| Mr3Putt |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanlove
i think it's just the fact that the SE suspension is different. we've had the MO for just over a year now and we still have not done an alignment yet so that could also be the problem.
Ya know..... I just put my tires on a few weeks ago. I took them to a friend/client who has a wonderful car repair facility.
I asked him to install/balance and also do an alignment.
At 39,500 miles, he checked the alignment and said said that it was just fine. No adjustment needed.
I hit lots of potholes....at speed.
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by nissanlove
well i figured out the cause of the feathering... for some reason all 4 tires dropped in pressure by 4psi... no wonder the ride was really soft and cushy. so now i've inflated the fronts up to 35 and the rears to 33 and if feels much better again... the ride is again a bit stiffer in the front but not too much.
Usually feathering on one side of the tire is due to a bad toe setting. I suppose underinflation could add to it, but that usually leads to equal outer wear on both sides of the tire, not just to one side. If you had inner tire wear, I would suspect camber. |
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| nissanlove |
| i checked it out and there is some feathering on the inner edge also, not as prominent on the outer edge, i'll keep the pressure under locks and see if the wear evens out. but then the rears would also be feather and they aren't so it must be to much toe in. |
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| twelsh |
...(to get this thread back on track)...
Okay a month has gone by now and I just wanted to post an update about my new Michellin Crossterrains:
These tires are AWESOME! Seriously, I'm not just blowing smoke, the MI's are really nice, much better tires than the original GY's. I don't know why the Murano doesn't come with these. The handling is much more precise, the cornering is hugely better (I especially like the lack of squeal around corners), despite the aggressive sidewall the road noise is actually now less than my balding GY's, and I don't worry when it starts raining that I'm going to slide off the road. I can't wait to see how they handle in the snow (I was never worried in the snow with any AWD car I've owned until I got the Murano, I just thought the problem was the car). I was going to sell my Mo once the 36k warranty was up and get an X3 like my wife, but now, I don't want/need to. Seriously, these tires have completely changed my outlook about this car. One thing I should mention though, I increased the pressure to 36 psi all around (I like a firm ride) and that, plus almost a 1000 miles of wear, I think made a lot of difference, especially in the road noise.
Whoever at Nissan thought that a 4000 lb SUV should be shod with mushy passenger tires should be tarred and feathered... |
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| jeffil1965 |
Thanks MyBlueMO for those pics of your CTs. I noticed the tread
as it wraps around the edge is different than what is pictured
on Mich's web. Where did you purchase tires? |
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| hfelknor |
Yes there is different edge tread and lettering available under the same part numbers.
Just got back from Micky's where they discovered they had 3 tires with a serrated edge and 1 tire without.
The people at the Michelin warehouse were clueless.
They never saw a difference and are questioning that there IS a difference,
Thankfully, the installer noticed the difference.
Mickey had to send a guy to the Warehouse to pick up 4 matching tires.
Probably won't get my car back today.
Not a very auspicious start to my Michelin odyssey.
Seems like Michelin, like so many other firms today, doesn't have a clue. What a crock.
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| Kris |
| Wow! And I thought it was just me that could not get the tires and service right.... |
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| hfelknor |
OK. Initial impression and a warning.
The tire is very quiet. Certainly in the same league as the GY.
It is very smooth, tho this of course is aided and abetted by the Hunter Road Force balance. (If you don't get a Road Force balance, you will never know what your tires can do.)
INITIAL indications, using ONLY the Computer readout, is that I have about half my MPG back from the Bridgestones. Now getting about 23 MPG at 75 MPH, using the readout. Of course, I didn't expect to get it all back. Wouldn't have gotten it all back even with new Goodyears. Treaded tires have more rolling resistance than well worn tires. I will have to wait for a for a road trip to get any more accurate (manual method of MPG computation).
Also will have to wait until the tire is broken in to get impressions of handling .Tire will "gas" for the first couple of hundred miles.
Warning:
These tires Michelin Cross Terrain 235/65-18 Blackwall, under the same part number, can come with TWO different edge tread patterns.
I know. When the Tire guy looked at the tires, he noticed that 1 was different. But only on the edge.
(The labeling on the sides is somewhat different in style also)
They had to go over to the warehouse and show the Michelin guys there (Who did not believe the Tire guy).
I now have 4 matched tires with what we have chosen to call, the "serrated" edge
Homer
Here is a picture of the Serrated edge. |
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| njjoe |
Homer-
Thanx for your review of the situation. Your reviews always appear to be objective and unbiased. I appreciate your candor.
Out of curiosity, why did you stay with the stock size?
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| Kris |
Homer.
what pressure are you running?
What is the ride quality?
How the handling compares to GDY?
As yo I think I would stick with OEM size. Somehow this make sense to me. The CT seem to have thread on the sidewalls. How does it look? I prefer a smooth look of a tire on Murano....This is not a truck...
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| hfelknor |
joe, I went back down to the OEM size because I believe a high percentage of the "lost" MPG was caused by the wider footprint (265mm) of the Bridgestone tire.
Kris, as I have said, it is a quiet tire.
I am running 33 pounds right at the moment. That is what I ran with the GYs. Might have to go up a couple of pounds for max handling (just like folks did w/the GYs)
It rides OK. Very soft actually.
It handles OK on the dry. Won't push it yet.
I "think" I have regained about half of the "lost" MPG.
I have yet to search out a rough road, (All tires should ride well on smooth roads)
I have yet to encounter rain.
The tires are still gassing.
Kris, as to looks, looks are subjective. Very Subjective. Read my last post under "Comparisons". Some thought the Chevy was the ugliest thing ever. Some thought it looked like a Murano, which of course is beautiful.
Looks are subjective.
Since they don't have raised white letters, or white oulined letters, they look like "tires" to me.
They take up the same amount of space in the wheelwell and the footprint is equal.
They are black. From across the street you cannot tell if they are OEM or not.
I have driven far more performnance vehicles than most people. After all, they were my favorites and I am older than most around here.
And on these performance cars, I ran performance tires.
Performance tires usually look the part. There is always a fair amount of testosterone mixed in with the rubber.
And, the cars look right with matching tires.
Now, the Murano.
Many people call it an SUV. You know that.
They call it an SUV because it LOOKS like an SUV.
Putting SUV tires on it, does nothing to hurt the LOOKS of the Murano.
Honestly, from 10 feet away, most people don't even notice tires unless they are outrageous.
These may not be as nondescript as the GYs, but they don't shout either.
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| chengka |
Hello,
My 2003 needs new shoes after just 35000. I am not crazy about the GY in the wet and snow, so I'm looking around. It seems the Yokohamas and Michelin are the most discussed alternatives for my climate. Costco has the whitewall for $159+tax and $30 more for blackwall. I asked the guy is you can just flip the whitewall inside and he said yes, but that the little white barcode does not really come off. Am I being snowed?
Also, Costco seems to have the less serrated version. Has anyone come to a conclusion as to which is better for the Mo?
Thanks guys..
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| Mr3Putt |
quote:
Originally posted by chengka
Hello,
My 2003 needs new shoes after just 35000. I am not crazy about the GY in the wet and snow, so I'm looking around. It seems the Yokohamas and Michelin are the most discussed alternatives for my climate. Costco has the whitewall for $159+tax and $30 more for blackwall. I asked the guy is you can just flip the whitewall inside and he said yes, but that the little white barcode does not really come off. Am I being snowed?
Also, Costco seems to have the less serrated version. Has anyone come to a conclusion as to which is better for the Mo?
Thanks guys..
Ken
Welcome aboard Ken.
I have the Michelins with the white lettering. Is that what you mean by whitewall?
Mine are turned so that the "blackwall" is facing out. It is still lettered, just not painted letters.
I just looked, I see no barcode. Nor, do I remember ever seeing a visible barcode.
As far as the tires go, I like them alot better than the Goodyears, especially in the rain. |
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| hasaanbhutta |
ok guys, got a question for all you.... even though i have my mo for more than 2 yrs but never had to ask this question before.... so anyways,
i am at 51,000 KM. should i consider tire replacements right now ? (before winter)
we had snowfall last night and this morning i felt MO slipping at the intersections.... (i.e. where there is more ICE as compared to other parts of roads)
i checked out Costco here and they are giving out Michelin Cross-Terrains at 229$ minus 15$ per tire.
all inputs appreciated !! |
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| parry |
Costco in Canada carries this tire but one difference I found is that the Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tire in 235/65/18 104
S and not 104T
What do these T and S mean? Should I care? |
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| hfelknor |
The 104 is a load rating.
The S & T are speed ratings for sustained speeds.
the S is 112
The T is 118
The Murano is capable of <>118 MPH.
But I don't know anybody stupid enuf to drive a car at top speed in a sustained fashion.
IMO the S is adequate.
The T would be better but they don't make the 235/65-18 CT in a T.
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| parry |
| Thx for a speedy response. That helps |
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| hyper |
| I just put on Michelin Crossterrain 235/65/18 this week. No big difference in road noise and the tires seem to feel better than the GY's. That just may be my pocketbook talking though. Had our first snow in the mountains this last week and would not expect anymore than super grip with brand new tires. Except I remember when the GY's were new also and the Michelin's are way better I think. The GY's were like all other GY's I have ever bought....way too soft and wear out way too fast. I would recommend the Michelin's with no problem. |
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| parry |
quote:
Originally posted by hyper
I just put on Michelin Crossterrain 235/65/18 this week. No big difference in road noise and the tires seem to feel better than the GY's. That just may be my pocketbook talking though. Had our first snow in the mountains this last week and would not expect anymore than super grip with brand new tires. Except I remember when the GY's were new also and the Michelin's are way better I think. The GY's were like all other GY's I have ever bought....way too soft and wear out way too fast. I would recommend the Michelin's with no problem.
Did u get them from costco? Care to share the all inclusive cost and from where? |
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| mrkapp |
| I just picked up a set of these on Tuesday. Michelin Crossterrain SUV in stock size. I thought it may be time to replace since I just hit 51,200 on my stock LS on my 03 MO. I didn't have a single problem with the Ls', snow, rain, nothing. In fact I probably could have gotten another 2-3 months out of them if it wasn't for all this rain and chances of light snow. My overall impression of the Mich. is great. They look great on the Mo. A little meatier tread design doesn't look out of place at all. They seem to find little grooves in the roads Ive noticed and it sorta feels wavy at times but I just figured they needed to be broken in. From what I can tell, they handle very well in the rain. (Wife's car) I guess now all I can hope for is great snow ability. I got the set mounted, balanced along with lifetime road-hazard (free replacement, rotation, etc..) for 615$ at Team Tires Plus. So far I'm happy having chosen the Michelin's. I took the MO in for an oil change the next day (dealer) and the service manager seemed to notice as soon as I pulled in. She was telling me all the horror stories they've been through with the LS' and how everyone hated them. I told her I hit over 52K on my stocks and she could'nt believe it. I appreciate all who contributes to these threads, it's how I made my decision! Until reading this and seeing the overviews, I was dead set on the Yoko Geolanders... Thanks guys:4: |
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| chengka |
I was at Costco yesterday, so I thought I would check on my tires. Even though I had not received an email, they had arrived. I asked if I could see them before they we installed, because I don't think I want the "serrated" version. It turns out, 3 were serrated and one was not. Even more strange, the one was incorrectly labeled. It was a 17" tire! I had a conversation with the tire technician. He says the 235/65-18 are all serrated. Based on what I have read here, I don't think he's correct. I had ordered the black lettered and he advised that I return them and get the white lettered for $20 less. Even at $20 less, the serrated ones look like truck tires to me.
I returned them and now I am confused as to how I should proceed. Has anyone seen a correlation between the side lettering and the serrated edge? I can order the white's at Costco and return them again, but I don't want to waste their time or mine. Is Discount more likely to have a say in which version they receive?
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| nissanlove |
| personally i've seen a silver MO with white letters and serrated edges and it looked great. not too trucky or agressive at all and the serrated edges could only provide more grip in inclement weather. |
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| chengka |
I was on my way back to Costco to order another set, when I decided to try my local Discount Tire. I have had good experiences there and they are closer. Discount beat Costco by a few dollars, so I ordered a set.
They arrived yesterday and I was sad to see that darn serrated edge. Again, they assured me they are great tires and that the 18" tread pattern is like that. I let them install them and when I arrived, I felt like I was walking up to a '91 Pathfinder. It looks like a truck tire to me. After driving them to lunch, I decided I needed to go back and talk to them. They again said it was the only pattern, even after I showed them printouts from this site. He even called Michelin, surprise surprise I think you know what they said. Then they offered an explanation that some people have 17" on the MO. Whatever, I asked them to order a set of Whites to see what they look like. Interestingly, the White is more than the Black at Discount and visa-versa at Costco.
The saga continues. |
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| parry |
quote:
Originally posted by chengka
I was on my way back to Costco to order another set, when I decided to try my local Discount Tire. I have had good experiences there and they are closer. Discount beat Costco by a few dollars, so I ordered a set.
They arrived yesterday and I was sad to see that darn serrated edge. Again, they assured me they are great tires and that the 18" tread pattern is like that. I let them install them and when I arrived, I felt like I was walking up to a '91 Pathfinder. It looks like a truck tire to me. After driving them to lunch, I decided I needed to go back and talk to them. They again said it was the only patter, even after I showed them printouts from this site. He even called Michelin, surprise surprise I think you know what they said. Then they offered an explanation that some people have 17" on the MO. Whatever, I asked them to order a set of Whites to see what they look like. Interestingly, the White is more than the Black at Discount and visa-versa at Costco.
The saga continues.
Interesting..let us know your findings |
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| Arturo |
| I just got my new michelin tires ( 235/65/18/104S) at costco and im not sure if i like the way they look, for some reason they look smaller. i wonder if the 235/65/18/104T are a litlle taller. the ride feels a bit smoother though. I will post some picks latter |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Arturo
I just got my knew michelin tires ( 235/65/18/104S) at costco and im not sure if i like the way they look, for some reason they look smaller. i wonder if the 235/65/18/104T are a litlle taller. the ride feels a bit smoother though. I will post some picks latter
The larger letters on the sidewall probably give the illusion of a smaller sidewall, and thereby a less substantial tire. Its probably even a little larger than you old GYs given that these have full tread. |
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| hfelknor |
As to the different tread edges.
I do not know about the White Outlines. That is to say, i do not know what tread edge comes w the white outlined tires.....or if both styles come with the whites.
But.
I do know that somebody is blowing smoke if they say that the different tread edge comes only with a 17" tire.
I had all 4 MOUNTED and, I have (Surprise!) 18" wheels. Yep! All 4 of them. And one of them was the smooth side. I ended up with 4 matching serrated edges and they look good IMO.
I now have about 500 miles on the CTs and can tell you that
the dry traction is awesome and saved my family from a bad accident a couple of days ago in Sarasota. A young girl in a small red car (Japanese econobox of some sort) was talking on her cell phone. She was driving in the left lane of a 4 lane road (University Road exiting Sarasota) And I was driving in the right lane.
She decided to change lanes and just drove right over me. Or she would have.... I YANKED the wheel at the last minute and took it on the shoulder (at 50MPH) and she missed me by about 1 inch.
The tires screeched a bit, but the turn was like I was on rails.
BTW She never saw me. She had no idea that she nearly killed all of us.
The wet traction finally got a work out last week, Fairly heavy rain (!/2" in 1 hour) and the car is much better at 70MPH in the rain than it ever was with the Goodyears. The Goodyears were always on the verge of hydroplaning at 70, and I had to back off to maybe 60.
The only bad news is the MPG.
Coming back from Ft Lauderdale today, I filled up with premium as usual at the east end of Alligator alley, set the cruise on 75 and proceeded to the west end of the Alley at Naples, and on to Ft Myers exit on the interstate and filled up again. It took 5.4 gallons for 117 miles.
21.7 MPG.
This represents a slight gain over the Bridgestones that I tried, but still represents a MAJOR loss of MPG vs the worn Goodyears. I always got at least 24.3 MPG with the GYs at 75 MPH on the interstate.
I can only give props to GY for building a very nice, quiet, good dry traction, Low Rolling resistance tire.
Of course a WORN tire, with all other things being equal, will provide better MPG than a fresh High Tread tire. So I would guess that as the CTs wear out the MPG would improve slightly.
I am quite upset at the AMOUNT of penalty that is being extracted by the CTs, but otherwise I like the tire.
It is simply safer than the GY.
Of course, I cannot comment on
1- snow characteristics (Would expect it to be better than the GY due to more aggressive tread, but without driving it in snow I have no comment)
2- Treadlife.
Would I reco the tire?
Yes, with the MPG caveat.........which would be the same for most other tires IMO.
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| nissanlove |
| check out the tread ware rating on the side of your CT's homer, the rating on the goodyears is 300 i'm pretty sure(someone correct me if i'm wrong) if the CT's have a rating any higher than that they are sure to last longer. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanlove
check out the tread ware rating on the side of your CT's homer, the rating on the goodyears is 300 i'm pretty sure(someone correct me if i'm wrong) if the CT's have a rating any higher than that they are sure to last longer.
Possibly, or not. Manufacturers use their own rating scale for the treadwear rating, so you can really compare with the same brand. For example, a Michelin with a 100 rating will wear twice as quickly as one with a 200 rating, but you cannot compare two tires with 200 rating if they are say, a Goodyear and a Michelin. But its probably pretty close. |
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| chengka |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
Possibly, or not. Manufacturers use their own rating scale for the treadwear rating, so you can really compare with the same brand. For example, a Michelin with a 100 rating will wear twice as quickly as one with a 200 rating, but you cannot compare two tires with 200 rating if they are say, a Goodyear and a Michelin. But its probably pretty close.
I don't think that is correct. It's called a UTQG and tires with the same rating should wear approximately the same for a given driver and vehicle. Here is some information. FYI the Crossterrain in MO size is rated at 420. I do not have the GY rating handy. |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by chengka
I don't think that is correct. It's called a UTQG and tires with the same rating should wear approximately the same for a given driver and vehicle. Here is some information. FYI the Crossterrain in MO size is rated at 420. I do not have the GY rating handy.
Straight from your wiki link:
Higher treadwear numbers indicate that the tread of a tire, and hence the tire itself, should last longer, although this is more true within a single product line than when comparing the product lines of different manufacturers. |
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| hfelknor |
I actually like these statements better...... from the same wiki page.
"The ability of manufacturers to report their own numbers makes comparison of treadwear ratings between companies useless. Ratings may still be useful within a manufacturer's own line of tires. For example, a customer can reasonably assume that the higher treadwear rating on a Dunlop SP 60 means it will last longer than the Dunlop SP Sport."
I think "useless" pretty much describes the numbers in comparison shopping between brands. :D
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| njjoe |
I also believe the Marketing department has the final say in the UTQG. If they want to "pad" the UTQC number to enhance the saleability of the tire, who's to stop them?
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| Arturo |
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Originally posted by Arturo
I just got my knew michelin tires ( 235/65/18/104S) at costco and im not sure if i like the way they look, for some reason they look smaller. i wonder if the 235/65/18/104T are a litlle taller. the ride feels a bit smoother though. I will post some picks latter
I've been driving with the michelins and I really like them. I had second thoughts ones I had them put on but now im very satisfied with them, the ride is a lot smoother and it handles well in wet weather, will see how they handle in the snow.
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| wxman |
I had a set of Michelin Cross-terrain 235/65/18 tires installed at Costco on Friday. They replaced the stock GY Eagle LS w/ 38000 miles. Here are my initial impressions:
Costco Ordering:
- No problems. Ordered the tires on Costco.com on 10/29. Delivered to the store on 11/2 and were the correct style (blackwalls).
Costco Service:
- Very good. I was first in line on Friday morning 11/10 (Federal Holiday) so I didn't have to wait all day. There was 15 people in line when the shop opened at 10 am. The vehicle was ready in about 2 hours (I left the vehicle and returned later). Inflated the tires to the correct pressure and TPMS was operating properly.
Michelin Tire:
- Much better than the GY Eagle LS. Rider was smoother and considerably quieter. Wife even noticed how much quieter the ride was on our trip to Nashville this past weekend. Gas mileage improved slightly. Would recommend these tires over the GY Eagle LS when it is time to purchase new tires.
This was a very pleasant experience...I will give an update after my Thanksgiving road trip to SE PA. |
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| tinapetel |
Has anyone considered or tried the 275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain SUV ? The Diameter is nearly the same. The width is 1.1" more.
Time to get the Goodyear's off mine at 42,000 miles.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can give me.
Pete
275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain SUV
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2271 lbs.
35 psi
11/32"
36 lbs.
7.5-9.5"
7.5"
10.5" Width
NA
30.1" Dia.
691 RPM
235/65 TR18 Goodyear Eagle LS
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1984 lbs.
44 psi
10/32"
34 lbs.
6.5-8.5"
7"
9.4" Width
NA
30" Dia.
698 RPM
Update at 35,000 miles on 275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain.
Very pleased with driving on these tires.
Very comfortable compared to OEM Goodyears. Quite at first, but now VERY NOISY. A lot of tread left, looks like they will go to 50k or 60k miles. Very good in snow. I bought "Over sized" as I pull a 3500# travel trailer (20k of 35k miles pulling trailer). The gross weight of loaded car and loaded trailer is 8100#. I run the tires at 35# when loaded and 31# unloaded. I have never felt less than confident about the tire's handling on curves, crosswinds, and slippery roads with and without the trailer. |
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| Eric L. |
| Why not just go with the OEM size 235/65/18? Sure the 275's would fit, but they would kind of bulge out the sides of the 7.5" rims. |
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| hyper |
| I have to agree with staying with the OEM size. Why cause any grief that may come from not installing the proper sized tires for the wheels unless you are changing those as well. I have been running the Michelin Crossterrain's now for a month and they are great. The weather today was -14C and we had overnight snow. Needless to say the morning traffic was horrible with slipping and sliding and accident's everywhere. The crossterrains were super responsive and dug in very well. But even better...they stopped when they were suppose to! They have very minimal road noise on dry pavement and track very well. Don't hesitate to buy the Michelin's that fit. |
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| nissanlove |
i must be insane to be using the goodyears as winter treads(don't have the cashola for true winter tires at the moment) we've have about 15 cm of snow in the last 3 days(10 cm today) and of course the goodyears were absolutely rediculous. everytime i'd give it some more gas the back end would drift out and the VDC would engage(thank god for the VDC i dunno how we managed with a misaligned suspension, goodyears, and no vdc on our 03 Mo) anyways, what i'm leading up to from reading all the reviews, if you want to stay stock size and want superior all season performance(with high emphasis on good winter traction) the cross terrains are your best bet.
PS: CAN'T WAIT TO WEAR OUT THE GOODYEARS!!!! |
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| hfelknor |
Musta been a dream....
I thunked that you were running Bridgestones and recommending them very highly........and now you are running GYs?
wuzzup?
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| parry |
| So where are you guys getting Michelin's from? I mean the best price? How much you paid all inclusive? |
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| nissanlove |
| haha homer i HIGHLY recommend the bridgestone hp sports as summer tires(which they are for me). the goodyears are on my stock rims which i use for the winter. i recommend the michelins as an all-season tire. |
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| chengka |
End of my Crossterrain saga.
I've tried 3 sets of black lettered and white lettered, and I never saw the non-serrated edge. One theory is that they discontinued the others when they moved to the new sidewall look. The Michellin Man is the new look. Mr Discount Tire said "at least you will have the new sidewall and if you need a replacement, I can match it". I have decided to stop worrying and just enjoy the Michellins.
I paid $560 before tax at Discount Tire after they did a Costco price match and the $60 Costco "rebate".
My impressions in dry are favorable, compared to the GY. To be fair, I bought my MO with 23k, so I never drove new GY. I find the Michellin much more abrupt at turn in, but I get less feedback on hard sweeping turns. Not that it's a sports car, but it's certainly not my Windstar! Along the same line, the Michellins stay on the road more too. The car used to hop over expansion joints on corners and now seems more in contact with the road.
No snow yet, but GY were pretty weak in the snow, so Michellin doesn't have to do much to better them.
My first tank of gas may have been 40 miles shorter. I hope that improves.
GY looks much better. Sorry, these look like truck tires to me.
Looks aside, I would recommend them. |
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| RJ_04SE |
New member here - Like to share my experience
Replaced all 4 tires on my 04 SE AWD with Michellin Crossterrain in 235/65/18 at Costco after 39K miles on Goodyears which still had plenty tread left and would have lasted till 50K. Not happy with wet traction on the GY's so when i found a good deal on Costco, decided to get the Crossterrain's. I did go through all posts in this thread which helped me with the decision to get Crossterrain's and to stick with 235/65/18 since i did not want to risk a lower mpg ( i drive a lot )
Got the tires with Raised White lettering at $159 per tire installed price since the cost was $20 cheaper per tire as compared to regular Blackwall tires. Total cost i beleive for 4 tires installed was about 618 after $60 discount and all taxes and fees. Tires were installed with White lettering facing inside which is pretty much not visible now. Looks wise i like these better than GY's but not much different.
I've driven few hundred miles on new tires and my impression so far is that these tires are quieter than GY's, handle slightly better and have much better wet traction. Gas mileage is down by about 1 or 2 mpg. With sports suspension in SE I used to feel jolts and bounce over highway expansion joints which have been pretty much taken care with new tires. Actually i felt these were little too soft so i've increased the tire pressure to 36 psi and now these feel just right to me. Much more enjoyable drive on freeways now with jolts being smoothened out and car feels better connected to road. Increased PSI may help a bit with mpg. Overall i'm very satisfied with these tires on my SE. Plan to take a loooong road trip this winter on the Murano. |
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| zelmosan |
Michelin CrossTerrain 275/55/18
I now have about 8,000 miles on four new Michelin Cross Terrain
275/55/18 on the factory alloy rims. I changed from the factory Goodyears at about 44,000 miles on my 2wd 2004 MO SL.
I have to say the Michelin plus zero 275/55/18 are really great running tires. There is no clearance problems what so ever with this fatter tire. The only negative I can note is the fuel mileage is about 1 mpg less, now running at 21.5 mpg. The 275/55/18 should have been the factory size tire. I frequently travel up and down I-77 through the mountains and this Michelin set up is really more sure-footed on wet and dry roads. Winding around 18 wheelers down hill at slightly faster than the speed limit is no longer a white knuckle drive. I can now relax and turn up the tunes.
The 235/65/18 Michelin Cross Terrain tires were not yet available when I needed to change the Goodyears. I am glad I settled on the 275/55/18.
Remember, good tire maintenance requires frequent air pressure checks on cold tires and tire rotation at 7,500 miles.
Rock on.......................... |
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| parry |
| Is it okay to put the white lettered one turned inside out? Does it not affect its life or tread out of its normal rotation cycle? |
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| hfelknor |
quote:
Originally posted by parry
Is it okay to put the white lettered one turned inside out? Does it not affect its life or tread out of its normal rotation cycle?
It's OK. The CT is not an asymmetrical tire. Neither is it unidirectional.
You can mount it any which way.
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| parry |
| I went to Costco today to get my tires checked. The guy said that the front tires are showing 5 on his measuring scale. The rear one's are showing 6 on his measuring scale. He said I could go thru the winter and get them changed in the spring. For now, maybe I could get the tires rotation to get the better one's in front for the winter. Can anyone comment if this would be safe to do so or should I change the tires now? |
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| XOC |
| Has anyone instaled the CrossTerraines lately. I have an '03 SE AWD and need tires. I would like to go with these, but I would not like my SE to hit the bumps any harder than it already does. Any experience? |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by XOC
Has anyone instaled the CrossTerraines lately. I have an '03 SE AWD and need tires. I would like to go with these, but I would not like my SE to hit the bumps any harder than it already does. Any experience?
I don't think there are more comfortable tires for the MO than the stock Eagle LS's. The Crossterrain is an SUV tire, not a car tire. |
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| craigster |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
I don't think there are more comfortable tires for the MO than the stock Eagle LS's. The Crossterrain is an SUV tire, not a car tire.
I disagree about the comfort.
I replaced the GY with the Cross Terrains and found that the ride improved, as did traction in wet/snow, noticeably. They do have a more "serrated" edge to the tread but this is only visible close up. With the SE suspension's firmness, I wanted something to help ease it a bit. Handling was not affected at all and highway noise is quite low. The Michelin's are OEM on a couple of other higher end SUVs already. I have had great success with Michelin and these are just fine.
And what is the real clinical difference between a car tire and an SUV tire anyways? If it has a proper load rating and is not restricted for any reason, then who cares? |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by craigster
And what is the real clinical difference between a car tire and an SUV tire anyways? If it has a proper load rating and is not restricted for any reason, then who cares?
C-
A "car tire" is usually one that has a softer, more compliant ride as compared to an "SUV tire" or "light truck" tire. It is usually manufactured with a bias towards ride comfort.
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| SIM |
I have tested many tires in my previous job (I tested new cars for magazines here in Quebec) and I always found Michelin tires to give a softer ride than GYs.
Especially the LT tires where the Wrangler is no match to just about anything else. |
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| Eric L. |
| As tires age, the rubber tends to harden, and ride quality deteriorates. As such, one cannot compare the ride quality of new Michelins with worn out Goodyears. While the Crossterrains fall into a "comfortable SUV tire" category, I'm not sure they are softer than brand new Goodyear Eagle LS's. But to each their own. |
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| craigster |
Eric - interesting point of view on these tires. Have you actually ridden on them?
I see you are running Geolanders which are classified as a Sport truck All Season Tire. Are these so called truck tires not harder too?
When one compares the Goodyears to the Geolanders and the Cross Terrains on Tirerack, the Geolanders AND the Michelins significantly outperform the GY in nearly all categories - and are amazingly similar to each other. My experience with the Michelins is they are indeed superior to the GY - and a little more money, but worth it. |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by craigster
Eric - interesting point of view on these tires. Have you actually ridden on them?
I see you are running Geolanders which are classified as a Sport truck All Season Tire. Are these so called truck tires not harder too?
When one compares the Goodyears to the Geolanders and the Cross Terrains on Tirerack, the Geolanders AND the Michelins significantly outperform the GY in nearly all categories - and are amazingly similar to each other. My experience with the Michelins is they are indeed superior to the GY - and a little more money, but worth it.
The Geolandars ride more harshly than the Goodyears, but a soft ride was not my objective when I purchased the Murano. I picked the MO because it had better handling than the Highlander and Pilot, and usually better handling comes at the expense of a firm ride. The Yokohamas have better traction than the Goodyears (especially in rain and snow), so I have been very happy with them.
For what its worth, I would pick the Crossterrains over the Goodyears anyday, because as you say, they appear to perform significantly better according to Tirerack's survey. However the question above was on ride quality (some folks care less about overall handling and like a soft ride), and I still think the Goodyears have the best ride quality, since the point of that tire is a comfortable carlike ride. |
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| flmur03 |
Wow guys ,
Thanks all of you for great feed back. a lady could be lost without this site. Decided on Michellins. But now questions.
Have a Blue 03 Sl.
1- White letters showing or not showing? Nissanlove I heard you say you saw one with white letters showing and serrated and looked nice. But that was a silver one. So on the blue is the only way to go with black or the white not showing. Or would the white letters showing look terrible? Dont laugh guys:)
2- Serrated Edge or not? (depending on what I can get)
3 And Ome size better ? Yes?
Thanks ordering tires tomorrow. Going with Cts just get better traction in the rain. In Fl we get a bunch in summer as a torrential down pour is happening right now!! I know Eric/ Kris like the comfort of GYs but the extra traction of Cts would make me feel safer. Thanks guys await your answers.
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| Eric L. |
| For the CT's, the OEM size would probably be the best option. I'd go for non white letters, since just a personal perference, but they remind me of whitewalls, which are decidedly non sporty. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by flmur03
Wow guys ,
Thanks all of you for great feed back. a lady could be lost without this site. Decided on Michellins. But now questions.
Some answers...
1) It's all a matter of personal preference. I like the all-black look , while others may prefer the white lettering showing.
2) Just make sure all four are the same. I think it was Homer who initially got three of one type and one of the other.
3) 235/65 (OEM) is good for the MO, but you can go up a size to 265/60 if you want. Unfortunately the larger tire has an traction/temperature rating of A/B as compared to the OEM-sized rating of A/A. Personally, I'd stick with the 235/65.
Good luck.
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| flmur03 |
Thanks guys its a wrap. OME size . Blaxkwall. All 4 the same. Will let you all know how they work. Cant wait to get my baby on the road.
Stay tuned.
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| Mr3Putt |
I think you'll like 'em when it's dry!
I know you'll LOVE 'em in the rain! |
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| hfelknor |
"update" my experinces with the 235/65-18Michelin CTs.
I now have about 10,000 miles on them.
This is a superior tire.
It has better dry grip than the GY.
It has way better wet grip than the GY.
It is a AT LEAST as good a riding tire as the GY!
It is AT LEAST as quiet as the GY!
I know people like to point out that is is a Light Truck Tire and the GY LS is a passenger tire.
All I know is, that the LS is a quiet, comfortable tire.
And the Michelin is at least it's equal in those matters.
It IS an all season tire, but I have no idea how it works in the snow.
In my opinion.
THe CT is superior to the Goodyear LS.
But, it does cost more.
The LS is About $30 less PER tire and we know it does some things well.
The GY "probably" represents a better"value".
But the Michelin is a better tire.
I am very, very satisfied with the tire.
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| Kris |
Homer,
Thanks for the information. I wish you said it 12 months ago! You know I trust your opinion...my LS have 15k now and look good. Do not need to change them for a while. At least 20k or so. After that it is either CT's or.........a new car...;) |
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| craigster |
Some time ago took Homer's advice and looked at the CTs. On spec, they were much better than the GYs. I have about 8000 miles on mine and fully concur with all of Homer's observations PLUS I have the added advantage?? of having used them in the snow and ice. They performed quite well in the snow and noticibly better than the GYs. Admittedly real snow tires are much better than all seasons, but as a mainly urban driver, our roads are generally cleared quite quickly.
In short, I am VERY happy with the CTs and they are worth the extra few bucks. |
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| XOC |
Whoa, Homer, too bad you did not post this a couple of weeks ago. I went with the Goodyears. I was a little concerned about the ride/noise with the CT's as my SE does not need to hit the bumps any harder that it does with the GY's. And the best price difference I could find was about $60.
Homer, I am really glad to see that you posted. I have faded to an occasional lurker now, but when I come to look for info, I truly respect your opinions. I am positive there are a lot of members here who may not be very vocal but who do share my views about this. I tried to send you an e-mail when you left to say just that.
So what kind of wiper blades do you have? |
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| hfelknor |
But obviously there are other solid citizens here too.
IMO, this is the best forum I have ever been a member of and I have been a member of some good ones.......Corvettes, Miata (Miata.net Does do a good job) etc...
Let's make this perfectly clear...
There is nothing really wrong with the GYs.
There are good reasons that Nissan selected them.
BTW, one additional advantage is the GYs get about 1 MPG better economy than the CTs. Lower rolling resistance.
So it is not a Good vs Bad comparison.
It is Excellent vs Good IMO.
As to wipers........
I am still running the OEMs and they are still good!
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| Kris |
Wipers......
after two years put new OEM blades. Worked fine.
A few weeks ago decided to "upgrade" and went with Bosch MicroEdge for both Murano and FX. The Bosch lasted only 2 weeks in the FX. My wife hated them. They were noisy. And there was nothing we could do about that. So a few days ago I purchased OEM blades inserts ($30) and went back to the original wipers. No more problems! I am still trying to put up with the Bosch in the Murano........but the OEM's are ready!
I lost trust in after-market parts. Even those from reputable suppliers.... |
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| turnbr |
Hello to All,
Newbie here. Great site !!
I have read all about the Cross Terrain tires and have enjoyed the insights/tips. And now i have 2 questions.
Have these tires proven themselves through a whole winter yet ? I live up here in Toronto, and after last year told myself i would buy some winter tires this year. For those living in snowy climes, do they deliver ?
If not, who can recommend a good winter tire ( preferably in the OEM size )
Thanks
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| nissanlove |
the cross terrains will be a tonne better than the goodyears in the winter. the have jagged sipes compared to the eagles and a more blocky, toothed tread pattern. being from edmonton, we get some pretty harsh winters. i personally put on a dedicated summer tire and a dedicated winter tire. i can't stand all seasons. too many compromises.
if you are looking a dedicated winter tires in the stock size surprisingly you have a number of options, yet they are pricey.
-bridgestone blizzak DM-Z3(previously only available in the 265/60/18 size)
-dunlop grandtrek SJ5 BSW(a very popular winter tire for the murano
-dunlop grandtrek WT M3(number 1 choice)
- Toyo Open Country G-02 plus |
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| craigster |
I am from Winnipeg originally and lived for years in Edmonton - Toronto does not have a real winter. ;)
I have the Cross Terrains - and have driven them in the winter. They are much better than the Goodyears in inclement weather - but they are no substitute for real snow/ice tires. If you travel into really bad areas, you may want real snows - but for winter city driving - especially in the Toronto area - then they are not bad. |
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| UncaDanno |
Although we don't have real winters here, we do get ice storms and the occasional snow. I grew up on the East Tenn. mountains, so I think I can make a decent comparison.
First winter I had the MO, we got 18" of snow. I had Crossterrains on it and they performed quite well. As well as snow tires I used to run in winter in the mountains.
Took the Boss Lady to work the next day. The highway in our county was fairly clear, but the Charlotte streets had about 3" of packed snow and ice. The only time the MO got squirrely was when we had to stop on a patch of glazed ice. A bit of slip when we started and that was about it. |
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| craigster |
Well, admittedly Toronto does get ice and snow (from time to time) - versus the really cold and lots of snow in the west. And our snow tends to be wetter and heavier which makes for some challenging driving. The CTs handle our urban driving requirements just fine in the winter - and IMO better than the GY that I replaced.
I put Yokohama ICE radials on my other, 2WD, car for the winter and the stopping and turning performance in the ice and snow was ASTOUNDINGLY improved. Therefore, if you are driving in nasty conditions a lot, you should get the proper boots. Otherwise, with AWD, the CT are fine. |
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| Sassafras |
| I went with the CTs and had them put on last Saturday - 235/65/18. I wanted to wait until it rained before reporting. The first thing I noticed immediately starting to drive was how quiet these tires are. Maybe the Eagles started out this quiet and were loud now because they had 64K miles on them. Whatever, these tires are quiet. The ride is good and pretty smooth. I have 35psi with the CTs compared to 33psi with the Eagles. I like the firmer ride. Good handling and stopping. And driving to work in the rain this morning I didn't feel like I was going to hydroplane any second like with the Eagles. Let the snow fly. My Mo and I are ready. I'm happy with these tires. |
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| JeffC |
After 27000 miles 2 of my Goodyears were worn down to 7/32" in the middle and 5/32" on the outside treads. The other 2 were almost worn down to the wear indicators (should have rotated more often). They all had a bit of dry rot cracking in the tread grooves. I probably could have kept them for a while longer, but they wouldn't have had enough traction remaining for the approaching mid-west winter. Actually, they never did have enough traction in the winter.
Based on comments from this site I purchased Crossterrains yesterday. I'm very pleased with them. They are quieter than the Goodyears which made a little buzzing noise on smooth pavement. They are smoother, I don't hear or feel tar strips like I did with the Goodyears. Cornering is very smooth and predictable. The serrated outer tread makes the CTs look more like a truck tire, but I don't mind the more aggresive appearance.
Thanks for the analysis and recommendations.
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| gnotti211 |
| maybe this has been mentioned before but why doesn't TireRack mention the CTs when i do a search for tires for a 2007 AWD Murano? |
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| hfelknor |
Because the CTs only come in an S rating.
An S rating is good for sustained speeds up to 112 MPH.
The MO is capable of 118 MPH.
If you are going to cruise in excess of 112 MPH, I cannot recommend this tire.
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| gnotti211 |
quote:
Originally posted by hfelknor
Because the CTs only come in an S rating.
An S rating is good for sustained speeds up to 112 MPH.
The MO is capable of 118 MPH.
If you are going to cruise in excess of 112 MPH, I cannot recommend this tire.
Homer
-- Thanks for the response. I have 16,000 on my stock tires now and i can probably get another 8,000. I don't usually do over 90 at the most, so i'll consider these tires |
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| hfelknor |
There will be no problem at 90MPH.
Many of us at least "touch" 90, even if we don't cruise there.
And I imagine some cruise there.........:rolleyes:
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| tinapetel |
Update at 35,000 miles on 275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain
Has anyone considered or tried the 275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain SUV ? The Diameter is nearly the same. The width is 1.1" more.
Time to get the Goodyear's off mine at 42,000 miles.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can give me.
Pete
275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain SUV
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2271 lbs.
35 psi
11/32"
36 lbs.
7.5-9.5"
7.5"
10.5" Width
NA
30.1" Dia.
691 RPM
235/65 TR18 Goodyear Eagle LS
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1984 lbs.
44 psi
10/32"
34 lbs.
6.5-8.5"
7"
9.4" Width
NA
30" Dia.
698 RPM
Update at 35,000 miles on 275/55 SR18 Michelin Cross Terrain.
Very pleased with driving on these tires.
Very comfortable compared to OEM Goodyears. Quite at first, but now VERY NOISY. A lot of tread left, looks like they will go to 50k or 60k miles. Very good in snow. I bought "Over sized" as I pull a 3500# travel trailer (20k of 35k miles pulling trailer). The gross weight of loaded car and loaded trailer is 8100#. I run the tires at 35# when loaded and 31# unloaded. I have never felt less than confident about the tire's handling on curves, crosswinds, and slippery roads with and without the trailer.
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| Enforcer |
| Dang, I'll only be able to go 112mph. |
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| Enforcer |
| I guess I hit the same pothole going and coming. |
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| DentsandDings |
| IMO the cross terrains suck ass. I have a set on mine that I am fixing to replace after about a year on my car. I have had more flats with these tires than any other tire I have ever had on any vehicle. They have worn very bad even after 2 different alignments by 2 different shops with good machines. I will never buy another set of them.:mad: |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by Enforcer
I guess I hit the same pothole going and coming.
I remember those printouts when I had a lifetime alignment on my Maxima. Wish Firestone still sold those - it was essentially unlimited wheel alignments for the initial cost of about two alignments. So worth it!
Did you notice any symptoms that prompted you to get another alignment? |
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| Enforcer |
| Nothing Eric, I just do that when putting on a new set of tires...and other times, this is the third time this 06 has been aligned. After my Z tire episode I'm kind of anal about alignments ;). Had a nail in one OEM a while back that I plugged and just picked up a screw in another and while I had the wheel off to plug it, I noticed it was getting close to the wear bars and they have been giving me a cyclic noise since day one so figured it was time for the Michies. I've always had great luck with Michelin and have been waiting for the OEMs to wear off to get them. After 500 miles on these I must say I love them so far. Quieter than the OEM and as compliant a ride. I'm not seeing an mpg difference. The 03 got 21.7 on daily commute then this 06 got 22.5 on the OEMs, today I noticed it's still getting 22.5. So far so good. We'll see in about 5k. |
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| parry |
Got michelins after 80000 km's of my GY's.
Much better grip on the road. A bit noisier than GY's. Overall goood. |
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| kirk114 |
My Michelin cross trainers lasted only 57,000 KM. I talked to a michelin dealer whiosaid that these tires have not been making anything close to the 100 K that the dealer said I should expect. When challenged about this difference the delaler tried to blow me off with the usual "it depends on tire inflation and alignments" get out of jail free junk.
Since the dealer does all my service I asked if he had ever found the vehicle tire pressures to be low or the wheels out of alignment. He had to admit that he had not so he droppped the excuse patter and went straight to reality which is too bad you lose since neither we the dealer or Michelin are going to provide any rebate for poor life.
The tire sealer I spoke to said there are two new choices other than the GY or michelin. A cooper tire adn a new Firestone tire.
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