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o6murano 08-06-2006 11:18 PM

Service Engine Soon light is on...
 
All of a sudden it went on, lastnight I heard a weird noice like a motor or fan running after I shut the car off, now it says Service Engine Soon, maybe the A/C fan? Please help, I'm gonna go to the dealer tomorrow or Tuesday.

njjoe 08-06-2006 11:52 PM

o6murano-

Are you sure it is a new noise? Or are you just more aware of the vehicle noises because the SES came on? (I have definitely experienced the latter.) The reason I ask is because there are several threads that reference the same type of noise, and in most cases it turned out to be the motorized engine mount unique to the VQ. The noise may be unrelated to the SES.

Let us know what you find out from the dealer.

-njjoe

Tyler_Canada 08-07-2006 09:05 AM

The A/C fan won't trigger a SES light. The only things that will trigger that are emissions equipment (catalytic converter, etc), engine and CVT. Since the CVT light isn't lit, it must be one of the first two.

Eric L. 08-09-2006 04:22 PM

Let us know what the dealership finds out. Make sure you have a tech listen to the noise with you present, to confirm that they are aware about the problem (in case its not related to the SES light).

Stephan625 08-14-2006 07:20 AM

I will be curious to see what it is as well. Since mine just cam on this past Saturday. This is the second time for me, although I can't remember what the problem was the first time.

The odd thing is my in-laws have a Murano, same year as mine (2005) and they have had their check engine (service engine soon) light come on twice as well, with in a couple weeks of mine.

makes me wonder...

Stephan625 08-15-2006 12:28 PM

Well just brought mine in today and the service department called me and told me it was for the samne thing that happened back at my 13K mile problem.

They have to replace the throttle body once again. He told me Nissan has changed the design again and he has seen quite a few come in with the same problem.

njjoe 08-15-2006 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephan625
He told me Nissan has changed the design again and he has seen quite a few come in with the same problem.
Ohh-ohh. They changed the design? Makes you wonder what was wrong with the previous version.

-njjoe

zebelkhan 08-15-2006 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stephan625
I will be curious to see what it is as well. Since mine just cam on this past Saturday. This is the second time for me, although I can't remember what the problem was the first time.

The odd thing is my in-laws have a Murano, same year as mine (2005) and they have had their check engine (service engine soon) light come on twice as well, with in a couple weeks of mine.

makes me wonder...

Did by any chance your light come on after a long drive or on a hot day? The only time my SES light came on was after a 8 hour drive in a 100+ weather driving in Las Vegas. I think I had 25K miles then and they changes the throttle body. No lights since. I now have 53K miles but have not had as long of a drive yet.

Stephan625 08-15-2006 02:02 PM

njjoe - Not sure what was wrong with the previous design, or the origianl for that matter.

zebelkhan - it was really nice here (Connecticut) for a change it was brutal a week or so ago, but when it came on it was 75 and no humidty. First time happened at 13K and now I am at 34K.

bob1 12-11-2006 03:30 PM

I'm interested in this thread, not for my MO but my Altima with the 3.5 engine. Just had a SES light come on at 46000 miles. Just a short trip about 1 mile from the house. No apparent change in performance. Not the gas cap or I should say the cap was not loose. I know, wrong forum but same engine, I'm sniffing around. :confused:
Bob1

Eric L. 12-11-2006 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bob1
I'm interested in this thread, not for my MO but my Altima with the 3.5 engine. Just has a SES light come on at 46000 miles. Just a short trip about 1 mile from the house. No apparent change in performance. Not the gas cap or I should say the cap was not loose. I know, wrong forum but same engine, I'm sniffing around. :confused:
Bob1

Try disconnecting the negative battery cable for half an hour, that should clear the code if its something minor like the gas cap. If it comes back on again, its probably something like an O2 sensor - so get it checked out by the dealer.

bob1 12-11-2006 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eric L.


Try disconnecting the negative battery cable for half an hour, that should clear the code if its something minor like the gas cap. If it comes back on again, its probably something like an O2 sensor - so get it checked out by the dealer.

Thanks Eric, that's what I've been sniffing for. My son had me disconnect the positive wire for 10 minutes but that did nothing. The light came right back. Tonight I'll try the negative for 30 minutes.
Thanks
Bob1

njjoe 12-11-2006 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bob1


Thanks Eric, that's what I've been sniffing for. My son had me disconnect the positive wire for 10 minutes but that did nothing. The light came right back. Tonight I'll try the negative for 30 minutes.
Thanks
Bob1

Bob-

Don't bother disconnecting the negative cable. You already powered-down the circuitry when you took your son's advice and disconnected the positive cable. Disconnecting the other cable will have no additional effect.

-njjoe

Tyler_Canada 12-11-2006 04:21 PM

Disconnecting the cables will have no effect on our Murano's. The data is stored in flash, which is not erased when power is removed.

To clear it you need to follow the directions in my post about reading error codes, or use a scan tool to clear it. Get the error codes before you clear them!

Eric L. 12-11-2006 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Canada
Disconnecting the cables will have no effect on our Murano's. The data is stored in flash, which is not erased when power is removed.

To clear it you need to follow the directions in my post about reading error codes, or use a scan tool to clear it. Get the error codes before you clear them!

It actually depends how severe the code is. If its something like a misfire, yes the code will be stored to flash. But minor faults generally do not get stored to flash until multiple trips. I've never had the SES come on in the MO, but had it happen a few times in the Maxima - even with something like an O2 sensor, disconnecting the neg cable will turn off the light, and the two trip detection logic will turn it on again if it still detects the fault.

bob1 12-11-2006 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by njjoe

Bob-

Don't bother disconnecting the negative cable. You already powered-down the circuitry when you took your son's advice and disconnected the positive cable. Disconnecting the other cable will have no additional effect.

-njjoe

Whoops, too late, disconnected negative for 1/2 hour and all I managed to do is screw up my radio presets.:jester:

Looks like plan B will have to be performed.:rolleyes:

Thanks for everyone's input. I don't participate in other forums. They are too busy flaming people that have problems. This forum is so civil!
When I get an answer, I'll post. I know it's a different car but the same engine should produce the same errors and problems. My son wants me to wait till he visits so we can go to Auto Zone or Advanced Auto Parts as they have a free-bee error code machine. Since I have the MO and Altima and I work at home, I'm not stressed. I'll post when I get some news. Just to pass along what I know, if you have a bad computer or catalytic converter, you are covered by Nissan till the 80,000 mile marker. I probably won't be that lucky.
Bob1

bob1 12-14-2006 01:21 PM

Update and if anyone reading this, if you did not read the beginning, this is about my Altima but having the same 3.5 engine, I thought I'd share since it is engine related.
Well, not good news, Nissan was the Grinch this year that emptied my wallet. The verdict was a double whammy of a bad cam shaft sensor as well as a bad solenoid valve assembly. The parts alone were something like 125 and 185 and a 10.00 gasket of some kind. Add the outrageous dealer labor and rip off shop fee's, and it came out to 572.00. It is the first problem encountered with the Altima or the 3.5 engine. After 4 years of ownership I won't complain too much as this is the first non scheduled maintenance money spent on the car.
Bob1 :rolleyes:

Kris 12-15-2006 11:30 PM

Bob,
how many miles? Still not that bad after 4 years...

bob1 12-16-2006 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kris
Bob,
how many miles? Still not that bad after 4 years...

Kris about 46K. I agree not bad as I have never had to spend a dime other than routine stuff like oil. I'm still on the original brakes and tires. Truthfully the car has performed above expectations. Just disappointed that stuff like this went on the 3.5 engine at such low miles. My guess is the code thrown out was either part and not to get caught with me jumping up and down if they replaced the wrong part and the light comes back on, they did both. I have no proof, just a guess but I can't imagine having a double failure. Of course the one part may have been bad but not a trigger for the SES light. I just can't figure that out.
Bob1

Kris 12-16-2006 08:23 AM

Yes, I agree with you. It is very sad as we cannot trust the dealer.

46k miles is not that much. My understanding is that the VQ engines last 200k miles easily if taken care of properly. I have 67k on Murano and 44k on the FX. So far the FX was flowless and my wife intend to keep it for a long time.

tmnjmurano 12-16-2006 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bob1
Update and if anyone reading this, if you did not read the beginning, this is about my Altima but having the same 3.5 engine, I thought I'd share since it is engine related.
Well, not good news, Nissan was the Grinch this year that emptied my wallet. The verdict was a double whammy of a bad cam shaft sensor as well as a bad solenoid valve assembly. The parts alone were something like 125 and 185 and a 10.00 gasket of some kind. Add the outrageous dealer labor and rip off shop fee's, and it came out to 572.00. It is the first problem encountered with the Altima or the 3.5 engine. After 4 years of ownership I won't complain too much as this is the first non scheduled maintenance money spent on the car.
Bob1 :rolleyes:

Bob1- Not sure if you know but there was a huge recall on the crank and camshaft position sensor awhile back. Affected 630,000 nissans worldwide- Check out the recalls on the 2002 V6 Altima.

bob1 12-16-2006 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tmnjmurano


Bob1- Not sure if you know but there was a huge recall on the crank and camshaft position sensor awhile back. Affected 630,000 nissans worldwide- Check out the recalls on the 2002 V6 Altima.

I remember something but don't think I was in the group. I never had a notice for that either. I'll go to work and scope it out. If I'm in that group, I'll buy you a cold one!
Bob1

njjoe 12-16-2006 10:40 AM

bob1-

The recall affected the following 2002 Altimas:

1N4AL11**2C100030 - 718759
1N4BL11**2C100029 - 718752

The recall is NHTSA# 03V-345

The voluntary recall instructs the dealer to replace the Crankshaft Position Sensor, Camshaft Position Sensor(s), and Variable Timing Control Sensor(s).

2002 Altima Crankshaft Position Sensor Recall

Hopefully this applies to your car and the Grinch will have to return your $572 back to Whoville.

-njjoe

bob1 12-16-2006 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by njjoe
bob1-

Hopefully this applies to your car and the Grinch will have to return your $572 back to Whoville.

-njjoe

Joe, as you were sending this, I called Nissan, they ran my VIN and said I was not affected as it was the 2.5 engine recall. Hmmmm. I'm taking your list to my car and do a double check. How coincidental that the same part was recalled 2.5 and my 3.5 part failed. I was not one of the "chosen ones." on their list:3:
Thanks for the effort, I'm going to check that Vin for myself.
Bob1
Darn, 1N4BL 11D42C 280083
My Vin did not make it Joe but I'm glad I checked.
Thanks

njjoe 12-16-2006 10:52 AM

Bob1-

According to the recall information published by Nissan it affected both the QR25DE and VQ35DE engines in the Altima.

Nissan may be right in saying your VIN number was not included in the recall, but they were wrong in claiming the VQ engine was not involved.

-njjoe

Kris 12-16-2006 11:24 AM

Damn Joe, you scared me! 03 Murano is on the list! Fortunately my is not affected. :)

But other 03 owners should check it out!

njjoe 12-16-2006 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bob1
Darn, 1N4BL 11D42C 280083
My Vin did not make it Joe but I'm glad I checked.
Thanks

bob1-

Wait a minute. Am I missing something?

The recall affects VIN#s 1N4BL11**2C100029 through 1N4BL11**2C718752.

The affected range is 100029 - 718752. Your number segment is 280083. It looks to me like it is included.

Am I reading it wrong?

-njjoe

Kris 12-16-2006 11:51 AM

Joe,
I am reading it the same way you do.

Bob,
I believe you still have a chance

bob1 12-16-2006 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by njjoe

bob1-

Wait a minute. Am I missing something?

The recall affects VIN#s 1N4BL11**2C100029 through 1N4BL11**2C718752.

The affected range is 100029 - 718752. Your number segment is 280083. It looks to me like it is included.

Am I reading it wrong?

-njjoe

I think you may be right! I read it wrong. Stay tuned and thanks Joe.
I'm trying to do this and work at the same time. Not getting much done. I work till 5PM so I may have to wait till Monday. I'll keep you updated.
Bob

tmnjmurano 12-16-2006 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bob1


Joe, as you were sending this, I called Nissan, they ran my VIN and said I was not affected as it was the 2.5 engine recall. Hmmmm. I'm taking your list to my car and do a double check. How coincidental that the same part was recalled 2.5 and my 3.5 part failed. I was not one of the "chosen ones." on their list:3:
Thanks for the effort, I'm going to check that Vin for myself.
Bob1
Darn, 1N4BL 11D42C 280083
My Vin did not make it Joe but I'm glad I checked.
Thanks

Actually I think that recall was mainly the VQ engine-it effected every Nissan/Infiniti model that uses the v6. Damn Nissan.

hfelknor 12-16-2006 12:41 PM

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No, it was all engines.

Homer

njjoe 12-16-2006 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tmnjmurano


Actually I think that recall was mainly the VQ engine-it effected every Nissan/Infiniti model that uses the v6. Damn Nissan.

tmnjmurano -

The recall affected three engines - Our beloved VQ (Altima, Murano, Maxima, & Z), the QR25DE (Sentra & Altima), and the GQ18DE (Sentra).

-njjoe

tmnjmurano 12-16-2006 01:18 PM

Except for the Sentra and 2.5 Altimas, all of the models involved use the VQ- Altima,Maxima,Murano,350Z, Infiniti G35,FX35,I35.

bob1 12-16-2006 01:24 PM

I think I'll print this out and go to the dealer and ask what gives?
You guys are like detectives. I love this forum!
Bob1:)

njjoe 12-16-2006 01:34 PM

bob1-

Let us know how it works out. I am curious to see how the dealer is going to try to weasel out of this one.

-njjoe

bob1 12-16-2006 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by njjoe
bob1-

Let us know how it works out. I am curious to see how the dealer is going to try to weasel out of this one.

-njjoe

I'll be sure to do so, I may try to get there Monday but a heavy work day for me. Tuesday may work out as I only have 4 hours on the schedule that day. I'll post as soon as I find out.
Bob1

Kris 12-16-2006 01:45 PM

Good luck Bob,
do not let them get off the hook easily...

tmnjmurano 12-17-2006 09:18 AM

Bob- I'd say you're are going to get a refund either from the dealer or directly from Nissan - If your vin is in the group and it looks like it is, then they dropped the ball a couple of times-

1. they never notified you about a serious SAFETY related recall
2. the dealer never checked for outstanding recalls on your car

Go get em- I'm looking forward to that cold one being shipped to NJ via fedex.

Tony

bob1 12-17-2006 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tmnjmurano
Bob- I'd say you're are going to get a refund either from the dealer or directly from Nissan - If your vin is in the group and it looks like it is, then they dropped the ball a couple of times-

1. they never notified you about a serious SAFETY related recall
2. the dealer never checked for outstanding recalls on your car

Go get em- I'm looking forward to that cold one being shipped to NJ via fedex.

Tony

Thanks Tony, I'm just wondering about the VIN. I see how my last set of numbers fall into the sequence. I'm wondering about the front half where the numbering IN4 B11**2C is present on the recall and mine has the following.......IN4 B11 D4.
Here it is side by side.

VIN#s 1N4BL11**2C 100029 through N4BL11**2C 718752.
Mine 1N4BL11 D42C 280083
So do think that D42C has any meaning as far as the recall? Obviously the 280083 at the end fits the need and falls into place.
I'm just trying to line up my ducks in-case they try to weasel and say I'm not included. Any thoughts on that sequence from anyone?
Thanks
Bob1

tmnjmurano 12-17-2006 10:24 AM

The d4 component of the vin is-

d=airbag/seatbelt configuration
4=check digit (used in an algorythm to check the accuracy of the other digits)

Looks like you're ok.


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