhan
Thanks for the inputs. I was hoping for no modification to her car because I am not sure if she would go for anything other than a streight swap.

Oh well, I guess I could ask...

I really think you should be up front and also let her know the implications of switching to halogen (i.e. effect on trade in value). Of course you can do whatever you like, but I need to "officially" state my caution here in case something comes up later on.

**zebelkhan** · 07-21-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by Eric L.
I really think you should be up front and also let her know the implications of switching to halogen (i.e. effect on trade in value). Of course you can do whatever you like, but I need to "officially" state my caution here in case something comes up later on.

Thank you Eric, and I would not have it any other way. I was just kidding above...

06-25-2005, 07:36 AM	#31 (permalink)
jaak Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto, Eh! Posts: 4,662	It would look like this.... I did see a pot that looks good, but I don't see that it's got a logarithmic (or Audio) taper to it. http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebComme...KU=01F2641&N=0 Attached Thumbnails

06-25-2005, 01:49 PM	#32 (permalink)
hfelknor Super Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 3,281	Why would you want a log taper? Looks like a classic place you would want a linear taper. Homer __________________ 2001 Jaguar XJ8 Cruiser 2004 ThunderBird 2 passenger Runabout HAD The GOLD RUSH until Nov 6 2009 2003 Gold SLFWD with Premium, Sunroof, Latte Leather, Ultrashield Invisible Bra, Sunroof wind deflector, Aluminum Tank Guard, Chrome Wheels by Ion Alloy, Michelin 235/65-18 Cross Terrains, Garmin Nuvi 2008 Cadillac Gold Mist DTS LUX III - Gone! 2010 Mercedes Benz GLK 350 - Gone! "Didja ever notice that quiet people are not the only ones who don't say much?"

06-25-2005, 05:44 PM	#33 (permalink)
jaak Moderator Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto, Eh! Posts: 4,662	Maybe you're right Homer... I just glanced at it and saw each position more than doubled the last position's value an figured a Linear taper would suck as it would all be at one end. A Log might be too much the other way. It's been years since I've looked at the curve. Do ya happen to remember? That's a lot easier than me looking it up again. __________________ The Nissan Murano... Love at first drive! But this is what I drive these days... Does a 12 second 1/4 mile @117 mph.

06-25-2005, 06:22 PM	#34 (permalink)
hfelknor Super Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 3,281	Gee, I looked and saw 750 on one end and 1 ohm (I don't believe that) on the other and some steps in between. You may be right. It's just that when I think of Log pots I think of audio.........1 DB steps for instance........and that has nothing to do with positioning a light source. Most step motors are linear by nature. As to the one ohm resistor shown.......... If it takes 120 ohms to make a real difference.......then I have to believe that the 1 ohm is a straight wire, or 0 ohms. ! ohm resistors just add to cost and in this case I don't see it doing anything. I know that I wouldn't put a 1 ohm resistor in there unless I was using it as a fuse.......and that is generally a very bad idea as resistors tend to smoke and sometimes flame when overloaded...... Bottom line, I remove my objection, you may be right, I just don't know the exact electrical characteristics of Log Pots. I just know the audio results......... Homer __________________ 2001 Jaguar XJ8 Cruiser 2004 ThunderBird 2 passenger Runabout HAD The GOLD RUSH until Nov 6 2009 2003 Gold SLFWD with Premium, Sunroof, Latte Leather, Ultrashield Invisible Bra, Sunroof wind deflector, Aluminum Tank Guard, Chrome Wheels by Ion Alloy, Michelin 235/65-18 Cross Terrains, Garmin Nuvi 2008 Cadillac Gold Mist DTS LUX III - Gone! 2010 Mercedes Benz GLK 350 - Gone! "Didja ever notice that quiet people are not the only ones who don't say much?"

06-26-2005, 07:37 PM	#36 (permalink)
hfelknor Super Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southwest Florida Posts: 3,281	MO in TO, I think you are right. I have the OEM HIDS and after the original adjustment, I have never adjusted the lights again. I suppose if I occasionally towed a boat........... Homer __________________ 2001 Jaguar XJ8 Cruiser 2004 ThunderBird 2 passenger Runabout HAD The GOLD RUSH until Nov 6 2009 2003 Gold SLFWD with Premium, Sunroof, Latte Leather, Ultrashield Invisible Bra, Sunroof wind deflector, Aluminum Tank Guard, Chrome Wheels by Ion Alloy, Michelin 235/65-18 Cross Terrains, Garmin Nuvi 2008 Cadillac Gold Mist DTS LUX III - Gone! 2010 Mercedes Benz GLK 350 - Gone! "Didja ever notice that quiet people are not the only ones who don't say much?"

07-20-2005, 04:23 PM	#37 (permalink)
zebelkhan Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 6,041	I have a co-worker who has a 2003 SE. She is getting tired of little things that are happening to her MO (a few weeks ago her alternator failed and now she has the gas cap lock problem) so she is thinking about trading it in for a Ford..... I am trying to convince her to let me swap the headlights with mine before trading it in. I know I will have no issues with installing the HIDs on mine, but will the Halogoen ones work on hers? - Does anyone know? __________________ 2004 SL AWD - Super Black - Leather Package (Café latte) - Tow Package - Floor Mats - Splash Guards - Cargo Area Protector - Rear Bumper Protector - Front Window Tint - Dawn Color Matched Body Side Molding – Day Time Running Lights - PAC-NIS1 Aux Audio input - Pressure Pro TPMS and Anti Theft Sensor Locks - 7" Xenarc VGA Touchscreen - Compaq EVO e-PC 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 Carputer with 120GB HD, DSATX PSU / Shutdown Controller, Road Runner Front End, iGuidance 3.0 Navigation, DVD player, Internet access, XM satellite radio, Deluo GPS receiver, Linksys WiFi Antenna, TERK XM antenna - Tweeter 22uF CAP mod - Magnetbra - Custom Backup Camera - Aries Polished Stainless Steel Sidestep (nerf) Bars - Euro-Tech Nudge Bar - Homemade Lower Grill Cover - Auxiliary Projection Fog Lamps - Aluminum Fuel Tank Shields - Wade Window Deflectors - Nissan Sunroof Deflector - Scosche UBRH Bluetooth Hands-Free Car Kit

07-20-2005, 11:01 PM	#42 (permalink)
ekaxel Super Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,164	I am sure a circuit with a couple of relays coul be developed. Both cars would have to be modofied unless the IPDMs were switched at the same time. __________________ '03 SL everything but OEM Nav Magellan Roadmate 1700 7" in dash Valentine One Black grille DrawTite 2" hitch & homemade harness Excalibur 1620 alarm Magnetbra Full spare tire Roof rails with crossbars Aluminum fuel tank shield Optima Red Top battery HID fogs/DRL 3 new door lock assemblies 235/65R17 Dean Wintercat snows Backup camera Parking sensor (IR) system GROM IPOD/USB/AUX audio interface with Bluetooth New CVT 1/12

07-21-2005, 01:38 AM	#43 (permalink)
zebelkhan Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 6,041	Thanks for the inputs. I was hoping for no modification to her car because I am not sure if she would go for anything other than a streight swap. Oh well, I guess I could ask... __________________ 2004 SL AWD - Super Black - Leather Package (Café latte) - Tow Package - Floor Mats - Splash Guards - Cargo Area Protector - Rear Bumper Protector - Front Window Tint - Dawn Color Matched Body Side Molding – Day Time Running Lights - PAC-NIS1 Aux Audio input - Pressure Pro TPMS and Anti Theft Sensor Locks - 7" Xenarc VGA Touchscreen - Compaq EVO e-PC 2.0 GHz Pentium 4 Carputer with 120GB HD, DSATX PSU / Shutdown Controller, Road Runner Front End, iGuidance 3.0 Navigation, DVD player, Internet access, XM satellite radio, Deluo GPS receiver, Linksys WiFi Antenna, TERK XM antenna - Tweeter 22uF CAP mod - Magnetbra - Custom Backup Camera - Aries Polished Stainless Steel Sidestep (nerf) Bars - Euro-Tech Nudge Bar - Homemade Lower Grill Cover - Auxiliary Projection Fog Lamps - Aluminum Fuel Tank Shields - Wade Window Deflectors - Nissan Sunroof Deflector - Scosche UBRH Bluetooth Hands-Free Car Kit

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