| biggun |
I went cheap and bought the AWD S model. After a week driving it, I loved it and regretted not getting one with more features. So far I upgraded the radio speakers by adding the tweeters in the dash and I've installed a dim mirror with homelink and compass.
I'm trying to upgrade and keep it as stock as possible.
I'm hoping the wires for the fogs are there like the tweeter wires were. The mirror was a different story. I ended up buying the whole kit with wiring harness (OEM, but not from dealer - much much cheaper). Overall, a very easy install for both.
If the fog wires are there - I wish Nissan would hurry and provide a fog kit like on their other vehicles. Has anyone had a chance to confirm whether the FOG wires are present on the S model? If I do not hear from anyone, I may venture on discovering it for myself real soon.
Also, are there other upgrades that I can do (relatively cheap) to the S model to improve to SL/SE options?
Love this site and can't wait to someday try the HID upgrade as posted in this site. |
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| SugarRushMurano |
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Love this site and can't wait to someday try the HID upgrade as posted in this site
Do the HId upgrade , you wont regret it ;) |
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| zebelkhan |
| First got to find HID at a decent price. I cannot find them any more... |
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| vfr |
quote:
Originally posted by biggun
I'm hoping the wires for the fogs are there like the tweeter wires were.
Is that right? The tweeter wires are right there waiting for a speaker? If so, I will pop the grills off this weekend. |
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| biggun |
Yes vfr. The connectors are brown color and are taped to the wire harness on either side. The drivers side is harder to find. At first glance you will see a white connector. That is for the optional sensor. The tweeter connector is slightly lower. Be careful when removing/untaping from harness. I used a screw driver and needle nose pliers. The cost was $25 each from the dealer. I say a great improvement for $50 bucks.
Sugar, definitely! After the Fogs, that is on my list. However, Z is right. I've been looking and they are hard to come by for a decent price.
In time - it will be done. |
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| biggun |
okay, I just checked under the driver's side fender protector and it appears that the harness for the fog is there. Next step is to purchase the parts. I think i will need the following:
- OEM Fog lights
- OEM turn signal stalk with fog light switch
- OEM Harness (short connector to fog)
- OEM Relay
- Fuse
Hoping to get some of them off of ebay
I know the fogs are also for Altima and I believe the stalk is also same as Titan. Now why wouldn't Nissan just make the Atlima and MO stalk the same so I could just purchase the Altima fog kit? - Go figure?
I will try to update as I go forward on this OEM Mod. |
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| biggun |
New update on Fog add-on.
I went to the dealer today to get info/pricing on my FOG add-on. The S model does not list the parts since it is not an option for this model. I asked them to look up the parts for the SL, which should be the same. Below is a list of parts with part No. and cost (North East -USA).
- Fog Lamp Assy, R; Part # 26150-8J025; $181.55
- Fog Lamp Assy, L; Part # 26155-8J025; $181.55
- Harness Assy; Part # 24028-CA000; 2 @ 16.73 = $33.46
- Switch Stalk Assy; Part # 25540-AM620; $74.96
- Relay; Part # 25230-79943 (not sure is this part # is right); $21.16
Total (Option 1) = $492.68 (ouch!!) :(
One thing to point out is that the stalk is only available with autolights only. I guess this is a standard option for the SL and SE. Is this correct? Has anyone tried/know how to add autolight option for their MO?
Option No. 2 is to buy Altima Fog light kit ($197) and use the FOG lights from the kit (same as MO). Cost saving is approx. $166 (total =$363).
Option 3 is to by aftermarket FOG for MO off of eBay ($76 each), plus shipping = approx. $161. Cost saving versus dealer is $202 (total = $290.58).
Option 4 is to wait until September/October (which is when Nissan adds accessories to their lineups - based on the dealer) for a possible FOG kit for the MO S type. Est. cost $250. Total savings is approx. $243.
I may wait until Sept/Oct so that I get the OEM Fog versus the aftermarket. If it were not for that difference, I would pay the additional $40 now and go with Option 3.
Oh BTW, with Option 2 you may be able to sell the Signal stalk on eBay to an Altima owner and get back some of your money = more savings. I suspect that you could get between $25 and $50 for it with the autolight function. :eek: |
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| k_garten |
If you get the updated light switch stalk with the 'auto' option (for the fog lamps), would adding the light sensor enable the 'auto' light feature?
Would the computer need to be reprogrammed?
Just a thought. |
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| biggun |
Good Question.
I was wondering that myself. I'm no expert, but I would imagine that it would work as long as there is no difference in the programs for each option (auto or non-auto light). I know the door switches can effect when the lights turn on/off, so it may be were reprogramming is required.
I am also looking at installing the option of PIAA 510 ION FOGS into the openings instead of stock housings. I'm not sure if I can operate these with the stock switch/relay. If not, I will go completely stock.
More to come. ;) |
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| sheridan |
| I too am faced with the same issue. Has anyone succesfully install fog lights into a S model Murano?? If so...how...where??? WHat do I need to do? |
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| k_garten |
Until Nissan officially comes out with a fog lamp kit (Which will need a firmware update for the BCM or updated ability to configure it), you'll need to ground the fog lamp relay by other means to activate the lamps.
Since I was the Genie Pig on this one, here is my recommendation:
Purchase the 2002-05 Nissan Altima fog lamp kit.
*The lights are the same
You may also need to purchase 2 fog lamp harnesses (Which can be purchase online for ~$11 each * 2.)
* Although the kit may come with them.
Don't bother using the fog lamp stalk, you waste your time installing it.
Wire the signal ground for the head lamps to the signal ground for the fog lamps. Whenever the lights are on will cause the fog lamps to also come on. You can optionally wire a switch to control this.
* This signal ground is the wire from the CPU that triggers the relay to come on. d/l the complete manual from nissantech (I think) for $20.
*Also, it took 3 dealerships to figure this out! All of whom said they install fog lamps in Murano 'S's all the time! |
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| biggun |
k_garten,
I want to be clear on this - did you actually try to install all of the OEM FOG parts as listed above in my previous post - and it did not work?
Did the stalk have autolight, if so, did you install the light sensor on the dash? |
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| k_garten |
Yes,
All the above parts! The only thing not required was the fog lamp relay. (It was already there).
Also installed the light sensor!
And No, the Autolamps and fog lamps do not work from the new stalk! One of the dealership was able to change the config on the BCM to give me the auto-lamp options; however, it does nothing.
They also had recommended that I obtain a BCM from an SL or SE model and reprogram the keys but there is no guarantee that this would work. (It has never been done before). + $400 for this piece.
You think Nissan would have made it easier to install the lamps! |
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| biggun |
That just kills me.
Why would Nissan design a simple plug and play for Altima and Titan fogs and not for the Murano.
Can you provide some diagrams - pict on your install?
Thanks. |
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| sheridan |
OK....I was trying to save some money, got my Murano S for 24,977, a newspaper special. But now I see it was not necessaririly a bargain. Meaning.....I want fog lights, but do not want to have to rebuild my car to get them. After market is starting to sound better.
Ok so if I read right, k_garten got the fog lights working, but.....they do not have their own working on/off switch?? So that means they are always on when the headlights are on??? Hmmmmm |
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| k_garten |
Welcome to the Murano 'S' regret club!
Well, its not that bad (I wouldn't worry about it):
Get the Altima lamp kit. If you need to turn them off (Some states require this, luckily not mine) run a wire to your cabin and mount a switch. I'll try to submit a diagram.
Other S model shafts:
1) Steering wheel: get over using the radio controls with your right hand. Buy a leather steering wheel cover at your local auto store or online.
2) 4 way seat (Easy convert to the 8 way with 2 DPDT (on)-off-(on) rocker switches)! The motors are already there! (Thanks Nissan!!!)
You also can buy the factory switch and harness for ~$350 (I like the $20 option and build my own harness)
3) Headrest doesn't swivel. - lever lost sleep over this one.
4) Rear 12v socket missing - I think power is already there! I may buy a 12v socket for this (next mod).
5) Adjustable pedal missing - I think the 'S' factory location is perfect
6) Front seat back pockets. - I guess I may miss this?
7) Autolamps and delayed lamps - OK, this would be nice!
I think that somes it up; SL, SE owners (feel free to add) |
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| yyyyyy |
when I was looking for my mo, I contemplated regarding the good price of the S models.
There is a Convenience Package for the S that adds the roof rails, the power driver seat, power pedals, privacy cover, and cargo liner for $800.
Just bought a base SE (actually did not have any of the features in the S convenience package, similar package for the SE would be $1500 because of the Bose upgrade), but I did like the sporty, firm feel & the HID of the SE and the homelink & radio controls of the SL/SE
at the same time, I do miss having the roof rail and the privacy cover. :( |
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| CopperKat |
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Originally posted by k_garten
SL, SE owners (feel free to add)
Since you asked. . . besides the homelink transceiver, the "S" model also lacks the auto-dimming rearview mirror with digital compass and vehicle security system. |
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| k_garten |
| I believe the 'S' does have the vehicle security system. If we're talking about the immobilizer key system? |
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| CopperKat |
| The "vehicle security system" is what Nissan calls the alarm system. The lights flash and the horn sounds when it has been set off. You are correct that all models have the immobilizer. |
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| biggun |
I have been able to add the Dim Mirror with Compass and Homelink for $200 and 20 min. In addition, I also added the front OEM tweeters for $50 and 15 min.
Both were simple upgrades. I was hoping the fogs would be also. I found a pair on ebay for cheap and i'm waiting for them.
K_Garden, Thanks for the saved hardache on the OEM stalk switch.
I'm hoping someone will be able to discover the OEM solution, like the Xenon headlights.
K_Garden, have you tried to add the steering wheel radio control? Did it work? What was the problem? That was my next upgrade. Do you think it would work if a bose radio was added? :rolleyes: |
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| biggun |
| In addition, I got my S model with the convienence package. I wonder if that adds anything that would change any of the OEM upgrades that you have experienced to be unsuccessful? |
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| k_garten |
The radio control would need the SL/SE steering wheel. Which would be > ~$1000 because the airbag is different on the 'S'. I also have serious doubts it would work because the same 5 i/o lines that control the autolight and fog lamps also control the steering wheel controls. So, if the BCM ignores the auto and fog, it will probably ignore the radio controls.
On the + side, I dont think Bose is required for steering wheel control! |
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| sheridan |
Biggun
I was looking at your shopping list of items needed to install the Fog lights.
OK.....the dealer here gave me a slightly different stock # and price.
Heres yours......
- Fog Lamp Assy, R; Part # 26150-8J025; $181.55
- Fog Lamp Assy, L; Part # 26155-8J025; $181.55
- Harness Assy; Part # 24028-CA000; 2 @ 16.73 = $33.46
- Switch Stalk Assy; Part # 25540-AM620; $74.96
- Relay; Part # 25230-79943 (not sure is this part # is right); $21.16
Total (Option 1) = $492.68 (ouch!!)
Heres mines........
- LEFT FOGLAMP # 26155-8J025 $203.34
- RIGHT FOGLAMP #26150-8J025 $203.34
- WIRE HARNESS FOR FOGLAMP # 24028-CA000 (2X) $18.73 EACH
- FOGLAMP SWITCH (SL) # 25540-CB60A $104.20
**For auto light - Light Sensor # 28576-4W600 $90.72
The difference is....the switch/stalk stock number. Is it possible you were sold the wrong switch....and thats why it does not work?? The service guide talks about wiring and testing, but it seems to be for all models of the murano. Just a thought.
The fogs you ordered on Ebay....are they OEM style? |
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| sheridan |
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/02-0...007006196QQrdZ1
I believe these are NOT OEM but OEM style. Looks like it comes with 2 Harnesses also and a push button switch.
Hmmmm if the Harness and fog light is good....maybe I should get this kit.....then the factory stalk????
Opinions please.... |
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| Mr3Putt |
quote:
Originally posted by sheridan
[B
I believe these are NOT OEM but OEM style. Looks like it comes with 2 Harnesses also and a push button switch.
Hmmmm if the Harness and fog light is good....maybe I should get this kit.....then the factory stalk????
Opinions please.... [/B]
I can't comment on the Ebay auction but I will comment on the switch.
I wouldn't worry about the factory stalk. If you can control these lights with an independant switch, that's the route I would go.
The OEM stalk does not let you operate the fogs by themselves. The headlights must be on. Some others have rewired the switch to allow independant operation. Looks like this kit comes with a stand alone switch, if it fits.... go for it.
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| k_garten |
If I would have known this before, this would be the route I would take!
The price is right and they look exactly like the OEM lights! |
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| biggun |
I believe that there is a way to use the existing stalk switch to give you a OEM fog install without changing the BCM...at least I'm hoping.
k_garden, since you have been the only person that i am aware of that has tried the OEM install, I need to ask you some questions that may bring us closer to solving this dilemma - even though some maybe obvious.
1. Did you purchase the stalk with or without "autolights" (sheridan, that is why your stock number maybe different from mine)?
2. Did you install the 15A fuse in fuse location 88? If not, this fuse is required for it to work.
3. Did you turn on the headlights in conjunction with the fog lights? Again this is required for the fogs to operate.
Some of the other possibilities are as follows:
According to the service manual, the fog relay is built into the IPDM E/R in the engine room. I think we can check if it is possible with the Auto Active Test identified on page PG-23 and 24 of the manual. If the fogs come on during the test, then it is the BCM. If not then it may require the replacement of the IPDM E/R, because the S Model version is not equipped with the fog relay.
I hope that you can still try this and get back to us.
Thanks,
Biggun |
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| k_garten |
1. Did you purchase the stalk with or without "autolights" (sheridan, that is why your stock number maybe different from mine)?
A: Purchased with Autolights.
2. Did you install the 15A fuse in fuse location 88? If not, this fuse is required for it to work.
A: Fuse was already there,
3. Did you turn on the headlights in conjunction with the fog lights? Again this is required for the fogs to operate.
A: Um, yes
The auto active test using the close the door 10 times method did turn the fog lamps on during that phase of the test.
*Which should clarify that the relay and fuses are present. |
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| biggun |
Wow, the fogs actually worked during the test!
Okay, well if the auto active test activated the fogs then, based on the Service manual, it must be the BCM. Which means one of two things:
A. The BCM is different in the S model than the SL or SE (DAMN YOU - NISSAN!!)
B. Your BCM is malfunctioning (possibly from the inexperienced Nissan mechanics that were fooling around with it to begin with).
I guess I may need to go with the aftermarket connection/option. |
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| k_garten |
A. The BCM is different in the S model than the SL or SE
* One tech had mentioned this was a possibility; however, a SL/SE BCM would be ~$400 + Nissan tech only re-code for the keys.
(DAMN YOU - NISSAN!!)
*Me and at least 3 different Nissan techs were saying the same thing! (And after at least 11 cumulative hours between them all)
B. Your BCM is malfunctioning (possibly from the inexperienced Nissan mechanics that were fooling around with it to begin with).
* Anythings possible!
My 2 cents: I think eventually Nissan will have a fog lamp kit and an update to their Consult2 computer that will allow re-programming of the BCM. If I can get an SL BCM at a junkyard cheap, I might try this; however, I've spent way too much time on this already!
(DAMN YOU - NISSAN!!) |
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| sheridan |
Guys
I have read and read the service manual....
Check out this clip from the BCM section.....
BCM (BODY CONTROL MODULE) PFP:284B2
System Description AKS00A42
BCM (Body Control Module) controls the operation of various electrical units installed on the vehicle.
BCM FUNCTION
BCM has combination switch reading function for reading the operation of combination switches (light, wiper
washer, turn signal) in addition to a function for controlling the operation of various electrical components. Also
it has an interface function allowing it to receive signals from the unified meter and A/C amp., and send signals
to ECM using CAN communication.
COMBINATION SWITCH READING FUNCTION
Description
BCM reads combination switch (lighting switch, wiper switch) status, and controls various electrical component
according to the results.
BCM reads information of a maximum of 20 switches by combining five output terminals (OUTPUT 1-5)
and five input terminals (INPUT 1-5).
Operation Description
BCM activates transistors of output terminals (OUTPUT 1-5) periodically, and allows current to flow in
turn.
If any (1 or more) switches are turned ON, circuit of output terminals (OUTPUT 1-5) and input terminals
(INPUT 1-5) becomes active.
At this time, transistors of output terminals (OUTPUT 1-5) are activated to allow current to flow. When voltage
of input terminals (INPUT 1-5) corresponding to that switch changes, interface in BCM detects voltage
change, and BCM determines that switch is ON.
At no point in this entire chapter does it specify between trims or models....unless one of you found it elsewhere.
If I read this correctly......all Muranos should have their BCM already configured for Fog Light....Autolight.......xenon lights...etc. Personally....I am thinking your stalk might be different however slight. Buy one from the dealer.....and test it out. If it does not work they will accept a return. Actually.....all items can be returned to dealer for a refund as long as they do not appear installed.
If one of you, who does not have the service manual wants a copy of this chapter let me know....I can email it.
I think we are getting close to solving this. |
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| biggun |
sheridan, to answer your question regarding the ebay item. Those are the exact ones I purchased. They are factory quality - so, yes buy them. I purchased mine, used, from a private seller (he provided terrible packaging during shipping). So, I didn't get the switch - just the "shaft!". The wiring harness is included, but the item comes with no instructions (easy enough to figure out).
Also, regarding your last post on the "same BCM", I contacted the dealer and they indicated that there are 10 different BCM for the Mo. You need the vin number for them to determine which one you have. The only thing that is mentioned regarding the order of the BCM is the following options: NAV, HID, Leather (probably for the heated seats) - DAMN YOU NISSAN!!!!!
k_garden, regarding the stalk, were you able to return your stalk? If not, are you willing to let me borrow it or sell it to me so I can further experiment.
I have one idea, i'm hoping may work. Would it be possible to use the OEM stalk as the switch. Connect a wire to the wire that leads from the stalk to the BCM and connect to relay (this will in turn bypass the BCM to a relay that will turn on the fog). I'm guessing that those forums that discuss how to bypass the lights and operate the fogs independently may have the useful info. I may run a search on them tonight. |
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| sheridan |
Biggun you are right...my dealer also said I'd have to order BCM by VIN.
They also told me that once I install fogs and switch, that they can just reprogram my BCM to enable my fogs and autolight.
But guess what...they have never done this before (seems to be alot of this going around)
By the way guys here is a link on ebay for Genuine Nissan OEM Altima Fog Kit for $99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1
I am gonna buy these.....as soon as I can verify it come with brackets and screws.
Thanks for getting back to me. |
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| biggun |
You can only use the lights the stalk will be useless because it is for the Altima only.
I would suggest that you get the aftermarket. The nissan dealer told me that the Altima fog light kit is essentially an aftermarket product and that it is not from Nissan. So the quality should be identical. Plus you get the switch and wiring harness which you may need for your install.
As long as the ebay company is reputable, the aftermarket comes with the screws and will fit in your OEM opening.
I maybe getting closer to the use of the OEM stalk. The link below has some helpful info on how to bypass the BCM.
http://www.nissanmurano.org/forums/...rl&pagenumber=2 |
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| k_garten |
I looked at modifying the physical switch; however, combined with the wiper switch, it provides a 5 input and 5 output (almost digital) signal to the BCM.
Based on the current switch modes, the BCM monitors the 5 lines (cycling through each one every 10ms)
*When you turn your lights on it could take up to 40ms for them to come on. Imperceptible.
The light switch stalk has 8 lines coming out of it. 5 input and 3 output. Based on the schematics you can see the complexity of this setup. Think binary when looking at this.
Bottom line: there is no one to one electrical line being controlled by the individual fog lamp switch section. You would have to physically disassemble it and rig it. It would compromise reliability once this is done. |
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| k_garten |
| Image shows the electrical routing to turn the fog lamps on with the headlamps. This is done by triggering both relays with the headlamp switch. You can optionally add a switch in between. |
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| biggun |
k-garden,
Without the switch that is a very simple mod that will be very difficult to detect - I LIKE IT! :D
Is this the way you installed yours? Can the fogs operate with just the park lights? If not, I would like to find a way to turn on the fogs when the park lights or low beams are on. |
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| sheridan |
Biggun....just so no confusion...what I meant in my last post is I am gonna get this altima kit since its stamped with NISSAN on it and is considered genuine OEM.
Of course I still need a stalk...which I will buy from the dealer...along with two harnesses.
I did verify...and my fuses and fog light relays are already installed on my Murano as well. |
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| biggun |
Sheridan,
The Altima Fog Kits also say "Nissan", but according to the dealer they are truly from aftermarket manufacturers. In other works - there is no difference. At least from what I have seen. My "aftermarkets" look pretty "OEM" to me. I've seen them both. However, I did not do a side by side examination.
And in case you haven't read the above, the stalk is useless unless you have the right BCM - so don't bother. You will need to rewire as k_garden mentions above or rewire a new harness (in kit) with switch to lo lamp ground.
Once I decide what I am going to do, I will post.
Good Luck. |
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| sheridan |
biggun:
Have you installed your fog lights yet?
I went ahead and ordered mine from ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...me=STRK:MEWN:IT
I am still gonna order a STalk from dealer and auto light sensor
The dealer said they could program my BCM for $50....and guess what??? It would be the first time for this setup.
Oh yeah, I got a Python 881XP alarm installed. I have to give up a key for the remote start function. Did you guys know that a replacement ket is $75???? And another $50 to program it??????????
Hmmmmmm.......what the hell?!?! |
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| biggun |
sheridan:
Q: Have you installed your fog lights yet?
A: Not yet - I was looking into a couple of different options for my install. Now that you are going to try the OEM again. I think I will wait and see how you make out.
I think you will be happy with the aftermarket lights and the money you saved.
You should have three keys with one being the valet. Personally, I would just use the valet and live without it.
Keep us updated. |
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| sheridan |
Received my AFTERMARKET OEM "STYLE" Fog Light Kit. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...me=STRK:MEWN:IT
OK.....I installed the fog lights only. But...since I was in there feeling and looking around.....I did notice that the fog light wires were infact there waiting to be plugged in to by the OEM harness. The harness supplied DOES NOT fit. The kit I have is designed to be ran from Lights.....all the way to the switch which is to be installed next to the door mirror switch....should look nice and a variant of an OEM look.
Anyhow....the fog lights were a little rough around the edges....and I did scratch the paint going in the holes a little bit..dammit.
Well......I am undecided now if I should go ahead and by the OEM stalk.....since no one else has had luck getting this to work. My dealer is confident they can do it, but they never did it before. I do not wanna waste money. Resale value should be higher if everything looks and feels OEM I think.
Anybody else working on this now? Or is everyone taking a break? |
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| biggun |
sheridan,
If the dealer says they can do it, than let them - as long as you have some guarantee that you will not pay for parts or labor if it doesn't work.
If you do decide to go with the aftermarket wiring. You can go a couple of different methods.
1. Connect with switch: I would connect the switch feed from the park lights. So that you can operate the fogs with just the park lights on and no headlights.
2. Connect without switch: Again connect the switch feed directly to the park lights without a switch. This will minimize work of having to pull wire through firewall and eliminate a non OEM switch in your MO. The fogs will operate when you turn on the park lights.
Theoretically k_kardens wiring diagram above will do the same thing. but, the relays are non-removable so you can not get a wire to the relay terminals as shown in his diagram above in his previous post.
I was thinking about connecting to a OEM harness without a switch. I'd show a pic but I cannot figure out how to attach it. It is in my photo galary if you want to check.
I'm not sure how the battery saver works, but I would imagine that the fogs will shut off with this setup. Not sure about any other (ex. directly to battery). |
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| k_garten |
| Both relays ARE removable. I removed the relays and did this mod on mine. The bottom one is a little tight to get at, but I was able to remove it. I'll post pics. |
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| k_garten |
| Also, the blade diagram for the relays are correct (above); either solder or shove the wire in the socket for both relays. |
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| biggun |
From PG-3 of the service manual, the diagram identifies (with asterisk and a footnote) that the the fog relay is... "built into the IPDM E/R".
From PG-17 of the service manual, it states the following (with "CAUTION" in RED):
"CAUTION:None of the IPDM E/R-integrated relays can be removed."
After you posted the diagram, I pulled apart my IPDM E/R with my service manual by my side - right before I noticed the above warnings.
I hope you are right and would love to see pictures.
Also, so as I understand it, you operate your fogs with the park lights with this MOD? |
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| k_garten |
| I believe there are integrated relays on the circuit board (soldered to them); however, the relays you see (black squares) are replaceable. The mod allows the fogs to come on with headlights (not running lights) |
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| VonHef |
quote:
Originally posted by biggun
I went cheap and bought the AWD S model. After a week driving it, I loved it and regretted not getting one with more features. So far I upgraded the radio speakers by adding the tweeters in the dash and I've installed a dim mirror with homelink and compass.
I'm trying to upgrade and keep it as stock as possible.
I'm hoping the wires for the fogs are there like the tweeter wires were. The mirror was a different story. I ended up buying the whole kit with wiring harness (OEM, but not from dealer - much much cheaper). Overall, a very easy install for both.
Where did you buy your homelink mirror and wire harness? What is involved in performing this upgrade? What is the cost?
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| biggun |
I got the Gentex 50 model. It is the same as OEM as in the MO. Got it off of ebay from the following link
http://stores.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-US...sQ3amesstQQtZkm
Not sure if he still sells them - but, I highly recommend buying from him if he does. This guy was extremely nice and a A+ ebayer.
Very simple to install - three wires to connect at fuse box: ground, constant, and ignition power. |
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| VonHef |
| Thanks for the suggestion! You stated that you ran the wireing to the fuse box... does that mean that the wireing harnes is not present in the "S" model that the SL & SE has for the mirror? |
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| biggun |
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Originally posted by k_garten
I looked at modifying the physical switch; however, combined with the wiper switch, it provides a 5 input and 5 output (almost digital) signal to the BCM.
Based on the current switch modes, the BCM monitors the 5 lines (cycling through each one every 10ms)
*When you turn your lights on it could take up to 40ms for them to come on. Imperceptible.
The light switch stalk has 8 lines coming out of it. 5 input and 3 output. Based on the schematics you can see the complexity of this setup. Think binary when looking at this.
Bottom line: there is no one to one electrical line being controlled by the individual fog lamp switch section. You would have to physically disassemble it and rig it. It would compromise reliability once this is done.
I haven't given up on this topic since my final install is not complete yet (waiting for warmer weather). After looking at the BCM section of the service manual for the bouillon time I realized that I may have the solution or at least the problem.
Take a look at this image below:
The fog lights are controlled by the switch utilizing Input 4 and Output 5.
Basically, Output 5 provides the power (or pulse). The circuit is closed (linked) when the Fog Switch is turned on - which in turn sends power (or pulse) back to the BCM. The BCM recognizes it and send to IPDM E/R to turn on fogs.
Input 4 is used for: Turn LH, Passing, Headlamp 2 and FR fog all on the Lighting Switch Stalk. Since Input 4 includes the turn signal (Turn LH), we must assume that it is active and all wiring is present.
Output 5 is used for: RR Wiper and the Int Volume 2 on the Wiper Switch Stalk side and the FR Fog (only) for the Lighting Switch Stalk. Since Output 5 includes the rear wiper (RR Wiper), we must assume that it is active and that it is connected to the Wiper Switch Stalk side. However, since Output 5 is only used for the Fog on the Light Switch Stalk, it is possible that Nissan excluded this wire connection (it wouldn't be the first time they have done something like this) to the Light Switch Stalk side.
If it is possible to jump the Output 5 wire to the Light Switch Stalk Output 5 wire location (which I am assuming is not present) then the fogs may be able to operate with the OEM fog lighting switch stalk.
Can anyone identify these wires for me (color/location of Output 5 at BCM, wiper stalk, and light stalk)?
Thanks,
Biggun |
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| k_garten |
| Even if you dissected the switch and jumpered these connections, I'm not sure how well the computer will respond to a 12+ voltage going through the line. It would take some serious modification: |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by k_garten
Even if you dissected the switch and jumpered these connections, I'm not sure how well the computer will respond to a 12+ voltage going through the line. It would take some serious modification:
I agree, but that is not what I am saying.
There are two combination switches, one is the wiper switch and one is the light switch. I believe that the wiper (combination) switch has the Output 5 connected to it, which provides a circuit. The light (combination) switch does not.
If you can feed the circuit with jumper wire it should operate the same.
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| biggun |
I think the jumper would have to be between harness M31 and M32.
see page PG-41 of service manual. |
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| k_garten |
| According to the schematic, output 5 goes through both lighting and wiper switches. Solid dots signify a connection. Also, the lighting switch bridges Output 5 with Input 4 when fog is switched on. |
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| biggun |
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Originally posted by k_garten
According to the schematic...
We know from past experience that Nissan loves to save money on additional wiring (examples: NAV versus non-NAV and the infamous Satellite Radio Harness).
I don't believe that they provided the wire. |
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| Ap0the0sis |
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Originally posted by biggun
sheridan,
2. Connect without switch: Again connect the switch feed directly to the park lights without a switch. This will minimize work of having to pull wire through firewall and eliminate a non OEM switch in your MO. The fogs will operate when you turn on the park lights.
Theoretically k_kardens wiring diagram above will do the same thing. but, the relays are non-removable so you can not get a wire to the relay terminals as shown in his diagram above in his previous post.
Biggun,
Where exactly would you go about connecting this at?
I know k_kardens mod is done in the engine compartment.
Thanks,
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| biggun |
Ap0the0sis,
I haven't done this yet. First, I need to confirm that a signal is being sent from the BCM. I am guessing that I will need to unplug the switch and check for the pulse with a ohms meter. I know the pulses are small but I would imagine that they can be detected with a ohm meter of some sort. Once I confirm that the pulse is there per the Service manual, than I would try to locate the wires near the end of the steering column.
I have been so busy that I have not had time to do much.
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| Ap0the0sis |
Biggun,
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Originally posted by Ap0the0sis
Joey,
When connecting the wire between the 2 relays, i did something wrong because i think i blew my lowbeam light relay becasue now fogs & headlights don't work but my high beams work still. Any suggestions. Did you open up the white part and hookup in side or on the outside next to relays?
Ap0the0sis
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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| Ap0the0sis |
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Originally posted by ucfjoey
Yikes...
I pulled out both relays and stuck the wire in the proper hole and reconnected the relay so the wire would stay stuck.
I used a seperate wire for each relay. Then spilced the two together.
You can test each wire by connecting them to ground (any metal screw) and it should light up your low lights or your fogs depending on which wire you are testing with.
Once they are spliced together it should light up both lights simultaneously when you turn on your headlamps from inside the car.
Good luck.
Can anyone help,
So i treid again this morning and the wire test works on any metal screw with both wires, fogs and lowbeams work but when i put them together nothing works. So i pulled both wires out and tested my lowbeams and nothing. Do I have to ground these wires to a metal screw? & Why don't the headlights come on like normal any more? :confused: Like before I attempted this Mod. I've also noticed that when i attached the wires to test the low beams & fogs and it worked the lowbeams are now on with the parking lights(which i believe the parking lights are the first setting on the light stalk switch which turn on the front park, side marker, tail, license plate & instrumnet panel lights). Please advise, thanks for all your help.
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| biggun |
Well, I finally connected my fogs.
I ended up adding an aftermarket wire harness. I slightly modified it and have direct power from the battery. The switch wire is connected from the relay to the marker lamp wire on the front headlights. So, when I turn on my parklights, the fogs come on. They stay on when I switch to the headlights as well.
Overall, I really am happy with this setup. The best part was that I didn't have to penetrate my firewall. The fogs turn on with the OEM stalk in conjunction with my parklights. I also ended up figuring out how to do a clean tap to the battery. I placed mine below the bolt on the fused connection - can't even see it.
Hope this helps out someone else with this frustration.
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| Livin |
I've read this entire thread (+ searched several others) and cannot find the answers to some of the info in the first post on this thread...
Where is the info for these...
* 4 way seat convert to the 8 way with 2 DPDT (on)-off-(on) rocker switches
* Rear 12v socket missing - I think power is already there! I may buy a 12v socket for this (next mod).
* is adding Autolamps and delayed lamps possible on the S (I'm not concerned with fog lamps)?
Thanks for the help! There is too much mixed topic threads and no good index/stickies for most of the valuable topics in this board. Frustrating for a new person trying to learn about the MO. |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by Livin
I've read this entire thread (+ searched several others) and cannot find the answers to some of the info in the first post on this thread...
Where is the info for these...
* 4 way seat convert to the 8 way with 2 DPDT (on)-off-(on) rocker switches
* Rear 12v socket missing - I think power is already there! I may buy a 12v socket for this (next mod).
* is adding Autolamps and delayed lamps possible on the S (I'm not concerned with fog lamps)?
Thanks for the help! There is too much mixed topic threads and no good index/stickies for most of the valuable topics in this board. Frustrating for a new person trying to learn about the MO.
Livin,
I completely understand where you are coming from, but don't get frustrated.
The problem is that no one, until now, has wanted to do those mods or have clearly asked the question in a post with the title.
I would suggest that you post your question with a clear title. Example, "How to convert 4 way seat to the 8 way in S model - help!" Explain what you have found in other threads and post link.
I know someone will help you out and we can even request that it become a sticky. Unfortunately that person is not me.
If you haven't already, I would suggest that you first down the service manual from Nissan. That may help you answer some of your questions, like the power outlet. If the power is not back there, you can easily tap in from the front and extend it to the back. As far as the autolights go, the answer is "no".
Welcome to the forum, which is the best out there.
Good Luck and again, don't get frustrated. Not everyone reads every post, so you may need to just ask your question more than once.
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| biggun |
Livin,
I checked the service manual. Check the back of your Mo. If it has the harness identified as B30 yoour golden, just tap into it. See pic below. The harness is grey (I think) with two wires, black.
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by ben805
someone did a complete install of the fog lights, multi-switch, and the whole nine-yard here:
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/224517
It could be possible that Nissan standardized the BCM throughout all models for 2006 or k-garten screwed up somewhere along the lines of the install that preventing them from working properly. It could also be possible that not installing the light sensor could of effected something as well. The only way to find out is to try. |
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| jaymurano |
Biggun,
What you mentioned happened almost exactly to me. I got the S model and now I regret I did not get the nice features that you have with the SL....
anyway could you please tell me what OEM dimming mirror with homelink you got? where did you buy it? did you install it yourself? I am not too good at installing things so I am not so sure where I can get it installed after buying it to say something in Ebay.
If somebody else have a good experince with one model please let me know. I will like to have compass with the rear dimming mirror as well but the ones I have seen go around $300.....
thanks
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| k_garten |
Maybe they did get smart and standardize the 2006 models? Maybe to accommodate adding fog lamps as an option? Or maybe I and 3 different techs at 3 different Nissan dealerships missed something?
Has anyone else with a 2005 'S' been successful or are these owners just hosed?
Well in any case it doesn't matter to me anymore. I've traded the Murano for an FX35..... |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by jaymurano
Biggun,
What you mentioned happened almost exactly to me. I got the S model and now I regret I did not get the nice features that you have with the SL....
anyway could you please tell me what OEM dimming mirror with homelink you got? where did you buy it? did you install it yourself? I am not too good at installing things so I am not so sure where I can get it installed after buying it to say something in Ebay.
If somebody else have a good experince with one model please let me know. I will like to have compass with the rear dimming mirror as well but the ones I have seen go around $300.....
thanks
Jay
1. What OEM dimming mirror with homelink you got? - see page 4 of this thread
2. where did you buy it? - see page 4 of this thread
3. Did you install it yourself? - yes
4. I am not too good at installing things so I am not so sure where I can get it installed after buying it to say something in Ebay.- this link from Courtesy Nissan for the 350Z has step by step instructions on how to install. The 350Z mirror is the same as in the Mo and the install is very similar.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/instruct/350Z-RVMIR_1.html |
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| jaymurano |
Thanks!!!
quote:
Originally posted by biggun
1. What OEM dimming mirror with homelink you got? - see page 4 of this thread
2. where did you buy it? - see page 4 of this thread
3. Did you install it yourself? - yes
4. I am not too good at installing things so I am not so sure where I can get it installed after buying it to say something in Ebay.- this link from Courtesy Nissan for the 350Z has step by step instructions on how to install. The 350Z mirror is the same as in the Mo and the install is very similar.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/instruct/350Z-RVMIR_1.html
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| mgthe3 |
Read this
You don't need a switch. Connect the switch side of the relay to your parking lamps if you want them on without headlights.
The set I bought came with factory wiring harness... for an Altima, BUT works cleanly in the Mo. |
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| biggun |
Similar to mgthe3, I had my fogs tapped into the park lights. It made for a simpler install and did not require going through the firewall.
Unfortunately, every time I locked, unlocked, or remote started my Mo the figs would blink with the parks. This may have caused one of my bulbs to fail, which I replaced. So, I decided to add a switch next to the AWD switch on the center console.
Overall, I am happy with the install. If you were not familiar with the Mo, you would think it was OEM. The penetration through the firewall was much simpler than I originally though.
I will try to post some picts of install if anyone is interested.
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| biggun |
Attached are my FOG switch install pictures.
This pic shows me snaking the opening I created with my dremel. I opened the kickpanel to get access on the bottom.
This photo shows were I grounded my switch.
This last photo shows the final product. The scratched were there prioviously when I installed the PAC unit and removed the stereo. I tried to cover most with my location selection. Notice how close the light matches the interior.
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| biggun |
One more pic. Test fit after dremel work.
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