| Eric L. |
I got an email from Michelin this morning. They are coming out with the Michellin Cross Terrain SUV tire in 235/65/18 104T in August-September. A solution is in sight for those who have a hard time finding the 255/60/18 Toyos and who do not want to deviate from plus zero sizing.
UPDATE: In a followup email, there will be two Cross Terrain tires in 235/65/R18 size. The first will only have a S-speed rating (104S), rated up to 112mph - this is the version that will be released in Aug-Sep. Michelin is following up with a T-rated (104T, up to 118mph) version early 2006. Perhaps now would be a good time to email Michelin to urge them to release the 104T version before winter sets in and 3 year old Muranos go sliding all over the road with bald Goodyears. |
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| hfelknor |
Well, that should be interesting.
The current cross terrain tire is a Non Aggressive tread tire. More highway than "cross terrain".
I like Michelin and have used their tires "almost" exclusively for 20 years or so.
My guess is that it will wear like iron, and feel good while it is doing that.
Road noise should be similar to the OEM, IMO.
Definitly another option to consider.
Homer |
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| KSmurano |
The Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tire is a premium highway all-season light truck tire designed to complement the way most Americans drive their sport utility vehicles. The Cross Terrain SUV tire was developed to combine the looks of a light truck tire with the low noise and ride comfort associated with a luxury car tire.
The Cross Terrain SUV features a silica-enhanced tread compound molded into a tread design optimized for car-like ride comfort and responsiveness in dry, wet and wintry conditions. The tire’s sidewall offers rugged good looks to complement the vehicle’s image while its continuous shoulder tread ribs maximize wear qualities while minimizing noise levels. Full depth, interlocking zigzag sipes are integrated into the tread design to provide the extra biting edges that enhance year round traction and driving confidence in light snow. Internally, the Cross Terrain SUV features twin steel belts, a two-ply polyester cord body and Michelin’s Bead Tension Structure to increase ride comfort and provide predictable handling.
Depending on their size, Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tires feature outline white letter or blackwall styling and are available in S-, T- or H-speed rated 75-, 70-, 65-, 60- and 55-series sizes for 15" through 18" wheel diameters.
Treadlife Warranty 65,000 Miles
Uniformity Warranty First 2/32" of wear
Workmanship & Materials Warranty 6 Years - Free replacement for first 2/32" of wear, then prorated to 2/32".
Manufacturer's Road Hazard Warranty None
Manufacturer Special Warranty None
Overall Tire Warranty Rating **** |
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| Eric L. |
| I posted an update in the first post above, looks like we won't get a T-rated Cross Terrain until early 2006. The one coming out in Aug-Sept will be S-rated only. |
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| ekaxel |
quote:
.....release the 104T version before winter sets in and 3 year old Muranos go sliding all over the road with bald Goodyears.
Neither one of these tires, particularly the GY, is a good snow tire, even with a lot of tread. Granted, the imbedded silica in the CT tread will make it more effective on ice.
I will continue to put my snow tires on whenever the conditions warrant. |
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| midnitexpress |
| Wonder what the MO would look like with OWL Michelin shoes? Photoshop anyone? |
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| NCtravellinman |
I put Michelin cross terrains on my '03 Mo about 40K miles ago. Don't remember the exact size sitting here; think it is 265/55/18. Anyway, sidewall height is practically the same dimension as OEM. Wider tire. Love' em. Difference in grip, road noise is dramatically better.
Had a Nismo factory guy call me to survey me about my new '05 Mo recently. Told him my angst towards Goodyear. He said they take customer feed back seriously. We'll see. Told him I was dissatisfied with the Gy's enough to manually find a tire size that would fit my '03 Mo other than GY! |
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| NCtravellinman |
Michelin tires are here! Pasted below is the response I got from Michelin customer relations:
I read on a Murano message board that y'all were coming out with this tire
in the Cross Terrain in the Aug-Sept. timeframe. True? I'm about to need
some tires and hate my OEM goodyears. I put some 275/55?/18's on my other
'Mo. Like them, but too much tire for my highway driving.
Thanks!
Hello and thank you for visiting our Web site and sending us your
e-mail.
We assume you're asking about the size tire for a 2005 Murano (P235/65r18)
This tire is being produced currently and the black wall version is part
number 61121 and the white letter version is part number 51880. Please
check with your local dealer in regard to price and availability.
If you have additional questions, please respond to this email
or you may call us at 1-800-847-3435 (toll-free) between
8:30AM and 6:00PM Eastern Time Monday through Friday to allow
one of our Consumer Relations Representatives to assist you.
Michelin North America
Consumer Relations Department |
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| Darrell Sheldon |
| Wow Travellin man that was great response from Michelin-you say the road noise is significantly reduced! That is about the only noise I hear in my MO. Nice to get rid of that or at least lessen it. Where in N.C. are you,I'm in Wilmington? |
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| Eric L. |
| While the size might be available, there is not word on whether the T-rated version will be out soon. I think the part numbers in the email refer to the S-rated CrossTerrain. |
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| NCtravellinman |
quote:
Where in N.C. are you,I'm in Wilmington?
Wilson, NC |
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| KSmurano |
Eric - Why is it so important to you on the S vs T rating or 112 vs. 118 mph?
That doesn't seem like much of a difference, what am I missing?
These really aren't performance tires.
I noticed he Navi has the S rated, but the tread seems a lot more aggressive? |
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| Eric L. |
| The speed rating usually also dictates the relative performance ability of the tire. I would not expect an S-rated tire to perform as well as a T-rated tire under the same conditions. I know the small max speed difference is trivial, but you almost never find lower speed rated tires outperforming higher speed rated ones (on dry and wet roads anyways). |
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| NCtravellinman |
| I guess, as they say, "different strokes for different folks", but I don't really consider my 4,000 pound Mo a sports car, so the small difference between an "s" and a "t" ain't gonna mean much to me. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by NCtravellinman
I guess, as they say, "different strokes for different folks", but I don't really consider my 4,000 pound Mo a sports car, so the small difference between an "s" and a "t" ain't gonna mean much to me.
What you say is probably quite true. I doubt most MO drivers would even notice the difference. As stated in the original post though, Michelin is coming out with a T-rated CrossTerrain in 235/65/18 in exactly the MO's original specifications (I think its even 104T, matching the Goodyears) - but its not slated to be sold until early next year I think. I suppose if one were desperate for new tires, the S-rated ones would be a fine replacement. |
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| Stoker |
| Anybody have any info on the tire price yet? I will be looking to replace my tires next spring |
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| dacraig |
Just ordered the Cross Terrains from Tire Rack P236-65-SR18.
They only had the White letter in stock so still debating if I mount those out (Probably not!)
Paid $687.18 shipped, add $41 to mount at the local dealer.(Have you guys found how hard it is to find a "good" shop who will mount on these 18" rims?) That's a lot more than the GY's, but it now seems that it is impossible to get them from anywhere. I was waiting almost a month thru Tire Rack before they contacted me and suggested I spend the extra $ to get the Michelins. I'm sure it will be worth it.
Only problem with the whole deal is though I had the Mo in the shop yesterday for some other service and they found I have a leaky strut. So tack on $700 for that and a $75 alignment and these are some damn expensive tires. |
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| Eric L. |
| The Crossterrain in 235/65/18 is now the OEM tire for the new Ford Explorer with optional 18" wheels. Seems like Michelin made this in response to Ford's SUV, not ours. Oh well, gives us another choice though. |
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| jahjr |
dacraig,
give us an update when you have the CT's installed. I have been looking at them also.
jahjr |
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| Murano_driver |
| I guess I miss this post before. I went to the tire shop 2 weeks ago trying to replace my OEM goodies before the snow hits NY. They have no tires available at the moment and the guy who I was talking to was well aware that I am looking for the “car” type tires for my Mo and not a SUV type. He also mention that a lot of people w/ Mo and Rav-4 (car based SUV, if you don’t know) complains after putting the SUV tires. He recommends waiting for 1-2 weeks for the Michellin tires to come out; they are supposed to be good replacements for OEMs. At that time I was not sure what tires he was talking about until I sow this post. I will try to go there this weekend to see if they have CT in stock, find out the price etc. |
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| njjoe |
The Cross Terrain looks to be biased toward the truck end of the SUV scale.
Just guessing by it's appearence I would say the ride will be harsher and noisier as compared to the OEM Goodyears.
I will be very interested to hear what the community has to say about these new tires.
-njjoe |
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| hfelknor |
I hope the CT works out.
I really, really do.
I am especially concerned how it will ride/sound after 20/30,000 miles.
Michelin says it best
"The Michelin Cross Terrain SUV tire is a premium highway all-season LIGHT TRUCK TIRE designed to complement the way most Americans drive their sport utility vehicles" (Emphasis mine)
Homer |
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| Eric L. |
One concern about the Michelin CT's is that they have a traction rating of A, but a B temperature rating. This means they are likely less of a performance tire than the stock Eagles, which have a traction and temp rating of A and A.
I do expect, being that the CT tire is made for SUV's, that the emphasis will be on a smooth and quiet ride, and not performance. |
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| HuskyFan |
I saw this tire several years ago on the Acura MDX so I assume it is a good tire.
I did have Michelin Pilots on my Passat which I didn't like because they followed every groove in the road and made driving down the highway a chore. I changed them early and went to Continental Extreme Contact and it made all the difference in the world.
It is really hard to know how a new tire will feel on your car compared to the original tire regardless of ratings, brand name, etc. Some tire dealers will give you 30 days in which to return the tires if your not happy. |
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| dacraig |
OK - Got the CT's installed and put about 100 miles on so far.
Initial feelings ---
Looks - Definitely look more like a truck or SUV tire on the MO. Mainly because of the way the tread is broken on the edges.
Driver feel - Much more responsive than the GY's. They seem to respond a lot faster and more precise than the stock tires.
Quiet - I would have to say at this point that they are probably a little noisier, I noticed that rough pavement seems to give more feedback than the GY's.
Overall - I will like them better!! I want a tire that suits what I use the MO for. This is not a luxury sedan and I need utility but also want style. I need to have good traction in all conditions and especially when I hook up the Snowmobile trailer and head into the great white north. I don't need a dedicated snow tire, cause I've lived my whole life in the very snowy climes of upstate NY and know how to drive in any kind of snow. I never had a problem with traction with the GY's so I expect even better performance out of the CT's.
I wish there were more options for a general purpose tire, but between the GY's and the CT's. I think either one would have been fine, but I definitely prefer and trust Michelins more. Are they worth about $50 more per tire? Time will tell! |
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| Murano_driver |
| I went to the tire shop this afternoon. They promise me to order them on Monday, but I have to call back to check on them. He could not give me price but he said it will be around $150 per tire. So if you have some pricing info please post it. Thank you. |
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| SugarRushMurano |
| it will look funny if you put them on a murano with bright color, dont you all think so? I dont like the white lettering for sure. |
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| dacraig |
| Mounted mine with White Letter in. Would definitely not look right with White letter out. |
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| SugarRushMurano |
quote:
Originally posted by dacraig
Mounted mine with White Letter in. Would definitely not look right with White letter out.
dacraig, you mind sharing pictures of these mounted with the entire car shot? thanks. |
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| Kris |
| It still is SUV/Light Truck tire. I have my doubts as to sutability of this tire for Murano.... |
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| biggun |
I've tried this Michelin on my previous vehicle (Blazer) in lieu of the Goodyears that came with the vehicle and was very disappointed.
1. The tire wore a lot quicker than the GY - I assumed it is a softer rubber. Better for dry traction and comfort ride.
2. Terrible traction in snow and rain compared to the GY. I found that I was slipping in both snow and rain.
I ended up going back to the GY and was happy once again with their performance and wear.
IMHO, Michelin is overrated. Excellent for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Not so excellent in wet/snow traction.
GY - very good for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Excellent in wet/snow traction. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by biggun
I've tried this Michelin on my previous vehicle (Blazer) in lieu of the Goodyears that came with the vehicle and was very disappointed.
1. The tire wore a lot quicker than the GY - I assumed it is a softer rubber. Better for dry traction and comfort ride.
2. Terrible traction in snow and rain compared to the GY. I found that I was slipping in both snow and rain.
I ended up going back to the GY and was happy once again with their performance and wear.
IMHO, Michelin is overrated. Excellent for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Not so excellent in wet/snow traction.
GY - very good for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Excellent in wet/snow traction.
Are you talking about the Goodyear Eagle LS?? :confused:
Hard to believe someone could say that about the Murano stocker tires (which I think are terrible). |
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| Kris |
Eric,
I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.
Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60. |
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| Stoker |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
Eric,
I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.
Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60.
Kris
I am with you on this one as I have tried other tires( Michellin, Dunlop, Contiental) and I have always returned to to Goodyear. I to will go back to the Eagle LS until Goodyear come up with another tire to fit. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
Eric,
I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.
Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60.
That may be true. Until I try a few other tires and confirm it, I won't know for sure though. Just having used the stock Eagles, I am not that impressed with them, but maybe I am expecting too much on the handling side for the Murano. |
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| Kris |
Eric,
Murano is closer to a luxury sedan, or a cruiser than performance car. This is one reason that my next car most likely be something like M35/45. Given the characteristic of the Murano I believe that the OEM tires are very good choice. I simply do not see better replacement at that size and for that money. Again it is only my opinion…. |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
That may be true. Until I try a few other tires and confirm it, I won't know for sure though. Just having used the stock Eagles, I am not that impressed with them, but maybe I am expecting too much on the handling side for the Murano.
Eric,
If you are simply comparing the "handling" of this tire on dry surfaces, than yes, you are right - you can most likely find a better tire that will out-handle the GY.
But, if you are looking for a decent tire that can produce good traction/handling in the snow and rain as well as the dry (like most of us in the northeast that require this) - than I would strongly recommend the GY (LS or any other model from Goodyear).
Again, MHO.
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| Eric L. |
| I actually find the Eagle LS's dry traction to be their best attribute. Wet is okay, but ice/snow is downright dangerous. Just my experience. Like I said in my response to Kris, I may be proven wrong if other tires I try out turn out to be worse. |
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| Kris |
I do not care about snow/ice traction - no snow in Atlanta! And I do think dry traction of the LS is pretty good. What I do like about them is the nice ride. No SUV/Truck tire is going to provide it. Performance wise - I wil get a different car! :D
Eric,
I just wish you well with your choice of tires. I do not want anybody go through some s.........as I did with Yokohamas.... |
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| Stoker |
As I live in a snow belt and going in the mountains any chance I get, I do not find that I have traction problem in the MO. I drive to conditions and everything works out.
Of course it doesn't hurt when we get a Chinook(weather phenom) here during the winter.:17: :17: |
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| dacraig |
For you guys who haven't even driven on the CT's yet. I suggest saving your deductions until you have. To pigeonhole all Michelins into 1 box is not a fair thing to do. The Mo is not a sports car and I would never drive it like one. I've owned everything from Porsche's to Z's to RX-7's and this aint one of them!
We are getting soaked with rain today and I can now report on the CT performance in the rain.
TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! better grip and performance than my stock GY's ever had. The Gy's would get pretty squirrly on me in the rain. The CT's stuck to the curves today like I've never experienced in the MO before. I have a couple of very tight, twisty, hilly roads I drive every day. I used to have drive with extreme caution on these roads cause of the amount of contact loss the GY's would cause (even when they had alot more tread than they had when I got rid of them). Today was like heaven. No slippage at all.
Given the tread design I expect that the snow performance to be just as exemplary. |
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| Kris |
dacraig
1. I never said Michelin tires are bad, quite opposite.
2. I understand MO is not a sports car and as such doe not require performance tires.
3. I anjoy nice ride in the Murano on stock tires.
4. What about steering response, ride quality, noise of CT'S?
These are imprtant factors to me beside wet and dry traction (you can always adjust your speed to the conditions though you cannot change harsh drive on truck tire). |
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| Eric L. |
I have no doubt that the CT's will be decent tires for the Murano. Honda Pilot and Acura MDX owners rave about this tire, and our vehicles have the same handling traits as the Pilot and MDX.
I just believe its better to have a tire which far exceeds the handling capabilities of a vehicle than one that falls short of the limits. As such, I would not choose anything less than a T-rated tire. Speed rating generally relates directly with a tire's performance in dry and wet (but not snow or ice).
Michelin will make a 104T rated tire for the Murano in CT's soon, an email I received recently from Michelin estimates Feb 2006. |
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| ekaxel |
I just replaced my GY with GY at a net of about $90/ tire installed. At that price, I wouldn't even consider looking elswhere. At $150, I might have.
BTW: I replaced the GY at 31000 miles, half worn.
As stated in a previous post, the new GY are much quieter, smoother riding and better roadholding than the 3 yr old ones. They deteriorate so gradually, you don't realize how bad they have gotten until you replace them. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by ekaxel
I just replaced my GY with GY at a net of about $90/ tire installed. At that price, I wouldn't even consider looking elswhere. At $150, I might have.
BTW: I replaced the GY at 31000 miles, half worn.
As stated in a previous post, the new GY are much quieter, smoother riding and better roadholding than the 3 yr old ones. They deteriorate so gradually, you don't realize how bad they have gotten until you replace them.
Good point ekaxel. Perhaps the varying opinion of the Eagles are because people are at different levels of wear (and performance) on those tires. |
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| ekaxel |
On almost any tire, the rubber gets harder with age, resulting in a harsher ride, more noise, and reduced handling.
I suspect this may be less true on very expensive tires with exotic compounds. The GY is certainly not in that class of tire. |
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| hfelknor |
I agree that tires can "age out", sometimes before they wear out.
"I suspect this may be less true on very expensive tires with exotic compounds."
I agree with that too,
but would like to point out that some of those tires last less than 10,000 miles and that doesn't give them much chance to age out. ;)
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| ekaxel |
"I agree with that too,
but would like to point out that some of those tires last less than 10,000 miles and that doesn't give them much chance to age out. "
I thought about that after I wrote it! |
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| Murano_driver |
quote:
Originally posted by dacraig
For you guys who haven't even driven on the CT's yet. I suggest saving your deductions until you have. To pigeonhole all Michelins into 1 box is not a fair thing to do. The Mo is not a sports car and I would never drive it like one. I've owned everything from Porsche's to Z's to RX-7's and this aint one of them!
We are getting soaked with rain today and I can now report on the CT performance in the rain.
TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! better grip and performance than my stock GY's ever had. The Gy's would get pretty squirrly on me in the rain. The CT's stuck to the curves today like I've never experienced in the MO before. I have a couple of very tight, twisty, hilly roads I drive every day. I used to have drive with extreme caution on these roads cause of the amount of contact loss the GY's would cause (even when they had alot more tread than they had when I got rid of them). Today was like heaven. No slippage at all.
Given the tread design I expect that the snow performance to be just as exemplary.
Thanks for an update. It is nice to know that CT handles rain better than GY. I will personally sacrifice some ride quality for better handling. No offence people, but anyone who saying that GY is the good tires never try to drive when it’s more than 1 feet of snow or 2 inches of rain coming down in the couple of hours. I have to admit GY is good on the dry road, but it only one good thing about them. (if I would live in CA or FL I would never think about switching to other tires than GY) But every time I drive in rain, I feel uncomfortable. Last time I was driving from upstate NY to NYC (100 miles) in the very heavy rain and that was the worst experience ever, I felt like I was on the boat. I did not feel the road at all. |
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| dacraig |
Murano_Driver
Excellently stated!!!
This thread should be divided in 2. Those who live in Southern states and the rest of us who have 4 seasons of weather to contend with. If I never had anything but warm dry weather, I DEFINITELY would have stayed with GY's.
If I could have bought them. LOL |
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| Eric L. |
| If I had no snow, I would definitely go with Pirelli Pzero Scorpions or Toyo Proxes ST. Both are closer to performance tires than all season tires, and they are both available in the perfect plus zero size (255/60/18). |
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| midnitexpress |
| Hey dacraig! Just noticed you were in Downingtown! Will assume it's PA? Small world...I graduated DHS but grew up in Lionville. |
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| dacraig |
| Just moved to Downingtown this year, Originally from Upstate NY. I've heard horror stories about how people down here don't know how to drive in snow. So all the more reason I needed good rubber to avoid all the amateurs. ;) |
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| hfelknor |
You guys might want to check out the 245/60/18 Goodyear Fortera HL tires.
Homer |
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| ekaxel |
I'll definitely get some flak on this, but, IMHO:
Many of the claims/comparisons of this tire or that tire being vastly better than the GY (I am not defending the GY here) are made by drivers who have just replaced their 3-4 year old, hardened, worn out GY. Of course a brand new --- will be much better!
I would like to see someone else do what I did; compare brand new GY with their old ones! |
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| hfelknor |
Well, unless there is an amazing break through in the next 5/10,000 miles (I currently have 28,000) I will be buying the GY Eagle LS.
With my driving requirements (Smooth roads and sunlight drifting to 5 or 6 feet) I would never trade in my passenger tires for light truck tires.
I expect that, just like every other time, the new tires will feel wonderful compared to the old worn tires.
I have looked at some $300 performance tires (at Tire rack) but feel that the vehicle just isn't worth that kind of tire.
Especially since I know that this stock tire impressed me and all the other people who oohhed and ahhed over the Murano handling.
Now if I had to fool around in the snow............well I would still get the Eagle. And move. :D
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| doublemo |
| OK, quick disclaimer. I've only driven 25 miles on the Cross Terrains (235/65/18). I did notice right away that there's a better contact with the road as it feels like the tire is actually gripping the surface. I'm not sure if the ride was more bumpy but it did feel like there was actually more cushioning. All the driving was done on dry surfaces. It's supposed to snow tonight and maybe more this weekend. I will have to sneak a drive in crummy conditions since its my wife's car. I can compare it however to new stock Goodyear's as my Murano has only 4800 miles on it. It certainly doesn't feel as if the GY's are grabbing the road. I've never had problems with traction in rain but the GY's absolutely stink in the snow. Again, hopefully I'll be able to drive my wife's Murano this weekend and give an update (then I'll drive mine just to compare). |
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| midnitexpress |
| can you post pictures of both? What's your opinion on how they look side by side? My other half thinks I'm nuts when I ask about how a tire looks on a vehicle, but I think it's an important part of the decision making process. |
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| ray |
I just returned from a trip from the San Francisco Bay Area to Montana (almost to the Canadian border) and a couple thousand miles of it was in slush, snow, ice, rain covered ice, etc. etc.
Some observations:
1. the Murano handles slick roads better than any car I've ever had, could be the overall balance or the AWD (though it is hard to tell when it kicks in)
2. I have Perilli Scorpions with only about 10% of the tread left and they did just fine in the snow, pleasant surprise as I thought I might have to buy a new set for the trips. Again, the performance might have been due to the Murano's handling that made up for marginal tires but it did great even on the slickest of roads
3. where the limited tread depth was apparant was on water covered roads where it hydroplaned |
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| Kris |
| For those interested M CT are available - dee the link NTB |
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| Kris |
22,000 miles on the second set of GDY. Just noticed increased noise, humming? whining? Coming from front tires. First thought was bearing, but it does sound like a worn tire. So checked them out and…………was surprised. I will need to change them in 2 months time! (yes, I am planning to put approximately 10k within next 2 months time). So it is again time to chase new tires.
I am not sure about GDY anymore. Yokos – no way! Any truck tire for that matter. Right now I am debating:
Bridgestone Potenza RE92
Toyo Proxes
Pirelli Scorpion
Michelin CT
For those of you who have experience with these tires, could you comment on: ride comfort/quality, noise, handling, hydro resistance. I do not care about snow. As a matter of fact I would even consider summer tire. |
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| Stoker |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
22,000 miles on the second set of GDY. Just noticed increased noise, humming? whining? Coming from front tires. First thought was bearing, but it does sound like a worn tire. So checked them out and…………was surprised. I will need to change them in 2 months time! (yes, I am planning to put approximately 10k within next 2 months time). So it is again time to chase new tires.
I am not sure about GDY anymore. Yokos – no way! Any truck tire for that matter. Right now I am debating:
Bridgestone Potenza RE92
Toyo Proxes
Pirelli Scorpion
Michelin CT
For those of you who have experience with these tires, could you comment on: ride comfort/quality, noise, handling, hydro resistance. I do not care about snow. As a matter of fact I would even consider summer tire.
Kris
What did GDY say about the faulty tire, did they honor the warranty for it? |
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| Kris |
I am not sure what do you mean by faulty tire. The tires are OK, they just becoming noisey and worn. I will most likely get 32k out ot them. I have no idea how anybody can get 50K!
I did have a puncture that the shop repaired, $25. Otherwise I really did not have problems with GDY. they are just not to the standards I would like to see. Pitty, there is no real alternatives.
The Bridgestone Potenza is tempting though........ |
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| KSmurano |
Kris, do you like the Bridgestone Potenza RE92's? :confused:
They are on my boys Subi & are wearing unbelieveable fast, they have a 160AA rating and the fronts are less than 50% at 10k miles.
I'm not impressed with them at all, again wet & snow traction is marginal, its a good thing it has AWD.
I Know, I know, he might have something to do with it, but he's a chip of the old block & its a fun little car. :eek:
Its interesting that the FX size has a UTQG rating of 260AA but that is still a soft tire. |
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| Kris |
If I lived north I would probably go for a different tire. On FX they are great. My wife has a heavy foot and still they lasted 30K. Not bad, but pricey. I guess we have to pay for performance. Oh and ride comfort is great. Actually I took two front wheels from FX and put them on Murano to makes sure the Yokos were causing problems. And guess what, I loved them!
Look at RE92 thread pattern – it is definitely dry surface tires. A few weeks ago I was coming back from long trip, landed in Atlanta early morning, got into FX and drove off. When I was entering interstate on 270 loop I realized I was going too quickly (the road was wet). Before I reacted VDC and AWD cut in as I lost rear end. So the wet traction is not so great. Still I would prefer them over any SUV/Truck tire. |
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| jeffil1965 |
I went to my local Ford dealer and looked at the CT on the Explorer.
I noticed two different tread designs being used. One had the
more "rugged" tire design mainly on the edge like I have seen
at tire stores and the others had a smoother type edge more
like the OEM Eagles LSs we have.
Has anyone else seen this? Is one better than the other? |
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| nissanlove |
| what happened to considering the bridgestone dueler hp sports kris?? |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanlove
what happened to considering the bridgestone dueler hp sports kris??
Right now I am tosing between M C/T and Bridgestone Dueler HP Sports. The decision will come in 2-3 months time. B may win..... |
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| jeffil1965 |
| What plus sizes are safe to put on without throwing off the speedo? |
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| hfelknor |
Just go to this calculator
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
Put in the stock size, 235x65x18, and any other size you are interested in.
The calculator will give you a bunch of info including speedometer error.
IMO you shouldn't exceed 3%.
Homer |
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| Enforcer |
| Just out of curiosity, what happened to this tire? I don't find it on tire rack or Michelins site. In fact Michelin site says it has no tires for the MO. |
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| MyBlueMO |
Enforcer,
I purchased a set of these tires from NTB in Madison. The size was P235/65R18 104S. They had to ship them in from Atlanta(overnight), but they are out there.
I had 34k on the stock Goodyears, and they were shot.
Gene
quote:
Originally posted by Enforcer
Just out of curiosity, what happened to this tire? I don't find it on tire rack or Michelins site. In fact Michelin site says it has no tires for the MO.
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| Enforcer |
| Thanks. I was beginning to think my browser was blocking them due to all my searches :D. |
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| hfelknor |
Actually if you go to the Tire Rack and search Michelin by size, there they are!
Still just an S tho. Guess they never did come out with a T.
You won't find them by searching on Murano because of that. TR won't sell a tire that isn't rated to be capable of your vehicles speed.
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| Enforcer |
| Ah, apparently Michelin has the same lawyers. So will they sell them to you if you tell them your putting them on a MO? |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Enforcer
Ah, apparently Michelin has the same lawyers. So will they sell them to you if you tell them your putting them on a MO?
Yeah, but with a disclaimer. |
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| Mr3Putt |
I just bought a set of these Michellins.
Does anyone have a photo of them installed with the letters facing out?
I'm on the fence as to which way to put them on, white letters facing in, or out.....:confused: :confused: |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by Mr3Putt
I just bought a set of these Michellins.
Does anyone have a photo of them installed with the letters facing out?
I'm on the fence as to which way to put them on, white letters facing in, or out.....:confused: :confused:
IN!!!!! There is no way I would install any tires with big, white letter on the Murano! |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
IN!!!!! There is no way I would install any tires with big, white letter on the Murano!
Agreed! What is the MO, some Ford Explorer with the white letter tires?!
Make sure they can be mounted the other way, and that the tires are not unidirectional. |
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| Enforcer |
| I would mount them in. YMMV |
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| Mr3Putt |
quote:
Originally posted by MyBlueMO
Michelin tire with white letters? What white letters? I got mine in black:
Gene
They are White lettered on one side, it just says Michelin.
The other side is also lettered, like yours.
I am in agreement they should be mounted white side in.
I paid $488 delivered for the 4 tires.
Add another $120 for mounting, balancing and 4 wheel alignment, and I'm in the Michelins for the cost of the Goodyears... And I'm aligned.
I have them scheduled to be installed on July 5. Can't wait! Baby needs new shoes! |
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| twelsh |
Well, my '03 MO SE is finally down to the wear bars on my stock GYs at 36k miles so its finally time to replace them. I'd have to say they were okay tires at best, I kept them overinflated at around 38 psi which got me better gas mileage (around 20 mpg in mixed driving) and handling, but even when I dropped the inflation to stock levels, they had always sucked in the rain and snow.
After reading all of the conflicting reviews here and on Tire Rack's website, I finally just went to my local tire store (Dunn Tire is a the local discount chain up here in Western NY) with the list of potential tire choices and had a talk with the stores manager. They sell all the major brands of tires including all the standard and plus sizes for the MO (with the exception of the Toyos) and after showing him the list of tires I was contemplating, he said the the Michelins CTs are absolutely the way to go. Interestingly enough they weren't the most expensive tires of he group I showed him either. He basically said that in his experience, the GY's Eagle LS's were basically designed to provide a soft and quiet ride, and thats it. They only offer mediocre performance and have terrible rain/snow grip. He said the M CT's are a much better tire in all situations and he would not recommend going with a plus size because increasing size of the sidewall can have a number of negative consequences, not the least of which is the tire rolling sideways in a sharp corner causing you to lose control. They even have it in there contract they they don't provide road hazard coverage for tires that are not the stock size for your car. So, it looks like I'm going with the M CT's (they were more expensive than the GYs but he felt so strongly about them that he matched the GY's price for me). Besides, my wife has Michelins on her BMW X3 and that car handles like it's on rails compared to my MO.
I'll give you my impressions next week. |
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| hfelknor |
Your tire guy needs to study the book a bit more. ;)
A plus tire DECREASES the sidewall and rolls sideways less than a stock tire.
Michelin makes good tires and "bad" tires, like most manufacturers.
A tire's grip is inversly related to it's mileage.
Hard rubber gives more miles and less grip.
Michelin makes one tire that they guarantee for 80,000 miles.
I guess you realize that that tire sucks when it comes to grip (and BTW Grip = stopping power also).
On the flip side, Michelin makes the Pilots, which are a great handling tire. Probably what you have on the Bimmer.
They are not related to the 80,000 mile tire.nor are they related to the CT.
I think the GY are maligned too much.
either that, or the people that buy Muranos are idiots. :rolleyes:
Especially since most of us bouight the Murano at least partially because it was a good handling car. The tires were as responsible for that as the suspension.
And of course the tire shops that malign them coincidentally do not carry them.
But I have no doubt that the CT is a "better" tire for most applications.
I have used Michelins almost exclusively for the last twenty years.
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| Eric L. |
It depends what the width and aspect ratio would be, in order for the sidewall to be taller or shorter than stock. A taller sidewall would roll over more on turns, a shorter sidewall would deflect less.
Also the term plus sizing needs to be defined. "Plus zero" means choosing a tire for the same rim size, but this tire can have a taller or shorter sidewall. "Plus one" refers to an entirely new wheel and tire combo with a rim 1" larger. "Plus two," rim two inches larger, and so on and so on.
Also homer, yes the Murano's stocker Eagle LS's are decent tires for dry handling compared to what comes on the competition - both the Highlander and Pilot come with Goodyear Integrity tires (even worse!). However the Eagle LS's performance in the wet and snow, given the Murano's slightly sporting pretentions, are less than stellar. If they can get a better handling tire in a plus zero application, most people would go for it. In this case, I am happy with the Yokos and many here are happy with the CT's.
I notice other "sporty" crossovers tend to also select a sportier tire. BMW crossovers tend to have Mich Pilots, and the Infiniti FX, Mazda CX7, and Caddy SRX have the Eagle RS-A. The B9 has Eagle LS2's. |
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| Enforcer |
| Homer, did you get a chance to ask Mickey about the CTs? |
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| nissanlove |
| saw a murano while i was at the dealership yesterday.. it had the CT's on it with the white walls visible. looked good actually. |
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| hfelknor |
quote:
Originally posted by Enforcer
Homer, did you get a chance to ask Mickey about the CTs?
No, I am on vacation and will not be home until approx Aug 15.
Homer |
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| twelsh |
Okay, I've had the Crossterrains on for 3 days now and here are my first impressions:
1) Noise: On the highway with the A/C and stereo off, they may be slightly louder than my worn out Eagle LS's with 36k on them, but by no means intrusive. When I took my wife out for a drive and asked if the car sounded any different (without telling her I had no tires on it), she said no (=unbiased control sample).
2) Ride: Definely smoother than the worn out Eagles, but may be in part due to the fact that I always kept the Eagles slightly overinflated so that they wouldn't feel so squishy when cornering. Train tracks and pot-holes are much less apparent than before. When I get a chance, I'll inflate then up the the pressures where I had the Eagles at to getter a better comparison.
3) Handling: Noticable better than the Eagles. There is a sharp 260 degree turn that I take every night when coming home from work and with the Eagles at normal inflation (when they were new), the tires would squeal and car would wallow if I took it at anything more than 35 miles an hour. With the Eagles over-inflated, I could take the corner at 40 with minimal squish/squeal. However, with the Crossterains, I can take the corner confidently at 40 with no squish and no squeal. I'm a little nervous about going faster because of the rumors (?myths) about truck tires "breaking away without warning" but I'm going to try it at 45 mph tonight (If you don't hear from me again, assume that it didn't work out) ;) I'm assuming the handling differences are due to the stiffer "SUV" type sidewall, which, in my opinoin, is a good thing. The car also seems to have more grip with launches and stops, but that may be simply a function of new (aka not almost bald) tires.
4) Asthetics: Much better looking than the Eagles. I don't know about you, but I also kinda thought the Murano looked like a minivan on steroids. Now with the aggressive tread and sidewalls, it looks more like a Crossover SUV on steroids.
If I survive the corner tonight, I'll provide further updates in the future on rain and eventually snow capabillities. |
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| hfelknor |
Please don't push the new tires.
You didn't say, but I get the impression that you have very few miles on the CTs.
Tires need to be broken in.
They all Need to be broken in.
At the track we run new tires until they are scuffed and then take them back off to be put on durimg the race as "new" tires if we get the chance.
New tires will vent various chemicals and gasses for the first few hundred miles. This makes them very slippery at the limit. That tendency will go away after say.........4 or 500 miles.
BTW, more "grip" come with bald tires, not tires with lots of tread.
Tread helps in water and snow.
Of course Hard Rubber Baldies might not give as much grip as soft rubber new tires.
But in any event, you haven't seen just how good the traction can be on the CTs yet.
So, break then in (By driving "normally") and don't push them until you have a few hundred miles on them.
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| twelsh |
Too late, already did it and happy to say - not dead! Yay! It made an interesting "BRRRP" noise but at no point did I feel out of control.
BTW, in case anyone was wondering, I bought all 4 tires from tirerack.com and with shipping they came to $622 total. I then brought them to my local BJ's and had them installed for only $39 total (which includes free tire rotation and balancing for life)! Sweet....
Click here to see some pics
...and for those of you who are concerned about the "blocky tread pattern" of "truck" tires, for comparison purposes, take a look at the shot showing the tread pattern differences between my Michellin Crossterrain "truck" tires and my wifes BMW X3 Michelin Pilot HX MXM4 "all season grand touring" tires... Can't say I see a lot of difference there... Although I do like my aggressive sidewall better. :) |
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| hfelknor |
Ordered the Bridgestone Dueler HP Sport 265/60-18.
Should be mounted Mon or Tues.
I bot them with new valves, Road Hazard, and Road Force Balance (Superior balancing method. Go to Hunter web page for description)
When I asked about the Michelin he asked me what my priorities were.
I said;
1- grip
2- noise
3- mileage
4- price..
He said get the Bridgestones.
He also said that I have 30 days to try them out and that he would swap them for the Michelins if need be.
He said the Duel HP Sports were more of a performance tire than the CTs.
He believed that priority #1 would be a clear win for BS.
He is a bit concerned about the noise being such a high priority.
He told me that even if I put a 30mm wider GY on, it would be somewhat noisier than OEM. But he said that new tires are generally quieter than old tires. The compound on ALL tires gets harder as it ages.
So priority #2 is a "try it and see".
He believes that given the same treatment the Michelins would give more mileage. He pointed out that this would be a tradeoff with the performance.
He thinks that CT would win #3.
Comparing the two, he believes the BS is a better tire.
He believes the CT is a better value.
I chose the better tire.
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| Enforcer |
| Interesting, thanks. |
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| nissanlove |
| only one problem i've noticed with the BS sports recently is that the outer edge of the front tires are starting to feather so i'm gonna have the Toe in checked out. other than that, we're completely satisfied with the tires. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by nissanlove
only one problem i've noticed with the BS sports recently is that the outer edge of the front tires are starting to feather so i'm gonna have the Toe in checked out. other than that, we're completely satisfied with the tires.
How many miles (kilometers ) did you put on them? |
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| nissanlove |
| so far there is about 8000km on them. the feathering isn't anything substantial, but i don't want things to get any worse. |
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| hfelknor |
Something I have never figured out..........
How come I can say that I am going to buy something and all is well?
Then I can say that I am going to wait, and all is well.
Then I can say that I will probably buy it in the near future, and all is well.
Then I can tell Kris I am going to order it tomorrow and all is well.
Then I can order it AND ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL IS NOT WELL?
Why does it always work that way?
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| i think it's just the fact that the SE suspension is different. we've had the MO for just over a year now and we still have not done an alignment yet so that could also be the problem. it could also be the the murano is being driven harder now with the greater assurance of the sport tires. i say go ahead and order homer. you won't be disappointed. |
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| Gonzo |
Three years, 34,000 Miles never done an allignment. I guess I'm lucky. I hope I never have to I hate it when the "fix" it from the factory settings but what can one do?
That is one thing I wish I could do myself... easily. |
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| nissanlove |
| well i figured out the cause of the feathering... for some reason all 4 tires dropped in pressure by 4psi... no wonder the ride was really soft and cushy. so now i've inflated the fronts up to 35 and the rears to 33 and if feels much better again... the ride is again a bit stiffer in the front but not too much. |
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