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#1 Old 09-20-2007, 08:21 AM
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New problem: non-start preceded by clicking noise

This one's got me a bit stumped. Went out to the car this morning (hadn't been started in a couple of days) and it wouldn't turn over. No dry click noise like you would hear with a weak battery - just nothing. Tried to jump start it. Nothing. Some electricity was getting through the jumper cables, but clearly not enough to get the starter going. Battery is definitely dead. The day before, as I was in the garage, I heard a rapid clicking noise. It was coming from the Murano. No keys in the ignition, no one trying to start it, just parked. I went to get my key in the house to try to start it, came back and the noise had stopped. So I didn't bother. Didn't think anything of it. Now today, nada.

So it appears that something drained the battery. What could have caused that? The battery is a new (less than one year old AutoCraft Titanium with 640CCA and three year full replacement warranty), so I doubt its a battery issue. The alternator was replaced about a year and a half ago under the warranty. My thought is that perhaps the alternator was the clicking noise I heard when the car was parked?

Any help or ideas appreciated. I'm out of warranty so I'd like to try to diagnose and fix myself if at all possible!
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Starter?

I replaced the starter on my Maxima about a week before I traded on my MO. Got in one afternoon, and it did nothing. I don't think I even got a click out of it. A jump start did nothing either.

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It was rapidly clicking with the engine off?
That's creepy. I would imagine that it stopped clicking when the battery got too low to support the click.

The alternator won't turn with the engine off. Although, doesn't the manual mention that a cooling fan could turn on at any time?

Or maybe the computer flipped out and started triggering a service: door lock/unlock, etc.?

Beats me.

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The alternator would not be making the clicking sound. My guess is that the noise you heard was a relay.

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Thank for the theories. NJJoe - interesting about the relay. Could a weak battery cause the relay clicking?

I also happened to notice that today was the day Goss' Garage chat was on the Washington Post website. Sent him my question and he replied that despite being new, the battery could have given up the ghost or it could have been loose wiring. I'm going to pull it later tonight and run it over to Advance Auto. If it did wear out, then at least its covered by the full replacement three year warranty. I don't think it was loose wiring as the cables are on nice and tight when I hooked up the charger before catching a ride with the wife to work.
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Thank for the theories. NJJoe - interesting about the relay. Could a weak battery cause the relay clicking?
Well the other day I got out of the MO and accidentally turned on my parking
lights and did not notice them. So before I went to head to bed that
night I went out to make sure the garage doors were closed, and a my
parking light were on (barely) and there was a constant clicking sound.
Put a VOM on the battery and there
was about 5.9v. Oppps... I tried
to turn off the lights, switch did nothing. So I slapped the charger on the battery
in trickle mode (2a) and the clicking went away. What was a little weird, I
tried putting the ground on the ground strap on the engine and the battery
would not charge (see circle in image), I ended up having to put the charger
directly to the battery. Which I know is not advised because of the potential of
battery explosion. That was why I put it on trickle charge.

To the point, I think Joe is right, absolutely it's a relay. What was weird
was the lights were (to use a term loosely) "Drive by wire". The switch
seemed to have no control of the headlight relay
until the MO's CPU was powered up...
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wa4qfy - that's just what I needed to know: thanks!! After hearing from the experts here, Pat Goss, and talking to a buddy of mine that's a gearhead, it sounds more and more like a dead/defective battery. Not a big deal as I still have my receipt and the warranty on the battery is 3 years total replacement. Knock on wood that this solves the problem.

I'll post updates when I replace the battery. I suspect that it will take all night to recharge on the trickle charger its sitting on now.
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wa4qfy brings up a good point. Did you leave something on in your MO? Aftermarket amp? Parking lights? Reading lamps?

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Nope - nothing left on. All stuff off as usual. Based on my wife's advice, however, I did do a thorough check, including checking battery water levels. Even though the battery was just installed this spring, and taken to the local "Quickie Lube" at least twice since then, the water levels were low. Not enough to expose the tops of the plates, but definitely low! I added distilled water and charged up the battery overnight. This morning, the Murano cranked right up and idled with no problems. I was expecting to at least have the idle set problem after the car sat for at least 24 hours with a depleted battery before I discovered the problem. For now all is well and I've learned to double check fluid levels behind the "Quickie Lube" places!
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Jim-

I think you need to look elsewhere for the source of your problem. As long as the plates were covered you can rule out low electrolyte level.

Three possible sources are:
1) bad battery
2) bad alternator
3) power drain (lights, fan, etc.)

Or it could just be a freak, isolated occurrence (gremlins?),

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I have a John Deere riding lawnmower that is less than a year old. The other day, it would not start. I checked for voltage and it showed 12+ volts.

For some reason, I suspected a bad battery. I took it to a Batteries Plus store and it showed "Defective". Replaced it with a gel cell and it started right up. Batteries can be 'funky'.


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Update . . .

Okay - a full week later and the Murano seems to be fine. Battery back up to full on distilled acid/water; radio presets redone and no further signs of trouble. Best I can figure, the water level in the battery was low enough to weaken it and cause a relay to start cycling. This appears to have killed the battery the rest of the way. Topping off with distilled water and a recharge seems to have cured the problem for now. Fortunately, the level never got low enough to dip below the plates and start sulfation.

I haven't had the battery load tested, but since it has a full replacement 3 year warranty, I'll not bother for now. Thanks to all for the great words of wisdom. Here's hoping for more trouble-free miles ahead for everyone!
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Well the other day I got out of the MO and accidentally turned on my parking lights and did not notice them. So before I went to head to bed that night I went out to make sure the garage doors were closed, and a my parking light were on (barely) and there was a constant clicking sound....


Why didn't the battery saver turn off your lights?

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Why didn't the battery saver turn off your lights?
Good question, no idea. Maybe because it was parking lights not headlights?

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