| keram |
| I assume that most of you are MO owners. Would you buy MO again or look for something else? I'm looking at either MO and Pilot but this thread makes me uncertain especially since I'm trying to get rid of low quality vehicle. I do like the look/performance of MO but after seeing these long lists of 'to be fixed' or 'desirable features' is a concern. I did not see such a volume of complaints on hondapilot.org |
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| rtking |
There's nothing wrong with the Honda Pilot. It's a nice vehicle and has Honda reliability behind it.
Personally, I picked the MO over the Honda Pilot because I felt that the MO had a more spacious back seat and was more entertaining to drive. I realize the MO doesn't have a 3rd row seat... but I saw that as an effective solution: Compromise 2nd and 3rd row seating knee room, or simply offer a 2nd row seat only with plenty of knee room. I rarely carry more than 4 people, so the MO won in the "space utilization" category. As for performance... that's completely subjective and up to the individual. But I felt that the MO was more sporty, actually enjoyed being tossed into turns and provided good feedback. The Honda Pilot understeers more readily, leans more and "floats" over the surface of the road. (It has a smoother ride, but I get less feedback.)
Of course, opinions vary, so pick what makes you happy. For me, I would definitely buy another MO.
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| dklanecky1 |
I test drove a Pilot and actually put a deposit down on one with a local dealer. I thought it was a descent transportation applicance (just like most Hondas) but it was really going to be the wife's vehicle. It inspired absolutely no feelings of enjoyment while driving at all.
Luckily for me, the dealer was 6-8 weeks out for delivery and so we were waiting. ?T/hen the Murano comes out and I see one at my local Nissan dealer while getting my 00 Maxima oil change done. Test drove it and now I had a big problem. I loved it and already had the deposit down for the Pilot for the wife, which she liked.
After a lot of work, I managed to talk the wife into the Murano (at about $3k more for the NAV version) and talk the Honda dealer into giving me the deposit back and voiding the contract.
Have you driven both vehicles yets?
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| quikkik |
| would i buy my MO again? oh def. before i bought the murano, i was looking into the PILOT,ENDEAVOR and HIGHLANDER. great cars, and got high marks. in fact when i first saw the MO i decided that i didn't like it. then for the heck of it, i went and sat inside of the car, and that instantly changed my mind. the pilot looked like an overgrown rav4, the highlander looked ok, and the endeavor....well i didn't hear good things about mitsubishi cars. the gas mileage was another seller for me, unfortunately i haven't seen any of that 20mpg city, but other than that its great. i've had my shares of problems, but they were small nothing big. go with the Murano, you won't regret it. this forum is such a great place to find out stuff anyways, that even if you do run into some snags, you'll be quick to find a solution. trust me...all cars have little "problems". |
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| keram |
| if I get it and it keeps going into service frequently I'll get kicked out of the house. |
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| quikkik |
no worries. go for a test drive. first thing. when not moving, or moving slowly turn the steering wheel all the way to the left and then to the right. if you hear a big 'THUMP' then the steering bolt is loose. have em fix it there. when you're driving just make sure the steering wheel is straight. if not have em fix it.
i suggest you look at all the problems on the forums and make a list and make sure you don't run in to the same problems. :1: |
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| keram |
quote:
Originally posted by quikkik
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i suggest you look at all the problems on the forums and make a list and make sure you don't run in to the same problems. :1:
these seem to be a long list of stuff to be fixed. Just test drove Pilot and as ugly as it is it has not bad ride. |
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| Kris |
I do not believe that the problem list is long............yes, some people complained about window rattle and few more minor things though I do not believe we are talking about serious problems here.
You better check the Honda/Acura forum and check why so many transmissions failed..........
To answer your question - I would buy MO again. Maybe with slightly different options but so far I am really happy. I am always truly amazed after coming back from frequent business trips and getting back to my MO! All the rentals - Pontiacs, Buicks etc...........forget it |
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| bob1 |
I agree with Kris, look around at other sites Lexus, Honda, Toyota. Your not going to have a mass production of ANY veichle without seeing a list of gripes. I'm sure the Pilot is a fine SUV but market research said Nissan was capturing the WOW factor with the Murano. I got to say I'm someone that was totally taken by the looks and drivability of the Murano. Everything else I test drove like the Endeavor and the Highlander were kinda of a yawn. I was actually on the way to pick up an Endeavor and I turned the car around and went back to Nissan.
My list, rattles-none. Mechanicals-none. Problems, none, zippo, nada.
My biggest gripe is not being able to lift the windshield wiper arms up when washing the car. Now I can live with that.
Would I buy another, yes without hesitation. I think the more senior members on this list are more qualified to answer so I hope they jump in. |
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| UncaDanno |
In a heartbeat. No regrets.
It seems to me that many of the perceived problems are just that: perceived (not actual).
The pillar rattles are real. But just a nuisance. I have a theory, based on previous experience, what is causing them, but seems like everybody wants to rediscover America for themselves. So be it.
The loose steering bolt, while rare, should be taken care of tutte suite.
I haven't experienced the power steering problem, and I'm one of the last surviving parallel parkers! As for it happening when you're NOT going extremely slow, I doubt that I would try turning the wheel lock-to-lock suddenly a couple of times at speed unless I was intentionally trying to roll the MO. Ain't gonna happen.
As for the cacophany of whines about "I can't believe I paid over 30 grand and the MO doesn't have (enter feature here)", I can only wonder "I can't believe anyone with a modicum of common sense would lay out over 30 grand for ANYTHING without finding out beforehand what they were getting." [/rant]
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by UncaDanno
"I can't believe anyone with a modicum of common sense would lay out over 30 grand for ANYTHING without finding out beforehand what they were getting." [/rant]
Just do your homework.....
You said the magic word!..................
It is very annoying when people are complaining that Murano doesn't have these and that................so, why did you buy this in the first place? |
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| keram |
I still don't get it. There's lots of people with basic problems
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I have had my 04 Murano for 3 months...Rattles, Rattles and more Rattles...going to the dealer for the 7th time Friday. If it is not resolved then I will be contacting my attorney to get the paper work started on a lemon.....I love the MO, but can't stand all the noises....
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Notable rattles appear to be... the infamous window rattle (present on the wide majority of Muranos), the A pillar rattle, and the B pillar (seatbelt tensioner) rattle.
• There are a few solutions for the window rattle, including TSBs and our own "home brew" solution involving a shim in the door trim.
• The A pillar rattle seems to come from the cover being loose.
• The B pillar rattle is another box of nuts altogether
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my 2001 Escape did not have any rattles (although had other problems) |
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| bob1 |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by keram
[B]I still don't get it. There's lots of people with basic problems
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Not to start a pissing war with people WITH problems but there are
plenty of people WITHOUT problems.
Now as far as this thread is concerned it looks like everyone that responed to your question has said YES they would do it again.
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| MVTCFP |
First off, I would buy another MO in a second. It is the "funnest" car to drive. It handles great, goes fast and the AWD is making this winter from hell alot more tolerable. Us MO owners measure our triumphs in SPG's (Smiles Per Gallon) That said, it sounds to me like your talking yourself into the Pilot. Life's short my friend, there ain't no perfect anything. If you buy a MO, and it's not perfect, you'll be kicking yourself. Get the Pilot and don't look back. Analyze life too much and you miss bunches. There's a thread here somewhere comparing the MO to the Pilot. There's also a Pilot newsgroup you can get to from here... If you think the Pilot's problem free, I think you outta browse check that group out. Compare, analyze, consider, shop, and when ya do decideAs I said, nothings perfect. Sometimes ya gotta let the right side of the brain have a say. Good luck.
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| keram |
| your enthusiasm and looks/drives of MO still have me in the process of deciding. thanks for all replies |
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| esemes |
i bought my MO in sept. 2003
i traded it in nov 2003
i would not buy another one again, prolly ever......
i DO love the looks, accents, trimmings, style, performance (well, its a little less than i wanted, but still a blast!!), but i have had problems with mine of which i was not comfortable making monthly payment after monthly payment on, for years...
i guess it is all dependant on how one looks at a car, and , one person's car problems are/could be anothers carefree motoring....
i just have a DIFFERENT (not higher or lower, JUST different) expectation of what i wanted from MY MO.... it fell short, and the two dealers i went to amplified my disgust...
to prove that i DO like the MO package, i tested the 04, loaded, and still found a tick in the window... that's where i stopped my search and gave up.... (would've traded the 03 sl-awd for an 04 se-awd loaded with nav, had it been corrected for the tick..)
i was NOT impressed with the mo's competition really... well really, it has NO competition to speak of (in that price-range), so i went to the Infiniti dealer, on a whim...
at the INF. dealer, they treated me like royality.... i got more than i owed on the MO, and a killer deal (lower apr% too) on an 03 fx45 w/tech....
while some say they are totally diff. chassis/platforms (yes, they are) they do have a very similar market approach-appeal, and made my smiles-per-gallon return (as the MO originally did, before i let the problems become too overbearing)
i kept my wallet in the nissan market by buying the infiniti, which should go to show that i do like the mo's ....
i just let the problems overwhelm the whole ownership process, which made MY mo no longer desirable. (how i am with some things i guess)
sms
ps- the fx is not without fault, as are all cars, but to claim that one car should be acceptible , simply because others have problems, is not the fairest analysis of the issue (IMO) |
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| keram |
| I'm off to Honda store, will wait 2 - 3 years for Nissan to work out the problems. |
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| esemes |
quote:
Originally posted by keram
I'm off to Honda store, will wait 2 - 3 years for Nissan to work out the problems.
you might want to start the same post as this one on the www.hondapilot.org site (or the like)
i hope my honesty doesnt upset too many here; i really like this forum a lot. (am hoping the fx.org site im on grows to this level as well)
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| Kris |
I prefer MO window tick over Honda/Acura transmission problem..........
esemes,
yes we all have different expectations............i do like the FX quality, however MO has other advantages - CVT with its smoothness and the quietness in city driving, roominess, styling (very subjective!)
One cannot help with bad dealership. But it has nothing to do with the vehicle..... |
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| esemes |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
I prefer MO window tick over Honda/Acura transmission problem..........
esemes,
yes we all have different expectations............i do like the FX quality, however MO has other advantages - CVT with its smoothness and the quietness in city driving, roominess, styling (very subjective!)
One cannot help with bad dealership. But it has nothing to do with the vehicle.....
im not gonna argue with you here... (cept for this)
the dealer backing has alot to do with the car, and, ha they fixed my problems, i would still have the MO....
like i said before, its all a matter of personal exceptance... the car's design build failed mine, then the dealer (two diff ones) failed as well....
i tried to make it work, (even went out and tried to fix it myself, then to two custom shops) and still wish'd it would've.....
my story ends happily though, regardless.... i wish the best for all MO owners.... |
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| keram |
quote:
Originally posted by esemes
you might want to start the same post as this one on the www.hondapilot.org site (or the like)
i hope my honesty doesnt upset too many here; i really like this forum a lot. (am hoping the fx.org site im on grows to this level as well)
SMS
crowd that drives fxs hangs around bars and not the message boards. I wish I could get MO but the risk of being in the shop frequently is too high and considering that once in 3 months I have major repair to my Escape makes Pilot even more obvious choice. In either case I'd get extended warranty but the prospects of driving in rental does not appeal to me.
I don't like Pilot's looks but the ride is not that bad, hey - when I'm inside I don't see the outside.
These forums are great platform to hear real owners and if Nissan were smart they'd monitor them. Same was done in the computer industry with BEA and other vendors. |
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| Kris |
esemes,
no hard feeling...........I respect your decision........it was your choice...........I guess I am one of few only who can either prise or criticize both FX and MO without being accused of being subjective:D
With respect to poor service or workmanship - I will not tolerate either of them.........
keram,
in the end it is you who will drive the car.........so listen to others but make your own mind........and never look back........just enjoy.........:) |
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| esemes |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
esemes,
no hard feeling...........I respect your decision........it was your choice...........I guess I am one of few only who can either prise or criticize both FX and MO without being accused of being subjective:D
With respect to poor service or workmanship - I will not tolerate either of them.........
keram,
in the end it is you who will drive the car.........so listen to others but make your own mind........and never look back........just enjoy.........:)
TY Kris....
its tough to put into words my feelings about this.....
in regars to the topic question, i guess its best put " i wouldnt buy MY MO again..."
now, leseee what happens over the next model year or so, as this newly created segment is gonna get really big, i believe... |
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| XOC |
| I would definitely buy a Murano again -- wish I had gone whole hog for the Nav and the pkg that includes tire moniter -- otherwise I'm not looking back. I don't have rattles (2500 miles). We took a 3 hour test drive in the vehicle we purchased so we knew it didn't rattle. I am also an accomplished parallel parker and have not noticed the steering pump problem -- not saying it doesn't exist, just that I haven't noticed it. I did have the steering rack bolt problem but it was fixed promptly. But I must agree with the previous poster that you are probably too afraid to take the MO plunge, so enjoy your Pilot! But first hang out on their board to make sure that all Pilot owners are totally content:rolleyes: (Hint: I think these boards often have a certain number who are not happy with their purchases and rightly so because they are looking for answers to their problems.) |
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| hfelknor |
I have a love/hate relationship with my Murano.
The things that are wrong with it are for the most part, minor and or "correctable".
But.
But some of the things shouldn't be wrong with it to begin with.
Ever since I sold my last Datsun (78 Z car), I have bought American and been subjected to ridicule by Japanese car owners.
Japanese cars, you see, are perfect.
Why, look at the JD Powers ratings. Look at CR. Hell, check the Auto mags.............Jap cars RULE!
So this time I decide, well, they are probably right, and I buy the sharp looking Murano.
The rattles. The loose steering. The squeals and groans.
What the hell is going on?
This is Quality Control ****.
Where the hell was QC?
What was the deal with sending cars out with loose Steering racks?
Did Fuji have a hangover that day?
Is he just another union goon?
And all the other comments that were leveled at American cars and the workers that assembled them.....
Was this a MONDAY car?
Etc, etc......
Where is the vaunted, Japanese workmanship?
Answer: It doesn't exist.
There are far fewer workmanship problems with the new Quest.
And it is built in Mississippi.
And then the dealers (2 of them now) inability to fix the problems, adds to the lousy impression.
But then I get in the car, and with the steering rack tightened, and without backing up (I don't want to hear that 100DB squeal).
With the "barely adequate" "Premium" stereo (Chrysler Stereos will kick the ass off this stereo. Period.) up at midlevel (So that I don't hear the thumps and Tics).
I drive home and marvel at how well the car drives.
The Power. The Handling. The smoothness of the tranny.
When I get home the lady from down the street wants to know what kinda car it is, because it is so cool............
Look, I am retired.
I made a 98% return on my investments last year.
I could afford to throw the damn thing away and buy a Lexus RX or a BMW X, IF I really wanted to.
And yet, I don't want to, obviously.
I really like the way the car drives, and I really like the way the car looks.
As I said, I just really don't know if (Say it was stolen) I would
Buy a Murano again..........
Sorry I can't be any clearer than that.
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| Kris |
hfelknor
I might have an answer to at least one of your questions - quality. Renault bought Nissan, so what we get now is French:
- input into the design (really great looking cars from Nissan :29: ) and unfortunately
- "input to quality control":3:
no need to say more:( |
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| keram |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
hfelknor
I might have an answer to at least one of your questions - quality. Renault bought Nissan, so what we get now is French:
- input into the design (really great looking cars from Nissan :29: ) and unfortunately
- "input to quality control":3:
no need to say more:(
are they going to morhp MO into leCar? Nail to the coffin!;) |
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| WindsorFox |
| Ticks do not bother me. I'm used to driving loud, harsh rattley muscle cars or base level trucks so I'll just apply a squirt of glue and/or an interior tek screw. Yes, I would buy it again, but more than likely I will hold on to this one until I find a used V8 FX 45 that I can trade for with a minimal capital outlay. |
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| SugarRushMurano |
When i shopped for my MO, i was basically contemplating my self on these questions:
a.
Should i get a sedan or an suv, the new acura tsx or even the TL is top of the list. I can trade in my audi and get TL full option, half the cost of acquiring the Mo in total.
b.
For $30K+, there are other options: the new bmw X3, used acura mdx, lexus rx330, and of course the old fashion pilot or hilander.
For me my priorities in choosing are:
1. looks, i dont want to disapear in the crowds
2. powertrain, it must drives nice and have adequate power to weight ratio.
3. comfortable while driving, i do road trips
4. quality and reliability.
For example, you know german car is high maintenance after warranty. Jap's car (especialy honda or toyota) is top of the list in quality / resale value.
5. Purchase price.
Murano's quality is not A+ rate, but the price is right (as the matter of fact the cheapest of all), looks right, as comfortable as and as strong as the mdx and pilot. |
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| Snowride |
| So far my MO is rock solid and have no issues whatsoever except I find the gas milage to be quite far from the mark. I am new to the MO forums but have been around sled and ATV forums for many years. You have to realise people come here to get advise or complain about something so you need to put it in perspective. As for Honda trannies, take a look at this thread I posted over at the frontier (atv forum) read it right to the end. http://atvfrontier.com/postt2838.html |
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| Kris |
Snowride,
interesting reading.........Coincidently I test drove Acura 3.2 TL S few months before I got MO........I did like the car. However, I read about issues with tranny and it somehwhat put me off slightly............also I needed something bigger........
As to the "problems" with MO - yes I did have the famous window rattles. I fixed it myself.......2 hrs work. It saved me plenty of time given I did not have to deal with dealer:D |
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| Snowride |
| At the time the Acura fit the bill to a tee but times have changed and I wanted/needed the extra space. Overall I am 100% satisfied with my decision and would definatly by another one tommorrow. There was a test of the Murano on one of our local channels on Saturday and one of the well known sports commentators was handed the keys and went for a test drive. This guy is into sports cars and he was just gloating over the Murano after the test. Would'nt surprise me the least if he adds one to his stable. The overall was very impressive but they gave it bad marks for not having a locked 4x4 system. Do these guys really understand that it is not marketed as a offroad, rock climbing, mud slinging vehicule? To be honest with you, I prefer full time front wheel drive and when needed, assit from the rear wheels, just make a lot more sense in my book when it comes to traction for everyday drivers. In fact, this is one of the selling points that interested me. |
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| Kris |
Interesting.............I like you do not understand when people complain about 3rd raw, low ratio tranny etc. MO is not an off road vehicle! I agree totally with you.
FWD/RWD/AWD - it gets very interesting. At least half of the cars I drove were RWD with quite powerful engines. I like them, I like them a lot. But it was different continent and there was now snow whatsoever! Just sunny, tropical open spaces! I was fun to drive cars like that especially on unsealed roads!
Over the weekend I drove both the MO FWD and FX AWD. The MO is really gliding though, when compared to FX you do feel torque steer, especially when accelerating out of a corner. However, nothing to complain about. Both cars handle very well. But please do not call them SUV. They are not and never be! And I like them that way. :D |
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| thecanuck |
Handsdown -- yes.
Have I had some "minor" issues? Sure. I've never had a single vehicle WITHOUT some minor issue or another. For me, though, the crux of the matter is the nature of the issue(s) and the attitude of my dealer to rectify them. So far, for me, the issues have been minor and the dealer's attitude has been excellent.
I have no doubt the (insert vehicle model here, such as Pilot, Highlander, Aztec :D , whatever) is a fine vehicle for what it was designed. Given what I was looking for, the MO fit the bill perfectly.
Sorry. Can't keep the straight face anymore. Remove the Aztec from the list. And all other lists, for that matter:2: |
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| jeffk |
We just bought our MO this weekend, so I guess it's a bit early to say whether we'd do it again. :) That said I did go into the purchase aware of some of the little complaints re: things like rattles and stuff, but to me that's relatively minor, and reading the forums here it looks like these issues are for the most part solvable. My G35 has some of the same issues, but that doesn't change it from being a great car that offers more performance and value than other cars in its class, which is exactly what swayed me towards the Murano.
Frankly, the idea that full-time AWD and 3rd row seating are such a big deal is totally off to me. Not everybody needs to haul 6 kids through the mountains. :) I actually like the fact that there's no 3rd row seat, unless you're buying an Excursion or Suburban, 3rd row seating really just means less room for people sitting in the 2nd row.
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The MO is really gliding though, when compared to FX you do feel torque steer, especially when accelerating out of a corner.
Sorry, but I think you're confused about what exactly torque steer is, because RWD drive vehicles don't have it. Even in AWD form the FX drives like a RWD until there's slippage, then power can be routed to the front. In other words it's exactly the opposite of the Murano, which is FWD until slippage occurs. |
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| hfelknor |
"quote:
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Sorry, but I think you're confused about what exactly torque steer is, because RWD drive vehicles don't have it. Even in AWD form the FX drives like a RWD until there's slippage, then power can be routed to the front. In other words it's exactly the opposite of the Murano, which is FWD until slippage occurs."
I think it is you who does not get it.
The original statement is exactly correct.
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| murano123 |
| When I bought Murano, it was the best car. On the other hand given a second chance, I would wait for the 280 HP Lexus RX300 Hybrid with estimated 30 Miles/Gallon. |
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| XOC |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by murano123
When I bought Murano, it was the best car. On the other hand given a second chance, I would wait for the 280 HP Lexus RX300 Hybrid with estimated 30 Miles/Gallon. [/QUOTE
How long would we have had to wait??? |
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| XOC |
| I like this site, but I am glad I didn't find it until AFTER I bought my MO because I don't know if I would have had the nerve to go through with the purchase after reading some of the issues posted here. |
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| GMTURBO43 |
A few things...
Older front-wheel-drive vehicles used to use unequal length shafts, which led to a driving characteristic known as torque steer-pulling to one side while accelerating. Today, most cars have equal length shafts on both sides, which neutralizes the effects of torque steer.
You will not feel torque steer in a RWD car/truck. You could feel oversteer or understeer - oversteer is when the back comes around in a hard corner. Understeer is when the front pushes. All cars will display one or the other.
Now - back to the topic...
I would not buy another Murano. I love everything about it. I've had great service at both dealerships I've had to deal with. The rattles don't bother me. The Bose stereo is fine for the average person. I've had issues fixed at the dealership without question. I had the loose nut behind the wheel. I had the poor FM reception. I have no desire for satelite radio. I like the looks. I like the perfomance. I like the handling. I have NO complaints.
So you ask, why wouldn't I buy another Murano? Change. For me I'd rather have a car. I can get the Infiniti G35 in AWD. I think they make the Lexus IS300 AWD. 2 of my favorite cars with the same capabilities as the Murano - with the exception of carrying a bunch of crap in the back - which rarely happens. Incidentally, I had 3 4x8 sheets of 3/4" plywood in the back of the Murano. The rear door didn't close - but it does fit. |
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| WindsorFox |
| Whoever wrote that little snippet about torque, never drove a Murano. So, how about that new Dodge Magnum. Ya know, it's gotta hemi... :D |
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| pbeinetti |
| Probably not! I'm disappointed on a number of things that would have made me look elseware. I still cannot get comfortable in the seat. The rattles have been a pain. My last two trips in snow (Colorado) have been awful. Not because it handles poorly -- it doesn't. But because the wipers and the wiper fluid are TERRIBLE. The wipers get frozen easily, it's hard to get them unfrozen (can't pick them up), and the wiper fluid stream is pathetic. They put all kinds of safety features in the car and screw up on the most important -- being able to see in bad weather. Unexcusable! There are a number of other things that annoy me, like still not getting roof crossbars after 10 months, Nissan tow hitch costing almost $700, the harsh ride over expansion joints, etc. There are lots of good things about the Murano, but enough pains in the butt that I would have looked at another car to do it again. |
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| murano123 |
| No news on when the the Lexus RX400h (hybrid) will be available but I think it will be priced at high 40s. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by jeffk
Sorry, but I think you're confused about what exactly torque steer is, because RWD drive vehicles don't have it. Even in AWD form the FX drives like a RWD until there's slippage, then power can be routed to the front. In other words it's exactly the opposite of the Murano, which is FWD until slippage occurs.
sorry,
but I did drive many vehicle front and rear wheel drive and I do know what torque steer is. As a matter of fact I own MO FWD and FX35 AWD, which for most purposes is RWD vehicle. I do understand over and under-steer. And I know how to use it - it is a lot of fun to drive RWD on a gravel road as opposite to FWD.
As I said before MO does have slight torque steer under hard acceleration, it does not batter me though. |
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| WindsorFox |
| Slight? LOL.... |
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| Kris |
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Originally posted by WindsorFox
Slight? LOL....
I usually use "slight" understatements:D |
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| GMTURBO43 |
I've driven cars with MUCH more torque steer than the Murano. Anyone every driven a first generation Taurus SHO? Change lanes shifting gears.
I remember on our test drive the FWD Murano seemed to have more of an issue with torque steer than the AWD. |
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| hfelknor |
I still have my 5 Speed SHO.
Brutal TS.
Fastest four door sedan in the world for under $100K when it was new.
It was faster than my 5sp Mustang when the Mustang was 100% stock.
But yes, you can feel the TS in a Murano.
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| esemes |
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Originally posted by hfelknor
I still have my 5 Speed SHO.
Brutal TS.
Fastest four door sedan in the world for under $100K when it was new.
It was faster than my 5sp Mustang when the Mustang was 100% stock.
But yes, you can feel the TS in a Murano.
Homer
[hijack] id LOVE to see that yamaha powered beast (hint hint...email me!!!)...... (is it the early year production model??)....
wonder if there are some cool SHO-time sites......
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| bob1 |
Originally posted by thecanuck .
Sorry. Can't keep the straight face anymore. Remove the Aztec from the list. And all other lists, for that matter.
I'm walking thru the parking lot and I see two car... uhh, things. One an Aztec and the other is a shoe box on wheels, the Honda Element (I Think). So I say to the wife, just what is happening in one's mind when they look at these.. uhh cars? Hey hon, this looks great, lets buy one before it's condemned! How can anyone sit at a desk with a salesman and hand over money for these cars?
You don't have to spend 30 grand on a car, you can find good looking cheaper cars, heck that Mazda-3 looks good at 14 and change. But Please look at these two cars and try not to laugh. I can't!
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| keram |
I can't understand how GM repackaged Aztec and is selling this morph as Buick Randevous (? I was never good in French) :)
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| ThisIsOly |
| YES I would buy another MO. I'd probably trade in my MO in a couple of years for another MO....hehe |
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| WindsorFox |
quote:
Originally posted by GMTURBO43
I've driven cars with MUCH more torque steer than the Murano. Anyone every driven a first generation Taurus SHO? Change lanes shifting gears.
I remember on our test drive the FWD Murano seemed to have more of an issue with torque steer than the AWD.
HA! I can beat that. 1969 Eldorado 472 and a 1972 Toronado 455HO :D
I must note that ONLY the topend of the SHO engine was built by Yamaha, the bottom was a Ford. Hermaprodite comes to mind. :p |
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| GMTURBO43 |
quote:
Originally posted by WindsorFox
HA! I can beat that. 1969 Eldorado 472 and a 1972 Toronado 455HO :D
I must note that ONLY the topend of the SHO engine was built by Yamaha, the bottom was a Ford. Hermaprodite comes to mind. :p
Ahh - the front wheel drive big block - what an idea :) |
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| rtking |
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hfelknor wrote
I still have my 5 Speed SHO. Brutal TS
Ha! You haven't experienced torque steer until you've driven a 1981 Chevrolet Citation X-11 with the 4-speed manual! That car was so bad that I literally had to countersteer hard left when I tried to out-drag someone across the intersection. And it had a clutch that's actually stiffer than the one in my Mustang SVO. Wow... what a car... :p
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| eurocarlov |
I struggle with this all the time. I am about a year away from my lease being up and I am starting to think about new vehicles. Overall, I like the style and roominess of the murano. The xenon headlights really make it stand out and the leg room inside is fabulous.
I tend to be somewhat anal about car problems and I find that little issues to others are huge issues to me. Every rattle, shimmy and blemish are huge glaring issues for me.
I dont know if I might never be happy with a vehicle unless its still in the "new" period of ownership (probably the first 6 months).
That said, I struggle with buying another suv or going with an AWD car. The new Infiniti G35x is really awesome looking in my opinion.. but a little pricier than the Murano. Also, not as big inside but again, i must step back and say... ITS NOT AN SUV!
If I were to look at another SUV, it would probably be a Lexus RX330 or a BMW x3... I think the lexus has a similar look as the Murano, but adds a touch of class. However... where can you get a vehicle with all the features of the murano for $400 a month on a lease.. no money down... 15k per year. If someone knows.. please tell me!
I am also thinking of sticking with a nissan/infiniti because by the time my lease is up (if i keep the mo that long) i will be way over mileage. I know if you maintain "loyalty" with a certain brand, they often forgive mileage overages, etc...
Any ideas on new vehicles for around $400 a month or a little more, please let me know!
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| WindsorFox |
quote:
Originally posted by rtking
Ha! You haven't experienced torque steer until you've driven a 1981 Chevrolet Citation X-11 with the 4-speed manual! That car was so bad that I literally had to countersteer hard left when I tried to out-drag someone across the intersection. And it had a clutch that's actually stiffer than the one in my Mustang SVO. Wow... what a car... :p
Bob K.
Pffff... try a 1972 Oldsmobile Toronado, 455HO or a 1969 Cadillac Eldorado, 472CID with 525 Lb/Ft of torque and a slightly loose steering box :eek: |
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| SIM |
Not only would I buy another MO but I just did...
I just like the new features and better handling of the suspension. They really eliminated all but one irritant. The damn dash creaking when the road is rougher.
The iPod integration is simply incredible and the sound is much better than with the PAC!
Now, the next step is that Motorola IHF1000 Bluetooth car kit integration, along with the mute box for the Bose. It will be the answer to my dream car... ;) |
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| KOZ |
I don't think so. I'm a year into my '06, and find myself liking the car alot, not loving it.
Dealer service is a big turn-off for me, as are simple creaks and noises which shouldn't be there on a new car. Couple that with the fact that the car doesn't feel like it has 245 hp behind it, that the CVT definitely drains some of the power, plus my interest in now going off road.
Most of my family has owned Toyotas for years, and never would anyone have a bad thing to say. I'm very impressed with the redesigned 4Runner and will probably give that a good look when the time is right. |
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| UncaDanno |
KOZ,
The Boss Lady would tend to agree with you. She has a PT Cruiser and, for a couple of years, has been lusting over a new Charger (or a Jeep). Not any more. What with DC laying off, what?, 12,000 people, you can just expect quality to go downhill.
One of her patients (she's an LPN) was discussing cars with her yesterday. He knows she's a muscle car fanatic, loves performance, and loathes shoddiness. Let's say "he works on cars". So she asked him about Chryslers. He said "not any more". She got one of the last years before DC's quality went down the tubes.
They talked a bit about how nobody builds cars to last 35+ years, like the Malibu we have in the garage. So she asks him what he would by.
Dutifully covering the blue oval on his shirt, he said, "You still can't go wrong with Toyota. Or Honda". |
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| NELSON |
keram,
I think you are definitely going overboard with assuming you're gonna be in the "shop" too much with the Murano.
However, I would NOT get another one. MPG is what put it over the top for me.
No major defects other than brakes squeaking. The MO eventually "fixed itself." No thanks to two trips to the dealer.
Dealer interaction was horrible. And, yes, it does factor in greatly when purchasing a car.
I plan on trading it in next year. |
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| Tyler_Canada |
| No, for one major reason: cost of replacing the CVT if it fails out of warranty. Or the transfer case for that matter. I've already been out of warranty for a year, and I've already had to replace the transfer case at a cost of $4000 Canadian plus $2000 for a new AWD controller (that I didn't need, and loath). |
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| XOC |
| When I answered this question a couple of years ago, I took it to mean would I purchase my present Murano again, or do I wish I had made another choice? I have 45,000 miles on my '03 SE. I have loved this car, I am glad I bought it, ,I plan to keep it a long time and hope the question of another Mo doesn't come up any time soon. If I have the problems of Tyler_Canada, that will cause me to change my mind. |
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| nubers |
| I had an 03 now have an 06 and planning on having an 09. |
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| dborla01 |
Probably not....unless some changes made to satisfy ME!
1). Lower to ground and less body roll :mad:
2). Better interior fit and finish, ala Honda.
3). More power instantanously, rather than that lag .
4). Stronger body integrity. Never did solve that pillar chirping sound. :(
5). Did I say more power? About 300 would probably do ok.
6). Better quality paint. Prone to chips.
We had an 03 SE AWD and suspension went flacid quickly. So...cheap cost-cutting measures were in place! Great looks and nice interior style. Loved the computer display and instant gas mileage display. PS. We look at late model gold and maroon and like them still. Competition still needs to catch up. Darrell. |
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| WindsorFox |
quote:
Originally posted by dborla01
Probably not....unless some changes made to satisfy ME!
1). Lower to ground and less body roll :mad:
2). Better interior fit and finish, ala Honda.
3). More power instantanously, rather than that lag .
4). Stronger body integrity. Never did solve that pillar chirping sound. :(
5). Did I say more power? About 300 would probably do ok.
6). Better quality paint. Prone to chips.
We had an 03 SE AWD and suspension went flacid quickly. So...cheap cost-cutting measures were in place! Great looks and nice interior style. Loved the computer display and instant gas mileage display. PS. We look at late model gold and maroon and like them still. Competition still needs to catch up. Darrell.
You just described an FX-45 |
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| GripperDon |
The best looking SUV ever.
SL ride is superb for me, a town driver.
Interior quality need a serious upgrade.
Interior electronics were fine when it came out but needs better now
Much Much Much better sound insulation
Thicker, better paint
NO MORE PROBLEMS, too many things, aternator for example.
LED's, everywhere
Better, components, shocks, springs, etc.
Finally get a dealership network that can do it's stuff,sales & service
Hopefull around 09 they will get it together as it is very apealing stylewise, ut not quality wise, seat mater for example is cheap. |
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| Kris |
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Originally posted by WindsorFox
You just described an FX-45
Yup!;) |
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| GripperDon |
| FX is too small inside, rides too hard and lakes the smooth styling, I have spent a fair amount of time in both th 45 and the 35 I bought a MO. I am 70+ so my day at SCCA, Marlboro, Penske, Sebering Sprites, Healey 3000's, jag 120's, Even Masarratis Bi-Turbos are gone. I want Luxury and a bit of space (this will never mean is Cadillac or an esclade) but the FX is just cramp and hard to see out of ( as least for me ) but that is why we have choices. So please don't make my Mo of the Future an FX or There will not be a Mo in my future and I just might like to be a 3 time owner. Besides I know how to mod it now. |
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| WindsorFox |
quote:
Originally posted by GripperDon
FX is too small inside, rides too hard and lakes the smooth styling, I have spent a fair amount of time in both th 45 and the 35 I bought a MO. I am 70+ so my day at SCCA, Marlboro, Penske, Sebering Sprites, Healey 3000's, jag 120's, Even Masarratis Bi-Turbos are gone. I want Luxury and a bit of space (this will never mean is Cadillac or an esclade) but the FX is just cramp and hard to see out of ( as least for me ) but that is why we have choices. So please don't make my Mo of the Future an FX or There will not be a Mo in my future and I just might like to be a 3 time owner. Besides I know how to mod it now.
But the OP I was replying to wanted better handling and more power. I enjoyed my Mo to an extent, but what I *wanted* was an FX-45. I just can NOT be happy with not tweaking and modding. I also was ready for a truck again, but if I had bought the FX_45 instead of the Mo I might still have it instead of being in a Titan. The FX-45 was just too expensive for me, I do NOT want a note and the FX-35 though IMHO looks better the only advantage it would have over the Mo for me is RWD and ease of maintenance. |
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| Kris |
Don,
these are different cars. I know. I drive both of them. Though the FX only hm......once a month? Maybe even less....;)
Anyway, both are good cars. They are just different. If one wants a stiffer, better handlig car, and more importantly RWD - FX is the way to go. Much more fun to drive than the Murano. However, Murano wins hands down as a family/highway cruiser.....lets them decide what they want. I would not like to be in a situation I would have to decide now.... |
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| GripperDon |
| But i want a wonderful Mo not a tight , cramped, Btutish, harsh riding FX (IMO) :D |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by dborla01
Probably not....unless some changes made to satisfy ME!
1). Lower to ground and less body roll :mad:
2). Better interior fit and finish, ala Honda.
3). More power instantanously, rather than that lag .
4). Stronger body integrity. Never did solve that pillar chirping sound. :(
5). Did I say more power? About 300 would probably do ok.
6). Better quality paint. Prone to chips.
We had an 03 SE AWD and suspension went flacid quickly. So...cheap cost-cutting measures were in place! Great looks and nice interior style. Loved the computer display and instant gas mileage display. PS. We look at late model gold and maroon and like them still. Competition still needs to catch up. Darrell.
You are being way too harsh on the Mo. After all, it is a 4 year old vehicle. I think the problem lies on the fact that you are comparing your 03 Mo with current vehicles. IMO, most of the problems that people complain about on the Mo have been fixed or will be soon.
Like any newly designed vehicle, it takes 2 or 3 years to get all of the bugs out of it, which is why most auto experts say not to buy a first year vehicle. Owners of the first Lexus RX300 can attest to that - just do a Internet search.
1. Not too many vehicles can claim the handling of the Mo and provide the same storage.
2. A 2003 Honda - fit and finished...please. The Lexus IS250 has a silver painted plastic interior. At least the Mo is aluminum - STANDARD.
3. Nissan tried to provide a balance between performance and fuel economy. You want torque - buy an F150. Yes, the FX 45 has power, but that's a V8 with a tranny and crappy fuel economy. The FX 35 is only about a second faster than the Mo.
4. Read second paragraph above. Not a problem in my 2005.
5. Read 3 above or buy an 2008 Pathfinder.
6. Okay, I agree with you on this one. But, Nissan has recently announced that they developed a self healing paint, Hopefully, they will incorporate this technology in the new or upcoming Mos.
7. You contradict yourself on point 2 at the end.
PS
Dborla,
I'm not bashing you - I'm stating the facts (all IMHO of course).:D |
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| dborla01 |
Hi, Biggun....not offended. Just saying my thoughts after not having it for 6 months. Tough to find one vehicle with everything in it. MO came closest, tho. Darrell. PS. We are window shopping for a 4WD wagon with manual tranny just now. Not serious yet:
BMW 325 xi wagon
Volvo V50 wagon
Audi A4 wagon
Suby Legacy GT: People are clamoring for sti 300 hp and 6 sp. manual and fit/finish like Audi/BMW.:) :) |
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| patsmo |
'03 SL Murano, 43,000 mi. I like the size, the ride, and the styling. Had to buy a $500 air flow sensor, never paid that kind of money for the many Honda parts I've bought. The interior squeaks and pops. The paint is easily chipped. The seats are low quality.
I'd do a lot of looking around before I bought another Nissan. |
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| bob1 |
quote:
[ so my day at SCCA, Marlboro, Penske, Sebering Sprites, Healey 3000's, jag 120's, Even Masarratis Bi-Turbos are gone. [/B]
C'mon Don admit it. I owned a 1966 Austin Healey 3000 Mark III. Don't you miss that? Sure it would break down all the time but all British cars would blow up once a week. That Healey, oh man, I still miss that car!
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| craigster |
quote:
Originally posted by patsmo
'03 SL Murano, 43,000 mi. I like the size, the ride, and the styling. Had to buy a $500 air flow sensor, never paid that kind of money for the many Honda parts I've bought. The interior squeaks and pops. The paint is easily chipped. The seats are low quality.
I'd do a lot of looking around before I bought another Nissan.
Really.
Well I paid $450 for a Honda Accord alternator that was 3 weeks out of warranty (36 months, 3 weeks) PLUS it cost me a battery 3 months later due to the lack of charging previously. C'mon, Patsmo, be realistic. If you want to chant the costs for Hondas, do apples to apples. What's a MAF on a Pilot cost?
Why did you change your Board name from pjc03murano, by the way? You were complaining about the MAF there as one name then switched to this name. |
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| TheGymKid |
I don't plan on giving my Mo up to have to get another one... I'll pass it onto my kid one day. Notice at the bottom of this post how old my kid is !!
ALTHOUGH... I saw the Volvo SUV (XC90) in a parking lot the other day and that thing is sharp looking. Totally different then the Mo, the Volvo is squareish... the Mo is roundish... but IMO, I liked the look of it alot.
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| craigster |
quote:
Originally posted by craigster
If you want to chant the costs for Hondas, do apples to apples. What's a MAF on a Pilot cost?
Also known as a MAS (Mass Air Sensor) in some other makes. |
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| SExyMurano |
| My Murano is my second Nissan after my 99' Maxima. Based upon my accumulative negative experiences (mostly on my Murano) I've had, I'm happy to say that I'm done with Nissan:28: ! My next car will be Japanese made Toyoya/Lexus! :29: |
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| NELSON |
I've joined and browsed a couple of forums recently, researching a new or used car.
Whenever someone has something negative to say about said vehicle, they get bashed left and right.
Not here, though. (Well, not too much.) :D |
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| rwm3100 |
I have had no major problems with my 03 Murano and have been pleased it. However, we all seem to have had some negative experiences with Nissan and their dealers customer service. After reading this article, I am now even more concerned that Nissan feels that customer service is not an important factor.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs...ESS01/703080363 |
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| NELSON |
quote:
Originally posted by rwm3100
I have had no major problems with my 03 Murano and have been pleased it. However, we all seem to have had some negative experiences with Nissan and their dealers customer service. After reading this article, I am now even more concerned that Nissan feels that customer service is not an important factor.
http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs...ESS01/703080363
Actually, it might just be the opposite. Customer service might just see an improvement by outsourcing to a different country.
I've dealt with Dell and HP customer service. And they were excellent. :D |
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| gibby26 |
I have some time to write a reply to your question of whether to buy a Murano or not because I'm at home recuperating from back surgery caused largely by the Murano driver's seat. A week after I bought it (my back was fine at that point) we drove about 14 hours in one day, and my back was ruined. That was a year ago. I should say that I've had back trouble in the past, but the hard, flat seat did me in. You may not notice it on a drive of an hour or so, and others may not find the seats (or the seating position) objectionable. But for me, it was a killer. I had the driver's seat rebuilt twice ($530), and now it's at least passable. But the damage was done. I'd had six Explorers before (fantastic seats), and bought the Murano for better mileage (at least that happened). And I give the Murano high marks for being smooth, quiet, etc. Love the gadgets, too. But fun to drive? Anyone who says that has never driven a car that IS fun to drive. The Murano, due in large part to its ENGINE-speed sensitive power steering, doesn't track at all. Wanders all over the road.
So, in conclusion, if you don't yet have a bad back, and don't mind constant steering corrections, the Murano is fine. |
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| mgthe3 |
Constant steering corrections?
:confused:
Not mine.
I love my seat. I have done 4-8.5 hour trips, no problem at all. Perhaps the lumbar was badly adjusted?
Gonna do another in July, Siesta key here I come!
Back to da thread.... After being without Mo for 4 days and driving different vehicles... I was THRILLED to get back in the Mo. I romped her, steered around corners madly... yep, there she is. I am leasing and my dear Mo will go back to the dealer in Feb 08.
:(
I want to get a G35C. But I will truly miss the Mo's smoooooooootheness. I am scared to keep Mo for the long haul (CVT). But, who knows, I have a warranty I got for the bumper to bumper for the life of the lease, including maint. It goes on out to 60k.
I wonder if I got them to throw in the warr till 100k with the 16k price she will have in Feb if I would keep her?
hmmmmmm
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| Pickles |
HI
I don't know if I've already answered this post but I definately would buy another one. Mine is a 2004 Murano SL white..If I could afford a brand spanking new one, I would buy one with all the bells and whistles. I love my MO. |
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| HuskyFan |
quote:
Originally posted by gibby26
back surgery caused largely by the Murano driver's seat.
Anyone who says that has never driven a car that IS fun to drive. The Murano, due in large part to its ENGINE-speed sensitive power steering, doesn't track at all. Wanders all over the road.
I have no complaints about the seats at all. I find the drivers seat very comfortable , especially with all of the seat adjustments and lumbar support.
My car tracks very well and doesn't wander at all unless in a wind storm. |
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| GripperDon |
| Better CVT, Better interior materials for: seat covers, trim, and a general improvement in interior. |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by keram
I assume that most of you are MO owners. Would you buy MO again or look for something else? I'm looking at either MO and Pilot but this thread makes me uncertain especially since I'm trying to get rid of low quality vehicle. I do like the look/performance of MO but after seeing these long lists of 'to be fixed' or 'desirable features' is a concern. I did not see such a volume of complaints on hondapilot.org
In a heartbeat. MO is far better than a pilot. I test drove both vehicles umpteen times and there is no comparison. MO is much more exciting and stylish. Drives like a dream on the highway and handles better in curvy roads. The CVT is the icing on the cake. Go for it.
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by muranomax
The CVT is the icing on the cake. Go for it.
Thanks
Muranomax
The problem is when "the icing melts" it is costly.... |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
The problem is when "the icing melts" it is costly....
Thats too bad Kris. Anything can break! The failure rate of CVT is actually lower than that of Honda Pilot transmissions. Anyway I am not worried as I managed to negotiate a 100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty for next to nothing before I laid my hands on the MO. I dont keep any vehicles beyond 100k no matter how good they are. BTW the new redesigned 2008 MO will be here by the time I finish up the 100000 miles; so it will be time for a brand new MO.
Cheers
Muranomax |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by gibby26
I have some time to write a reply to your question of whether to buy a Murano or not because I'm at home recuperating from back surgery caused largely by the Murano driver's seat. A week after I bought it (my back was fine at that point) we drove about 14 hours in one day, and my back was ruined. That was a year ago. I should say that I've had back trouble in the past, but the hard, flat seat did me in. You may not notice it on a drive of an hour or so, and others may not find the seats (or the seating position) objectionable. But for me, it was a killer. I had the driver's seat rebuilt twice ($530), and now it's at least passable. But the damage was done. I'd had six Explorers before (fantastic seats), and bought the Murano for better mileage (at least that happened). And I give the Murano high marks for being smooth, quiet, etc. Love the gadgets, too. But fun to drive? Anyone who says that has never driven a car that IS fun to drive. The Murano, due in large part to its ENGINE-speed sensitive power steering, doesn't track at all. Wanders all over the road.
So, in conclusion, if you don't yet have a bad back, and don't mind constant steering corrections, the Murano is fine.
I love the seat in MO. Its one of the most comfortable seats on the market. I have driven 16 hours straight with breaks for food and water. Had no problem whatsoever! I hate to say this; the problem may be more to do with the seat adjustment rather than the seat itself. I wouldnt blame the seats alone for back problem.
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Muranomax |
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| tkris |
Don't get me wrong, I love my MO, but it's not the right car for what I want.
I bought it to drive to the mountains.. 10000 out of 15000 miles last year were to/from my winter haunt. The AWD transfer case seems to be the Achilles heel of the car, and Nissan Service is Painful to deal with. If they had fixed the design, I'd replace my 2003 with a 2007 - but I have no confidence that I won't have the same problem again if I buy the AWD version.. I've always been very gentle with the MO on slippery surfaces to protect the transfer case and the CVT, but it wasn't enough.
I'm giving them one more change, but I have every intention of dumping the car if they continue to give me the run around.. :( |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by tkris
Don't get me wrong, I love my MO, but it's not the right car for what I want.
I bought it to drive to the mountains.. 10000 out of 15000 miles last year were to/from my winter haunt. The AWD transfer case seems to be the Achilles heel of the car, and Nissan Service is Painful to deal with. If they had fixed the design, I'd replace my 2003 with a 2007 - but I have no confidence that I won't have the same problem again if I buy the AWD version.. I've always been very gentle with the MO on slippery surfaces to protect the transfer case and the CVT, but it wasn't enough.
I'm giving them one more change, but I have every intention of dumping the car if they continue to give me the run around.. :(
tkris-
I read your other post. Your transfer case did not fail. The oil leak is from the seal that connects the front half-shaft to the differential. It is simply a failed seal that is common to almost all front wheel drive cars. It has nothing to do with the transfer case of AWD system.
Enjoy the ride.
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| Stoker |
| After three years of driving pleasure and dealership excellent service, I would buy another one:2: |
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