| Cheryls MO |
this happend the day after my car went in for service. the 15k mile service, first off they forgot to balance my tires like the sign says, however they did rotate them. i told them of the "ticking" and the "window rattleing" as found in other threads and they put in the notes " counld not locate sound, no action taken " so the next day i'm on my way to work in the rain on the interstate, i'm not sure what's wrong with my mo because everytime i'm in rain i feel like i'm driving on ice, and ofcourse the constant alignment change because the dealer can never align it right because of the obvious problem in the steering rack. i switched lanes and lost control spun 3 times across 3 lanes and into the grass and mudd on the side of the road.
my mo was stuck, needless to say, it's fwd, so i waited for AAA, they got there, pulled me out and my murano wouldn't go, it would start and roll, but it wouldn't go, so i'm thinking the trans went bad while i was trying to get out of the mud, so i get it towed to nissan and told them it just stopped, i didn't tell them i slid off the road incase they would try to make me go through my insurance company. at the dealership they said it has sucked in some water and that shuts down the engine so it doesn't damage it and that's all the happend. i've spent so much time in the place *****ing at them about this car. when i picked it up they told me all 4 tires were "feathered" that's why my murano is riding rough, i've been on the phone with nissan's 1 800 # for hrs telling them about the NUMORUS PROBLEMS i'm having weather it be little crap or stuff that makes my car unsafe, i paid $32k for a car that seems to be falling apart. i'm taking it in again soon because of more crap, my visors keep rattling, my driver's side suspension keeps ticking and creeking, my alignment is STILL wrong, my rear hatch door doesn't unlock consistantly and get this... my passenger side power window no long WORKS! sorry for the rant, i'm pissed as hell here and i'm about to get a lawyer and make them give me my $$ back. would i have a case?? i've filed the the bbb and they've sent my case to comsumer something...
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| MVTCFP |
You're MO handles just the opposite of how mine does....
Just this past Friday night I drove through some of the heaviest rainfall I had ever experienced behind the wheel. I went about 30 miles over the PA Turnpike and Parkway into Pittsburgh. It was an absolute washout for most of the venture. I think we had about 5 inches of rain that night. You could have water skied behind me.
I was really impressed with the way this car plowed through the water. I was left laning it the entire way and easily passed just about everything on the road with no problems at all. Even when I hit deep standing water, this machine barely blinked. I even told my wife how impressed I was with the car.
It sounds like your MO has some issues. I don't know if you "have a case" or not, but I'd be as ticked off as you. Good Luck. |
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| Eric L. |
Sounds like due to poor alignment, your tires were worn past the point where they are safe to drive in the rain. How fast were you going when you spun out?
I have found the Murano to be exceptionally stable in the rain even with these lousy Goodyears.
The alignment problem should have been addressed with the steering rack bolt TSB. |
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| Cheryls MO |
here's the list i'm giving the service guy so far...
*Window Rattle Dr side
*Alignment inconsistantcy
*Tick & pop noise from dr side front suspension area you can especially hear it when you're right beside a curb.
*Pass side window doesn't work at all up or down
*Rear hatch doesn't unlock sometimes without playing with it
*Often when you let off the gas at low speed like 10mph the car jumps and jitters forward repeatedly.
*Geat Selector piece on the lower part of it is loose ( not that important )
*Popping and creeking from driver's seat
*Passenger side visor doesn't clip in place properly
*Pop and creek in the dash
*Pop and creek from the rear view mirror
*UNK rattle when going over anything that's not freshly paved lol
am i being too picky? this isn't a cheap car. |
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| Snow MO |
quote:
Originally posted by MVTCFP
You're MO handles just the opposite of how mine does....
Just this past Friday night I drove through some of the heaviest rainfall I had ever experienced behind the wheel. I went about 30 miles over the PA Turnpike and Parkway into Pittsburgh. It was an absolute washout for most of the venture. I think we had about 5 inches of rain that night. You could have water skied behind me.
I was really impressed with the way this car plowed through the water. I was left laning it the entire way and easily passed just about everything on the road with no problems at all. Even when I hit deep standing water, this machine barely blinked. I even told my wife how impressed I was with the car.
It sounds like your MO has some issues. I don't know if you "have a case" or not, but I'd be as ticked off as you. Good Luck.
MVTCFP:
I was on my way to Cleveland when that storm hit and can vouch 100% for you. My great aunt and grandmother were with me and were not worried at all. While everyone else was off on the shoulder with their flashers on we left laned it at about 50 MPH with no issues whatsoever. My great aunt kept asking me about all of the things it did so she could tell all of her friends about it. :)
At one point, the people I was meeting up with (A jeep family) ribbed me about my car not being a jeep and she stood up and told them to shut up because she loved it so much. I also had a half hour MO introductory class outside of a Cleveland hotel when a family decided to bombard me with questions about it. I love this car...despite having some of the issues mentioned below:
*Tick & pop noise from dr side front suspension area you can especially hear it when you're right beside a curb.
*Popping and creeking from driver's seat
The first issue they said that they cant reproduce, but I'll show them. Regardless of the issues, I love this car.
Cheryl, good luck with your issues. Maybe you have a lemon? :3: |
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| hfelknor |
I think you may need a new dealer.
"and ofcourse the constant alignment change because the dealer can never align it right because of the obvious problem in the steering rack. "
That's just a bunch of hooey.
There is a TSB to fix the "Obvious problem in the steering rack".
As to the rest, once I find that a service department is incompetent, I move on.
At this point, it sounds like your tires are shot tho.
Partially your fauult as you bear ultimate responsibility. If that dealer couldn't satisfy you by your 7500 mile checkup, driving the car and hoping that things would be better at 15,000 is not going to cut it.
However you need to get the Steering rack fixed (For crying out loud, they just tighten the bolts) and then an alignment and then new tires.
As to whether or not they are responsible for the new tires...........you would be best served by
Forgetting hiring attorneys, etc
Find another dealer.
Or yes,
Pursue the FL lemon laws if you qualify.
You do not, and should not spend the money on an attorney to do this.
To find out if you qualify, go to
http://www.800helpfla.com/lemon_text.html
Homer |
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| Cheryls MO |
quote:
Originally posted by Snow MO
MVTCFP:
I was on my way to Cleveland when that storm hit and can vouch 100% for you. My great aunt and grandmother were with me and were not worried at all. While everyone else was off on the shoulder with their flashers on we left laned it at about 50 MPH with no issues whatsoever. My great aunt kept asking me about all of the things it did so she could tell all of her friends about it. :)
At one point, the people I was meeting up with (A jeep family) ribbed me about my car not being a jeep and she stood up and told them to shut up because she loved it so much. I also had a half hour MO introductory class outside of a Cleveland hotel when a family decided to bombard me with questions about it. I love this car...despite having some of the issues mentioned below:
*Tick & pop noise from dr side front suspension area you can especially hear it when you're right beside a curb.
*Popping and creeking from driver's seat
The first issue they said that they cant reproduce, but I'll show them. Regardless of the issues, I love this car.
Cheryl, good luck with your issues. Maybe you have a lemon? :3:
i think i do, i loved it until the alternator left me stranded on an interstate exit ramp. then i got it fixed and i loved it again, then it just started to have all these problems. the only think that worries me about trying to lemon it, is they might claim none of my problems affect the safety of the car, any help? |
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| Matrixnyc |
You might want to edit your post if you want to have a case. You told the service department a different story than what actually happened.
But My MO has performed great in the Rain, Snow, Dirt, Mud, just about anything you throw at it.
And I though FWD were better in rain and snow.
Also how fast were you going? There are limits to how fast you can go in a vehicle when it rains :) |
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| Eric L. |
Reading the story again, it seems that if the dealer rotated your tires and did not notice any significant wear (minor uneven wear should not cause you to lose control) then you were probably going too fast for the weather conditions. I assume feathering meaning there was wear due to poor camber (most likely inside wear).
Keep in mind that the loss of control/tire issue is not related to the rattles with the vehicle. I too am disappointed for nearly $35k my Murano isn't as solid as a similar $35k "base" Lexus RX300 (at the time).
And yes, the steering rack TSB (I think I may have mentioned it on my former post) will take care of the alignment issue (they should have tightened the bolt to spec, and performed at least a front wheel alignment if not a four wheel alignment). |
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| Cheryls MO |
| i was going under the speed limit, but you're making it out to seem like i'm stupid, i know there are limits in the rain, when i'm going 25-30 in the rain and hit the slightest bit of water my car feels like it's ontop of it rather than going through it. the thing is, because they kept telling me they fixed my alignment, i just drove the car, i use it for daily driving so i just took it, come to find out that's what caused my tires to feather is the alignement problem. i believe nissan is responsable for this, they told me it was aligned. i would like a new murano that works, like all you guys have. :D |
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| Matrixnyc |
Never said you were stupid, just know some members on here like to push the MO a little hard and get upset when it doesn't perform :(
Just take it to a trustful mechanic and have them check it out and even write out a report of what they found wrong. Take it to the Nissan dealer and show them what needs to be fixed.
You can even take it to another service center, they always like to get new customers from competitors.
GL |
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| Cheryls MO |
i know that the rattles don't have anything to do with it, i was just venting. does anyone else's car jump forward over and over when letting off the gas going like 10-15 mph ? i noticed this because i kept driving around neighborhoods in the area looking at houses for sale... otherwise it only does it rarely when coming to a red light.
i know this too has nothing to do with me loosing control... |
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| Eric L. |
I am sorry if my reply seemed overly "lecturing." My intention was to help you prepare an organized case to the dealer to help resolve your problems. Yes it is disappointing when the dealer does not look up TSBs for repairs.
Your reply states that you hydroplaned at 30mph. If you were going faster than that during rainy weather, it does not surprise me the tires may have had little traction left to prevent your Murano from spinning out. I am sorry to hear of your accident, but I am just pointing out here that the Murano is not invincible.
Good luck with your dealer. Best to try to get this resolved by arbitration with Nissan Consumer Affairs if possible. |
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| mgthe3 |
yes, mine does a surge at the end of braking, I figured it was something with the CVT like uncoupling from it at a certain speed via the TC. I got used to it though.
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| loggerdude |
My 04 SE AWD also duz some thing about 10 mph. it though it waz the torque converter unlocking .Because mine duz it every time i comr to a stop.
Loggerdude
04 SE AWD pewter |
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| jaak |
| I agree with Homer, your dealer's an idiot. (I'm paraphrasing, of course...) |
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| nissanlove |
| i think both of our dealers should go up for idiot awards. i'm having the same problem with my dealer but they seem to get things fixed. the probelmis, they always end up breakin gor missing or wrecking something else int he process. your tires... defenitely done. we had the same problem. it's b/c the murano came with bad alignment b.c they over tightened it when they put it on the transport truck. nissan supplied us wiht new tires and redid the alignmant and balancing. now they're fine but they are sure getting loud. damn goodyear crap. our mo is fine now in the rain but it used to go all over the place. still horrible in the snow even with the new tires. i hope everything goes well at the dealership. and it's a good thing that you filled a complaint to the bbb. maybe they'll do something about it. |
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| MVTCFP |
quote:
Originally posted by Cheryls MO
does anyone else's car jump forward over and over when letting off the gas going like 10-15 mph ? i noticed this because i kept driving around neighborhoods in the area looking at houses for sale... otherwise it only does it rarely when coming to a red light.
i know this too has nothing to do with me loosing control...
Now that's an issue. I have never experienced any lurching or jumping.
Is it just Cheryl & Loggerdude? Or do others experience this??
BTW Cheryl, No one here thinks your stupid. Please don't take inquiries as insults. Believe me, we're just trying to assemble the data to best help you put together a logical case. We're on your side. |
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| jaak |
I guess it depends what you mean by "jumps forward". I've notice when letting off the gas, under certain conditions, that the CVT changes ratios and there seems to be a short torque multiplication that gives the feeling of a bit of a surge forward.
One of the observations I've made with the CVT, is that it has it's own unique characteristics. If we all drove CVTs then went to conventional Automatic transmissions, then we'd be asking questions about their characteristics.
I've retrained my brain to accept this occasional surge, as normal as it's not severe, but noticable if you're paying attention.
If this is what you are experiencing, I wouldn't be concerned. If it's severe then you need to have a chat with your dealer. Hopefully someone there that's intelligent. Seems like some of us are having a tough time finding intelligent dealers... I feel blessed. Mine can read shop manuals, paid attention in training, and seems to know what they're doing.;) |
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| pat |
I drive my MO at speeds in excess of 100km's/hr in the rain with no problems. Actually, besides the MO window rattle, fixed by the way, my machine at 30 Km's is great with no complaints.
This vehicle handles great in all conditions, and I live in Canada, so I see it all!!:2: :2: |
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| mgthe3 |
| yes jaak, it is the surge thing I'm sure. |
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| rjardine |
Thnx Jaak, I think you have just put my mind at rest. The surge is very slight and I notice not only when letting off the gas as you noted but also if moving very slowly with the throttle barely cracked open.
Also if maintaining a steady speed about 40mph I sense that the torque convertor, or its equivalent in the CVT doesn't quite know whether to lock up or not.
Regardless I have put all this down to nature of the CVT. |
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| senza |
| Where you really notice the CVT "surge" is when your ,say, passing on a 2 lane highway with the engine at 6200 rpm and youv'e completed the pass. When you ease up on the accelerator and the rpms drop and the CVT drops to the lower ratio, you get a split second boost when your not ecpecting it....takes some getting used to... |
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| rjardine |
Yes - that too.
But the engine note at 6200rpm is divine!
:D :2: :D |
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| turbodog |
| No surging here. I will say our MO (FWD, by the way) is more prone to hydroplaning than I would like/would have expected. Maybe the AWD is the difference here? It's not a critical problem, but definitely is worse than the Camry. |
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| hfelknor |
Hydroplaning is caused by two conditions.
Driving too fast for conditions and Tires.
The tires can be overinflated. They can have dangerously worn tread. They can be very poorly designed for use in the rain.
Go to the Tire Rack and look at tire ratings.
Note the wide variance of tire ratings in the rain.
There are no other reasons. This car doesn't hydroplane more than that car.
However,this driver does.
And that tire does.
The Murano itself is not to blame when it comes to hydroplaning.
Homer |
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| SugarRushMurano |
Another thought is:
usually if it rains after a while of heat and drought, the asphalt will be slightly 'oily" as on the top of the asplahtl, water and asphalt oil does not mix. This causes extra sliperry condition. Do not drive too fast, especially during cornerring, turning, lane changing.
Is your mo AWD? Does it have the traction control? |
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| turbodog |
Sigh.
Such an authoritative tone. Unfortunately, carrying a load of misinformation.
First, a vehicle's weight bias (front/rear) has a direct and significant influence on hydroplaning characteristics. Two vehicles, identical except for weight bias (say, 70/30 F/R vs 50/50) will have dramatically different hydroplaning characteristics. This applies to static weight distribution as well as aerodynamically induced downforce/lift (admittedly not a major factor for most road vehicles).
Also, front-drive and rear-drive vehicles have distinctly different dynamics when hydroplaning. While both might hydroplane at the same speed (given equal tires, inflation, etc... except of course weight bias in FWD vs RWD is unlikely), in a front-tire-hydroplaning event, the FWD vehicle looses both steering and drive, while the RWD vehicle looses only steering. How this 'feels' to the driver is distinctly different.
Second, LOW tire pressure will cause 'premature' hydroplaning, not an over-inflated tire. The contact pressure between the tire contact patch and the road surface is equal to the inflation pressure of the tire. Higher inflation pressure equals higher contact pressure equals more force available to move water out of the way. Another way to look at it is: higher pressure makes the contact patch smaller. The same vehicle weight pushing against a smaller contact patch moves water more effectively.
I agree with your characterization of tire condition and design as factors... but most of us have the same tire brand/model, and I noticed the hydroplaning the first week I had the Murano. I am also, by the way, a 'correct tire inflation' zealot. I religiously maintain tire pressures (have a compressed air system in my garage/shop) but also watch for, and stay away from people driving around with obviously under-inflated tires.
My suggestion that AWD vs FWD might be a factor has 2 elements. First, AWD models have a more even weight bias than FWD models. Second, if front tires hydroplane, the AWD kicks in, providing drive via the rear wheels, and changing the dynamics of the situation, the result is a different 'feel' compared to FWD. I suggested it in an inquiring tone, rather than an 'authoritative' one, but it was not suggested without some thought (and 30 years of engineering experience, and 20 years of motorcycle and automobile road racing) beforehand. |
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| wolfy |
| I just bought a 2004 Murano SL AWD and it does not surge forward. Sorry you are having so many problems. The only problem I am having so far is when applying the brakes my steering wheel shutters back and forth. I'm taking it in on Saturday to get it fixed. I agree with taking it to another dealership or someone you trust to list out the problems. If they still won't fix them, do you have a local TV station that will show up at their front door :p |
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| hfelknor |
Sorry if I angered you Rick. My writing style is my writing style. I would urge you to either accept it or place me on ignore.
But subtly slamming me is not acceptable.
Here are some comments on your comments.
"Two vehicles, identical except for weight bias (say, 70/30 F/R vs 50/50) "
This is true,
But of course it has no relevance here.
We are talking Muranos. We are not comparing Muranos to other cars.
There may be a 1 or 2% difference in AWD/FWD but that is it.
My opinion is that is small potatoes compared to the relative mundane rain performance of the Goodyears.
", LOW tire pressure will cause 'premature' hydroplaning, not an over-inflated tire."
True. I should have just said that inflation of the tire was important.
"My suggestion that AWD vs FWD might be a factor has 2 elements. First, AWD models have a more even weight bias than FWD models. Second, if front tires hydroplane, the AWD kicks in, providing drive via the rear wheels, and changing the dynamics of the situation, the result is a different 'feel' compared to FWD"
I didn't mean to cancel out this suggestion. However the dynamics are not known to mere mortals. And I suspect are not known to Nissan engineers either.
Would these things have an effect?
Quite possible.
Would it be a large effect.
I don't know. And neither do you.
Is that relevant here?
I don't see how.
Cheryl only has one car.
And if you are suggesting that some here who have had no problems with Hydroplaning all have a different configuration than those who have had problems.........well, I guess you would have to show me that correlation.
"and 30 years of engineering experience, and 20 years of motorcycle and automobile road racing"
Good for you. Racing is good for the soul. I can take a car into a corner in excess of 100MPH, but I don't (And never did) have the cajones to do that with a bike.
I raced during the grand national era on the Alabama/Florida circuit in the early 60s.
Raced SCAA in Calif a few times in the late 70s (Sunbeam Alpine) , was a pit crew member as late as the late 90s in Toyota Atlantic series (TSA car), and am very good friends with Tim Maloney of Maloney Racing in Wilkes Barre. Maloney was the car owner that our friend Jimmy Spencer ran for in the modifieds/Bush before he went off to, what was then, the Winston cup. Jimmy is at the end of his career now (Although he gets excited if you mention that) Tim retired 3 years ago and we still bench race some Nascar stuff every now and then.
Most of that is irrelevant as racing tires have little to nothng in common with street tires, but just thought I would share my background also.
So, I accept your point that underinflation is worse than overinflation, but really don't agree too much with your other points.
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| turbodog |
Homer, I don't mind my ideas being challenged. I really dislike seeing folks on forums like this speaking as if they REALLY know their stuff and dispensing bogus - even dangerous- misinformation.
my statement:
It's not a critical problem, but definitely is worse than the Camry.
Your response:
Hydroplaning is caused by two conditions.
Driving too fast for conditions and Tires.
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There are no other reasons. This car doesn't hydroplane more than that car.
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But of course it has no relevance here.
We are talking Muranos. We are not comparing Muranos to other cars.
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"I didn't mean to cancel out this suggestion. However the dynamics are not known to mere mortals. "
Well, I can't repond how I would like without implying I have delusions of godhood.... but I can assure you that many 'mere mortals' have studied - and understand pretty well- the physics of hydroplaning, and the effects of driveline configuration thereon. And I know but a fraction of what is known.
I can speak from the experience of owning both FWD and AWD SUVs, (the AWD model having foot-wide treads, and not bashful at all about hydroplaning) and can directly attest to the different 'feel'. With FWD it 'feels' like you have driven into a big ball of cotton, or a very deep puddle.... just because the loss of drive causes instant deceleration. With the AWD vehicle, I can 'feel' the hydroplaning in the steering (probably occurring sooner than it would in the Murano... but hard to back that up with hard data), but forward motion is unimpeded, so the percieved 'severity' of the hydroplaning is far lower. And, I'm not sure that the AWD experience is really 'safer'... it could be easier to get in to really serious hydroplaning situation since the signals are somewhat 'masked'.
Lastly, My original post was prompted by the observations that the folks commenting about hydroplaning issues were owners of FWD Muranos (admittedly, the sample size - 2 - is small) while the folks (who's vehicle specs can be determined from ther sig file) with AWD Muranos were citing no hydroplaning problems. Cheryl doesn't need to own more than one for the discussion to be relevant.
Subtle? I was subtle? Dang. I have to work on that. |
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| Eric L. |
Rick and Homer, you are both fantastic resources for this board, and I'd hate to see any confrontation or negative feeling going about. If its sunny out, take a drive in the Murano with the sunroof wide open, shifter in Ds. :D
The original topic of this post stated that the conditions were slippery, the FWD Murano had alignment issues, and the tires were not worn evenly. In addition, it appears that the driver was going quite fast for the conditions (to spin the vehicle three times).
Helpful members pointed out the steering rack TSB. I think our job is done here.
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| Cheryls MO |
update....
turns out the transmission needs replaced nissan cent their techs to my local dealer for all the people trying to lemon their cars in the area. we'll see how it goes. |
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| SIM |
| My tranny will also be replaced along with the TCM next week. Should fix the nasty clicking sound that now can be heard at all speeds under 50 MPH. After that, it begins to clicks too quickly but surely becomes a high pitch sound harder to hear. |
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| Cheryls MO |
i was going prob 50-60 on the 70 mph interstate, it wasn't even raining that bad.
anyway i've filed all paper work to lemon my mo, at the dealership i use they've told me they've never had as many problems with any other one they've ever seen. they're the ones that told me to file. my murano's been in the shop for 39 days already. i've had it for a year. if they lemon it, which they should, i'm going to get a new mo :D |
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| GripperDon |
Cheryl !
You may have rached to point that you are now permanetly "Out of love with MO" and might consider tradeing it on the Lexus you mentioned. I would suggest reading some of their forums to make sure you are not jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I have driven both and the Lexus may handel more to your liking and in general their dealers are more used to working on luxury cars and with their drivers. I feel that the Nissan dealers are still behind the curve. Whatever you do best of luck, life is too short to not "Drive the Best" you can GRIP :D |
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| Gonzo |
| I had reported earlier that my MO also "surges" forward a little when I slow. I always happens around 18 MPH and I was told by someone here at the forrum that it is due to the torque converter.... completely normally although I don't like it. |
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| Eric L. |
| Yep 18mph is the TC lockup speed. |
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| GripperDon |
| I guess we all will have to understand that the MO is breaking new ground in transmissions, what you get for the money, and a company in the throws of reinventing itself. They are not finished yet, it is a work in progress as they say; but to some extent it keeps things from being boreing and provides excitement with each new discovery. You do have to admit we were all blown away or with the many many choices we all have out there, we would not have bought our MO'S GRIP :D |
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| SIM |
I know I would honestly buy another MO tomorrow if offered the same choices today. The space, the styling, the price, the V8 power, the AWD, the fuel economy, the unnoticeable tranny, all packaged in one very well equiped and fun to drive vehicle would win my heart again and again even if there were a few glitches and rattles since I bought it 6 months ago.
I must say that most squeaks & rattles, hunted and now corrected, were due to my own actions when I installed many aftermarket gadgets and stuffed the glove box & rear cargo boxes without proper insulation.
Nothing is perfect but I honestly think that Nissan scored a huge hit again with the Murano, one that many manufacturers are desperatly trying to duplicate as quickly as possible. |
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| Snow MO |
I agree that the Murano is a good concept...space, versatility, AWD, and all of the options from the factory, however, I strongly feel that the quality of the interior is driving me crazy. I really like the way it is laid out, but all of the squeeks and creaks that my car has are not from me modding it. I haven't added anything to the interior of this car except OEM Rubber floor mats, so my gadgets definitely didnt cause this. Reluctantly, I am going to take each of the doors off and sound proof them with hopes that it makes the interior sound solid. I'm in a carpool and its embarrassing when my coworkers '95 buick sounds more solid than my 03 Nissan. If I can resolve that then I will again feel as positive about this car as I once did, but with 4 doors and a center console rattle I can't help but feel like I'm driving a baby toy instead of a $38,000 vehicle.
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This car has been to the dealer 3 times to fix these rattles and there is no way it is going back for them... |
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| hfelknor |
I know, Snow.
I have wrestled with the problems since I bot the car.
I have come to live with them.
I had no choice. The dealer(s) couldn't fix them.
But I will never buy another Nissan.
Infiniti maybe.
But Chevy or even Hyundai build more solid cars than Nissan.
As ridiculous as that sounds, it is true.
My buddy has the original Santa Fe and it still doesn't have a rattle!
Another Friend has a Chevy S10 Blazer that is absolutely quiet except for Road Noise. Tires are very aggressive so we think that is most of it.
My Murano with sedan tires is nearly as loud. and the Tics and creaks and squeals, and etc etc. are an embarrassment.
I paid a LOT more than either of these guys.
I will never buy another Nissan.
There is a reason that the Murano doesn't sell as well as the competition.
I DO think that each succeeding year, the car gets "better".
I have a Lady friend who bought a 2004 and although she STILL had the loose steering rack (For SHAME Nissan!) she only had a couple of noises and the dealer fixed both of them. For awhile. The "Tic" is back back in the A pillar.
Maybe the 2005 will be even better.
BUT, meanwhile I will enjoy the performance and the looks of my Murano.
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| Gonzo |
| Sorry to hear that guys... I have an 03 SL AWD and I don't have any noises. I hope it continues as I love the MO. |
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| Snow MO |
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Originally posted by Gonzo
Sorry to hear that guys... I have an 03 SL AWD and I don't have any noises. I hope it continues as I love the MO.
Me = Envious of you.
I've tried to deal with it and be polite with the dealer hoping they can resolve it, but its just too much. There are days where, after 12 hours or so of work, I want a nice quiet ride to the gym. No radio. Windows up. After about 5 minutes I have to put on a CD because otherwise I regret my purchase. :3: |
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| Eric L. |
As the weather has been getting colder, all the ticks and rattles have returned. I remember it drove me nuts last fall/winter, and its going to drive me nuts this year too. It used to the rear windows ticking, now I think its a part on the rear hatch.
I've built snap tight plastic model kits that are more solidly put together than the Murano. Oh well, same experience on my 97 Maxima, so not entirely unexpected. |
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| pcs15394 |
| I completely agree. The rattles are driving me insane. I first thought they were coming from the front windows, but now it sounds as if they are in the B Pillar or the rear windows. I cannot take it without turning the stereo up so I can't hear the "TIC", "RATTLE", or whatever it needs to be called. I have on occasion bumped the road reflectors on the side streets around my neighborhood, even that small of a bump sets the rattles in motion. I would probably buy another Murano again if this was resolved in a future model, but if it's the same, I don't think I would. I have an 04 and it definitely has the full complement of squeaks and rattles. Sorry for the rant. I do love everything else about the Mo. Just that the rattles are baaaaaaaad!! |
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| BordeauxMo |
Anything get resolved with this? Keep us posted on what happened.
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