| jaak |
How do you say something like this, when you're incredibly happy, yet looking at the last 3 years and loving a vehicle and especially loving a fabulous group of people that share your passion...
Well, how about, it took one heck of vehicle to make me decide to part with my Murano.
But in a few days, this is what I'll be walking out to, every morning.... An Inferno Red Magnum SRT8. Yup, I bought an American (Canadian built) Station Wagon. |
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| MKevin3 |
| Looks like a sweet ride! You should enjoy it. Hopefully your MO finds a nice new home. |
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| jaak |
Yeah, I'm going to miss it, I know... But not, at the same time, if that makes sense.
Here's mine, the other was from a show... But it's the same. |
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| hfelknor |
Seemed inevitable.
I know that you are going to enjoy the dynamics, I just hope that you have as much success with the reliability that I had with my last Chrysler Product.
I had exactly 0 problems under warranty and had exactly 1 problem in the entire 7 years that I owned it (Idler pulley froze).
Hence, I almost panicked when I had 6 problems in my first 6 mos with the MO.
But it has been flawless the last 21 months.
It's a beauty!
Homer
MORE PIX! |
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| pcs15394 |
| I knew once you started talking so passionately about it that the Mo was a goner. Once a man gets the gleam in the eye and the foam at the mouth for a new car, there is nothing that can stop him (except the finance guy:D ). Good luck with your new ride. Nice color (colour). |
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| GripperDon |
About the same size as the Phaeton.
BIG
Have fun.
Grip. |
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| jaak |
Crap...
I'm going to miss you guys...
Yeah, I know, I'll still pop in, but it won't be quite the same without my Murano. You would have laughed at me in front of the sales guy.
I told him about 6 times, I've got a vehicle I love, so if you can't make it worthwhile for me to move, I'll see you when my lease runs out.
Homer, I saw the quality change with Daimler's acquisition of Chrysler. The products designed after, definately have a higher level of quality to me, in appearance. The LX platform (Magnum, Charger, 300) has been getting positive reviews all over. The german parts in the vehicles are numerous. (Bosch scares me sometimes, but usually ok...) And frankly? I've been absolutely PO'd at Nissan's attitude towards service in the last couple of years and that fried them. It frustrated me to no end that they make such a fabulous vehicle and stumble when fixing the issues.
pcs15394, you called it dead on. I was trying to ignore it, but it was consuming me and yesterday I went to see what they would do to take my Murano, expecting to walk out with an answer that my financial brain would not accept. The wanted my business.
Grip, the Phaeton's that big? Wow, it must be one heck of a nice car!!! Fun? Yes, I will be on myself to ensure this one lasts a long time and I don't abuse it. Part of getting the SRT8 is to fulfill a life long desire to have a hot rod, that's just never materialised. That 425 HP V8 sounds incredible, yet the car is very drivable as for day to day stuff. It's the perfect solution for all my wants.
Hmm... I have a Pac Audio adapter for sale too, I guess...
I know every time I see a Murano now, I'm going to smile and miss it. Especially the copper one. But I still get a pain in my gut everytime I see a 1959 Cadillac. I could have had one for free, if I just asked my father. No excuses this time, no justification of what I thought I should get, I went for what I wanted. After all, you only live once in this lifetime. (One of my favourite contradictory sayings...) |
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| SugarRushMurano |
We will miss you. Good choice on the new vehicle! Are you buying or leasing this time?
Bty, you are the second person in the Top10 posters of this forum who have sold his murano. (First is Grip if i am not wrong).
Will I be next ? :p
http://www.nissanmurano.org/forums/...ters&perpage=10
Thank you for being with us all this time. Hopefully we will meet again in another car forum! ;) |
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| dvg |
Erm, and on that note (feeling a bit like a hovering seagull) how much for the PAC?
That is one seriously nice car btw. A customer of mine has one clapped out with an anemic v6 - but tinted windows and a determined refusal to look below the waist of the car, and you can hardly tell.
Untill you check your right foot of course.
Variable displacement is back, right? And of course, a great big colour lcd screen to play with...
not to mention all the ponies. I do believe I am somewhat envious! |
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| Mr3Putt |
Enjoy your new ride Jaak!
Don't stray too far. You may not have the MO anymore, but you still got the knowledge!
If we can't pick your brain, then who's? Besides, your the only one with close up photos of every millimeter of this car! |
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| jaak |
SugarRushMurano, yeah, I'll say that I'll still drop in, but the reality is I won't be as motivated to be here every day. But you KNOW that the reason I will drop in, is to see what you're doing and how you're doing!
Obviously that brings in to question me being useful as a Moderator as well, but a number of the others have wandered off and are still listed. So tell Kris and Eric what you'd like to do and they can work with the Admin to make the right choices. I'll certainly keep my existing Murano site alive.
You can find me on www.lxforums.com a site dedicated to the 300/Charger/Magnum and filled with fabulous people, just like this one. Like nissanmurano.org, it has a class of people that rises above the average forum, so it's a delight to visit. And I'm still "jaak" there....
Of course, you can still PM me, as the system will let me know.
dvg, I appreciate the hovering seagull, as it's a shame to let this stuff sit around without a Murano. I see someone's PM'd me, if it's not you, do so and I'll tell you what I'm comfortable selling the Pac for. It's been in a couple of times, but not permanently, just playing around, as I always end up connecting the XM sat back up.
Of course, I'll be selling the SAT, the spare set of SL rims (three of the four with very used tires on them) and actually, I'm going to pull the rubber mats as well, which are in good shape.
The MDS, multi-displacement system is in the 5.7 litre hemi V8, but not in the 6.1 litre V8, so I'll have to be tender with the gas pedal when I'm on the highway. I consider the extra expense in fuel, an entertainment expense.
The one I got, does not have the Navigation built in. They had one in black, which looks good, but I'd never be able to keep in clean enough and my wife really wanted the red. The good thing is, I can drop it in anytime as it's literally plug and play. I've seen them on eBay at 2/3's the price of the option, so I'll do it eventually but no rush.
Mr3Putt, my brains are here for the picking, anytime! I'll fully disclose anything and everything I have on the Murano, to anyone who asks.
Now for the interesting part. Brand new vehicle, 25% higher purchase price, 180 more HP, RWD, slightly less insurance. Huh? |
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| jaak |
| The funny part of the first picture I posted, is the Nissan booth is behind the Magnum... Is that weird or what? |
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| GripperDon |
Bet that thing GOES.
What's: the interior color, width and weight, 0-60 etc. All the jucy details.
Grip |
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| ekaxel |
Nice looking. Enjoy!
Just as an aside. My wife and I couldn't even get in and out if a car that low! |
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| jaak |
Hey Grip,
It's a bit of a pig, weight wise, but goes? Yes... Low 13's with a number of people putting them in the high 12's in the quarter mile, with no mods or an intake and exhaust mod.
The demo I drove had 20 miles on it roughly and even at that point, when you floored it, you heard this rumble and definately felt the acceleration press you into the seat. I hear they really come on once you get past about 5,000, like the computer stops holding it back.
Jucy details? Well I feel a bit silly posting this in a Murano forum, but here goes...
From Edmunds as it's a nice summary...
Specifications
Type: Large Wagon
Where Built: Canada
Dimensions
Exterior
Length: 197.7 in. Width: 74.1 in.
Height: 57.9 in. Wheel Base: 120 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.1 in. Curb Weight: 4260 lbs.
Interior
Luggage Capacity: 27.2 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 72 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 5
Performance Data
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.55 sec. Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 117.18 ft.
Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 6.1 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 425 hp
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 420 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4800 rpm Drive Type: RWD
ekaxel, yes it it's even a half inch lower than the standard Magnum so I am a little concerned about my wife getting in. But that doesn't happen a lot, so I'm not TOO concerned!
Pictures? Well, here's some I've collected that aren't mine, but it's the same model/colour/interior.
OK, the first one is mine.. |
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| jaak |
| The wheel/brake close up. |
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| jaak |
| If you see this, know it! |
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| inspector |
jaak
I'm going to miss your informative posts and sence of humor.
You will be a great asset at any forum for your new inferno SRT8.
I'm sure it won't be long before you have the dash componets pulled out.
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| nissanlove |
| i was wondering why you were selling your rims. haha.ohh baby!! gorgeous. i absolutely love the seude and the rims. i see one sitting in front of the dealership every other day and it's beautiful. it's canadian built so it should be built right(supposedly). gonna miss all your tech stuff jaak. |
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| GripperDon |
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
Hey Grip,
It's a bit of a pig, weight wise, but goes? Yes... Low 13's with a number of people putting them in the high 12's in the quarter mile, with no mods or an intake and exhaust mod.
The demo I drove had 20 miles on it roughly and even at that point, when you floored it, you heard this rumble and definately felt the acceleration press you into the seat. I hear they really come on once you get past about 5,000, like the computer stops holding it back.
Jucy details? Well I feel a bit silly posting this in a Murano forum, but here goes...
From Edmunds as it's a nice summary...
Specifications
Type: Large Wagon
Where Built: Canada
Dimensions
Exterior
Length: 197.7 in. Width: 74.1 in.
Height: 57.9 in. Wheel Base: 120 in.
Ground Clearance: 5.1 in. Curb Weight: 4260 lbs.
Interior
Luggage Capacity: 27.2 cu. ft. Maximum Cargo Capacity: 72 cu. ft.
Maximum Seating: 5
Performance Data
Acceleration (0-60 mph): 5.55 sec. Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 117.18 ft.
Base Number of Cylinders: 8 Base Engine Size: 6.1 liters
Base Engine Type: V8 Horsepower: 425 hp
Max Horsepower: 6000 rpm Torque: 420 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 4800 rpm Drive Type: RWD
ekaxel, yes it it's even a half inch lower than the standard Magnum so I am a little concerned about my wife getting in. But that doesn't happen a lot, so I'm not TOO concerned!
Pictures? Well, here's some I've collected that aren't mine, but it's the same model/colour/interior.
OK, the first one is mine..
You got me by 1000 pounds ans 90 horsepower. !!!!
Start smiling again!
Grip. |
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| EasternPA |
Jaak.. hate to be the latecomer to the party, but I'm sure this thread will hit 100 replies.
Your contributions have obviously been totally invaluable and your detailed assistance will be sorely missed. You were the only one (that I knew of) who had an oscope at home!! Who's going to finish tracing out the N-Bus?
That's it folks! Mark my words! Now we will NEVER have ICE>Link iPod integration with the head unit controls and on screen display. :1pat:
You will be sorely missed. Every day. Enjoy the nice new ride! |
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| mgthe3 |
"jaak"
Always a :jester:
Yeah, I saw the writing on the wall months ago myself. I felt a bit of an affinity with you doing o-scope pics an all....I used to scope my P/S in my camper and send pics to the builder bytchin about it.
Good luck with your DC!
keep on givin us shouts when ya have the time, no matter if it is your new ride---the Mos brought us together---but we're happy for our bro's when they are happy in a new and different ride.
:)
*edit*
HAHAHAAAAAA
Just went downstairs and announced the "jaak" is selling his MO--my 12 year old went "WHAAAAAT?"
(BTW--he gave the same reaction to Don selling his)
Thought you'd get a kick outta that one jaak.
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| zebelkhan |
Congratulations on your new purchase. It was obvious you always wanted one and it is good to see you turning it into reality.
Enjoy the "maggie"...:D |
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| jaak |
Hey inspector, thanks! Yes, you're right, I'm already thinking about digging in to some of that, but I'm going to see how long I can hold off... No XM though, so I'll either have to switch to Sirius, build an adapter, or just look to see if I can hook up my Ipod. I think I favour the Ipod...
nissanlove, thanks, I know I'm going to miss it too, but I still think I'll pop in and see what's happening. I'm still a Murano driver right now! And I know I'll have to look closer at an '06. In four years I'll have to get another vehicle for work, so that's when the SRT8 could just become the weekend toy.
Grip, yeah, you feel this thing accelerate unlike anything I've been in for a long time. I just have to watch my speed. I hope it doesn't tend to creep up when I'm not paying attention.
I didn't look at the speedo, but I think it goes up to 190 MPH. (Not that the SRT8 will...) Yikes, that's 300 km/h! I was talking to a friend of mine and the drag strip near his home has friday night drags where you "run what you brung" for $5. I think that could be fun sometime next spring.
There's other events where people rent out tracks, maybe I'll find out one day what it will do, although I'm certainly in no rush... I like it and would hate to trash it. Certainly won't be doing anything stupid on the street with it.
EasternPA, thanks, you're very generous and kind. I would have done this, if I had the programming skills, or the time to acquire them. It still bugs me that there is no Ipod connection that spits out song titles to the display and integrates the controls, as it's all feasible. For me, even trying to work on it, was a pain, because I don't want to have my Murano torn apart all the time.
mgthe3, thanks, I totally relate! Of course I still consider you guys family, because I always enjoy coming here and seeing what's up. Wow, I never had any idea that Grip and I had fans that aren't old enough to drive! Pretty cool, huh, Grip?
I can still pop in to the off-topic and say hi, and I'm likely to do that...
zebelkhan, thanks! I know I'm going to miss the Murano in certain aspects, but the Magnum addresses many of the things I like about the Murano. Things I know I will miss are the auto up windows, the remote windows down. Finally my door locks will auto lock, though! When driving that is, not parked with the keys in. However, I am thinking about paddle shifters.... :)
You know what they say, it will pass anything but a gas station.
So, let's see.... In the commercial when he says "Dude, whattaya got in that thing?" I've got the Guitar, Amp, 2x4's, but I'll have to buy the surfboard... Maybe instead of the surfboard, I'll put in the 15 GHz, 40 Gigasample/second oscilloscope!
I'm already eyeing some of the parts on the 300, that I know will fit in the Magnum. Little things, like the inside door handles.
Finally, I will own the vehicle, so I can do what I want to it! |
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| toofargone |
jaak, your omnipresence will definitely be missed!! Thanks so much for all the excellent info and moderation work. Your efforts have surely gone along way in making this a really nice board, and, dare I say, vibrant community.
Have fun with the new ride. I have to say that it looks really nice (though I still like the Mo better :)) |
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| jaak |
Thanks toofargone!
But I'm just another guy on the forum. I didn't make it anything. WE did and I'm grateful to everyone for making WE possible.
So I don't think it will change much here... (And yes, the Murano is better looking, but in a different way!)
But thanks! I'll still pop in, as I think it would be tough to go "Cold Turkey" after three years of this! |
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| nissanlove |
ohh one more thing jaak, are you a "millionaire" like william shatner now too??? haha
and who knows if you'll have a change of heart when the new muranos come out.. hope the monster magnum has TC. i hear that there's alot of snow out there. |
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| jaak |
Yeah, Millionaire! I wish!!!
TC? Well Daimler Chrysler calls it ESP for Electronic Stability Program.
Normally it's on and I've found it to be extremely well done, in the 300 I rented, the Magnum I rented and the SRT8 when I took it out in the snow on Thursday afternoon.
In the 300 (with a 3.5 litre V6) I had it in light rain, very light, so the roads were quite greasy. I took it to a big empty parking lot and tried a few things. First I turned it off and did a couple of donuts, saw it would do a burnout and also tried to make it fishtail when doing aggressive cornering with the gas on.
In all instances I could force it to break loose and bring the rear out, but if you really push it hard, it still puts a bit of the ESP in, even in the "off" position.
Then I turned the ESP on and tried all those things. I could not do a burnout, but you could tell when the tires were just trying to break loose. I could not do a donut at all. And when I would push it in coreners, the ESP would stop the rear end from coming out, just as I felt it was letting loose and should have been swinging out.
If you floor it around a corner and it's slippery (at a low speed) it holds the engine back until you're going straight and then it lets it rip.
The ESP is so good, it was a huge factor in my decision to get a RWD car again.
On the SRT8, if you press and hold the ESP button for a number of seconds, it completely turns it off...
I love the Murano in the snow, and that's the one place it will definately do better than the SRT8. AWD and it's got much more ground clearance. I'll have to watch those curbs!!! Especially with the 20 inch wheels...
But having grown up in a family where big V8's were the norm, it's really nice to hear that 6.1 litre Hemi growl... |
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| hfelknor |
Just checked out the LX forum............hmmnnn.
Awfully full of zits.
Maybe you can help the (few) oldtimers bring some much needed maturity to the place.
Should have checked that out a long time ago.
Then I would have known that you were serious.
Over 700 posts in a big V8 forum, while you were driving a Murano????????!!!!!!!!!! :D
LOL!!!!!
Obviously it was just a matter of time.
Maybe you could take a couple of minutes and explain why the Magnum (Instead of Charger, etc)?
And tell us what you paid?
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| toofargone |
BUSTED!! LOL!
Hey, if jaak isn't here everyday, will it be covered by my warranty? |
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| jaak |
Yeah, the LX forum does have a real mix. I tend to ignore much of it and just pop into the threads that interest me. It's not quite the same overall quality of people, as here, but there are a number of them that are much like the people here.
I've been hooked on them for a while, but I've been trying to get past it, figuring I'd be in my lease for another year. Plus, having the title "Moderator" I figured it was really not cool to go on about the Magnum! If I could I'd keep the Murano and Magnum, but I have to admit, I'm pretty P.O.'d at Nissan's inability to provide an adequate level of service and stock known problem parts.
The Magnum, Charger and 300 are all basically the same car with different skins. I like the 300, but don't love it. I actually can't stand the instrument cluster in it, as it's so flat it bugs me.
I like the Charger, no doubt. However, both the Charger and 300 suffer from having trunks and I need to carry boxes every once in a while that are about 2x2x3 feet. As I learned with my Maxima, the only way I could carry that, was to jam it in the back seat.
So that takes me to the Magnum and it's ability to take that stuff, being a station wagon.
Also, I like the rear windows being tinted in the Murano. The Magnum also has that, unlike the other two.
There's also something about the styling of the Magnum that's locomotive like in appearance, that appeals to me. I also has a chopped an lowered hot rod look to it, which again, I find apealling. It's hot looking, but I think it's looks suggest more of a cruiser, whereas the Charger says "Hey pull me over!" a bit more. The 300 is the real sleeper of the three.
What did I pay? List, but they're not nailing me on the Murano. I'm basically walking away from it. It's funny, some parts the SRT8's are being jacked up in price, other, you can get them for less than list.
Even at list, It's a bargain, as it's priced about the same as a pretty loaded SE AWD here.
I like the R/T and that was my original interest. But by the time you put in the much better built engine, the brakes, wheels, interior upgrades, suspension and driveline upgrades, there's no way you could do all that to an R/T.
So why mess around?
It's a toy, but fine as a daily driver too. So I'm pretty happy with the idea.
Warranty? Hey even I was getting lousy warranty service, so that won't make a difference! Maybe it will improve now I won't have one?!
I'd say I've been hooked on it since August. But like I said, tried not to think about it, as I have a great car and a lease.
Last thursday was a surprise for me! Obviously they want my business!!! |
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| pcs15394 |
| DCX definitely has some hot looking products out right now. Quite the turnaround for them. Chrysler products are now carrying the company along instead of their Mercedes line. I love the look of the Challenger and hope that they bring it to production. The design is so old school that it may not be new at all, just a copy of the original. Looks hot though. Jaak - Good luck to you with your new toy and Thank you for all of the help you provide to us on this forum. |
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| zebelkhan |
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
...Things I know I will miss are the auto up windows, the remote windows down...
They have the solution to this. Maybe your first MOD?
http://www.kptechnologies.com/ |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
They have the solution to this. Maybe your first MOD?
http://www.kptechnologies.com/
Zelb, very cool products at that link! |
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| jaak |
Cool stuff, thanks zebelkhan!
When I was at the dealer, I was checking out the 300C at one point. The salesguy was curious why I had so much interest in it, when I was dealing for a Magnum.
I told him "Just looking for parts I might want to put on the Magnum!".
I think the 300 may have the auto up windows. I'll have to double check the Magnum, but I know I want the door pulls, as they're leather wrapped and the Magnums are plain. Since they're the same car underneath, there's an opportunity to put a number of 300 parts on, if I want.
Yes, I already have the service manual for it. Not as easy to work with as the Nissan ones... |
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| zebelkhan |
| The owner of KP Technologies was actually posting on this site a while back. I wonder if he is still monitoring the site and is willing to give discounts to the members...:D |
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| jaak |
It's mine... I said farewell to my Murano, sob, sob, sob....
I will miss it. But I don't regret what I now have. It's absolutely mind blowing. |
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| jaak |
| Is still a "Hot Wheels" car, just like my Murano was... |
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| hfelknor |
Time moves on, jaak.
But it seems to move faster all the time.
It doesn't seem like it was going on 3 years that I found this board and you and a bunch of Murano nuts. Most have moved on, if not from the Murano, then at least the board.
I did notice that Eric, Kris, Z, the Gonz and Moi' all joined within a few days of each other.
It was quite the good times.
We had a vehicle that definitely set a standard.
And no matter what cars we move on to, we will always remember the 2003 Murano.
Some of us will remember your selfless contributions to the 2003 SAT program.
It is very likely that without you and this forum in the summer of 2003, the 2003 Murano would STILL have that silly sticker on it and nobody would have SAT Radio in the 03's. You never know.
I wonder where the Murano will fit on your list of great cars?
First?
Probably not.
But well up on the list I would guess.
I know that you will enjoy the big V8.
Especially when the snow and ice go away.
Thanks for the memories, jaak.
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| jaak |
Wow, Homer, it certainly does...
Where does the Murano fit? Well it's still one of my all time favourites, and definately my favourite SUV.
I can't compare the Magnum and Murano yet at the same time, believe it or not, they have a common spirit for me.
They both have a high, rising belt line that gives them a great style. They both have storage in the back, tinted windows and seats that fold down. They both make me smile when I press the gas pedal. They both have great technologies put into them. The Murano's a better everyday driver, but the Magnum's sheer acceleration is awesome. They both turn heads.
And they're both a delight to drive!
As far as the memories, it's a two way street, thanks for the friendship Homer! I still hope to come around, but obviously, it won't be as much.
Sat radio in the 2003? I'm sure someone would have figured it out eventually, but I did get messages telling me that Nissan released the harness the week after I showed it did work, in response to that. It amazed me what one person can do, with the power of the internet.
Right now, when I look in the garage, there's this other vehicle. It's strange not seeing that copper beauty and I will miss it... The CVT is a wonderful transmission and I'll miss that too. But bags of torque goes a long way to making up for it. |
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| GMTURBO43 |
| Glad to see you took the plunge. The Magnum is one of my favorites and the STR8 makes it that much better. |
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| jaak |
quote:
Originally posted by GMTURBO43
Glad to see you took the plunge. The Magnum is one of my favorites and the STR8 makes it that much better.
Thanks! The more I drive it, the more I love it... It's truly awesome if you're into that kind of vehicle.
And the sound of the 6.1 litre Hemi, is just incredible.... :D |
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| CopperKat |
Bummer. From the title of the thread, I thought you were taking your car apart again. Never would have thought it was about you leaving. I know you'll still pop in, but it just won't be the same around here. I can tell that you're very happy with the new car, and I hope that it brings you as much joy as the Murano did.  |
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| jaak |
Well, the one thing the Magnum could be better at, is roll on performance. If you're cruising, a standard auto just can't respond as fast as the CVT.
But it's a minor thing, the vehicle's great otherwise.
You're right, it won't be the same again, and I am a bit bummed out about that. You guys are like family. (Hmmm.... Think about your family, kind of scary huh!) But I do love the Magnum, just a bit better than the Murano.
I must admit, the decline in my local service didn't help. Everytime I'd hear the engine mount whirr or see another drop of oil on my driveway, I'd get PO'd all over again, that they still hadn't called me with the parts in. I still haven't heard from them. Nor did the alternator get replaced.
We'll see how good Daimler Chrysler is. |
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| UncaDanno |
My experience with that brand:
I have a '96 Dodge Ram 1500. Only problem was trashed injectors from getting rotten gas. Not DC's fault. Also ruined the filters in a tiller, a mower, and the Mule. Service dept. didn't help all that much because the unusual nature of the problem didn't fit the script. They left the warm-air snorkel off. It melted from lying on the exhaust manifold. They replaced it, no questions.
I have replaced the dipstick twice. 318 c.i. engine has a LONG dipstick and tube that sticks out the front of the block. That cooling causes condensation on the dipstick. We had the same problem with the Rams that replaced the 5/4T trucks when I was in the military.
Boss Lady has a '01 PT Cruiser. Only problem was a failed foglight switch. Fixed under warranty in one afternoon. No "fix-related" damage, know what I mean?, either.
BUT, like any other brand, service depends upon the dealer. There are a couple in the area (home of the Cruiser, for one) that are very helpful, courteous, and at least appear to make an effort do "doubt themselves in deference to the customer".
There are a couple more, one in particular, that I wouldn't let check my tire pressure.
Besides, the Hemi has been around for a long while.
Oh, and about the sound of that Hemi: doesn't it just make your heart ACHE when you fire it up? We took a Charger, with Hemi, for a spin a few months back. When the sales guy fired it up, no gunning, just let it start, we both got all misty reminiscing about my Impala SS396 and her IROC Z 454. |
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| mgthe3 |
jaak
I sure hope you sent a letter to NNA about your service experiance and also mentioned this website.
Any half witted professional will do a web search on a car to see the ins and outs of it before they take the leap. And here they will land sooner or later---more than likely sooner--as I did on my first 5 minute search of the web on Muranos. And, it is, as the polls show, the techies who are the highest percentage of buyers.
It is a very powerful statement from jaak to say he has had it with service. I have seen jaak handle the naysayers of the Murano with finesse and an obvious love for the Mo. To see such a dedicated guy being treated so badly by his dealer......it speaks volumes only we techies understand. |
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| jaak |
I haven't written the letter yet, but you can bet on it.
I'm considering sending it to Japan, not NNA, as it really is a shame to see a fabulous product suffer from poor support.
Part of it is the local dealer, but part of it is NNA. To give the dealer credit, they did ask Nissan Canada if the CVT should be replaced with the transfer case, as that had been done in the past to resolve the leak. Something about the CVT case being damaged when the transfer case cracks.
This same dealer also told me:
The noisy engine mount is normal, they do that as they age. (Never did it on my Maxima!) But when I asked for it to be fixed with a different service advisor (which was what I got after I fried them in the service feedback form, coincidence?) they said they'd order it.
This same dealer's SA also told me the CVT cooling scoop was not really needed here, when they removed my damaged one. I found the CVT to be a bit sluggish on hot summer days e.g. high 90's and when I asked the Service Manager about this, he said definately not, and they ordered and installed one immediately.
I see this dealer as having some issues with the SA's. There was a SA I used 4 years ago with my Maxima, who was absolutely fabulous and made the whole experience very enjoyable, even when my Maxima's 2 year old transmission failed. It wasn't a destructive failure, just wouldn't go into anything but second gear.
So the delay in parts from Nissan Canada (who you could walk to from this dealer) isn't the dealers fault. However, the dealer knows about the transfer case weakness and the CVT replacement has been done already with other customers linked to this same failure. So why would Nissan Canada not stock this? Seriously, are you going to tell me they're afraid it will sit on the shelf forever?
I tell my customers, buying the product is only half of what we do for you. The other half is the support that goes with it. A smart sales organisation also recognises that post sales support is actually pre-sales investment in your customer for the next product. Don't make them love you during the sale and then frustrate them after, or they might go buy from someone else.
I got the Murano, because I was absolutely delighted with the Maxima and the service I received on it. I wanted to repeat that experience. Didn't happen.
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Oh, and about the sound of that Hemi: doesn't it just make your heart ACHE when you fire it up? We took a Charger, with Hemi, for a spin a few months back. When the sales guy fired it up, no gunning, just let it start, we both got all misty reminiscing about my Impala SS396 and her IROC Z 454.
Having grown up surrounded by big V8's, there's something about that sound that is just incredible. I test drove a Magnum R/T a few months back and the same thing happened. Just idling it sent chills up my spine.
The SRT8 is even more so. I asked my buddy last night, if it sounded as good outside as it did inside. He said, gas it when you leave and I'll tell you later.
So I did a short blast up to the speed limit and then took it easy after that. He calls me... Excited and bursting forth about how it sounds exactly like an old muscle car and that there was no mistake it was a big, powerful V8.
Yeah, I'm hooked.... And I've been reading some interesting things about it. Apparently it will go in excess of 160 Mph. But I will never let this one go there, I love it too much. |
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| jaak |
| This pic makes me a little sad... So long my Great Pumpkin! |
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| jaak |
I loved the Maxima. It only made it easier to leave it, knowing I was going to the Murano.
I loved the Murano, but going to the SRT8 Magnum, no matter how awesome it truly is, has been a bit tougher... |
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| GMTURBO43 |
This is kinda off topic...
Have you ever said to yourself -
"I could do that job better."
"I'd really enjoy doing that job."
I've often toyed with either doing car sales or potentially more enjoyable (and less lucrative) being a Servive Advisor. I know I wouldn't make what I'm making now - but cars are my thing. I certainly enjoy researching cars more than "IT Best Practices".
I think if I had to do it - I'd favor Nissan over the rest. Their entire line of cars excite me (to a point).
Any idea what a Service Advisor makes? I'm sure a lot has to do with geography... |
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| hfelknor |
Just to clarify one point made earlier by UncaDanno I think.
Ths is NOT the OLD Hemi.
This is a 6.1 liter Hemi, which is about 370 Cubic Inches. "Old" Hemi's didn't come in liters! and the Hemi that I bought and installed in my 1957 Golden Fury was 426 Cubic Inches.
(BTW although I don't think a crate engine exists, you can buy ALL the parts for this engine. This engine was "gone" for about 20 years but it is back!They STILL put them in drag cars, boats etc)
That engine had no rating, but most people agreed that it was at least 600 HP. Maybe 650.
It was a pure racing engine available friom the factory and came with NO warranty. I drove it (and ruled the street) for about two years and sold it. It was running just fine with about 20,000 miles on it.
But those 20,000 miles were done 1/4 mile at a time!
A slightly detuned version was found on the showroom floor and was rated at 425 HP. (Probably was actually closer to 500)
Speaking of 500 HP. I understand that a new 6.4 L engine was debuted at the SEMA show, and it is rated at 505 HP. It is detined for the SRT8.
And BTW there is also a 5.7 L version. But jaak got the good one.
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| njjoe |
Homer,
Out of curiosity, do you recall what you paid for that crate motor back when?? I know I'll just cry when I hear the hp/$$.
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| jaak |
I forget the detail, but there's been a change in the way they rate HP now vs. back then. One of them is with the accessories (water pump, alternator, fan..) on, the other isn't, so you can't match them, one to one.
In other words, 425 HP today is not equal to 425 HP 30 years ago.
Wish I could remember which way it is...
From www.allpar.com
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What makes the SRT version differentThe SRT version produces another 85 horsepower and 30 lb-ft of torque than the 5.7 liter Hemi, and only some of that comes from the extra .4 liters of displacement. The Hemi produces more power per liter than any past Chrysler V8, including the 1966 Street Hemi, though with the technology available today, that's not surprising.
Changes to the 5.7 include:
- The basic, deep-skirted engine block structure was redesigned with reinforced bulkheads to handle higher loads.
- To get more air in and out of the cylinders, SRT engineers bored out the diameter of each cylinder by approximately 3.5 millimeters in order to increase the total displacement from 5.7 liters to 6.1 liters. Cylinders are honed with torque plates to ensure a truer bore, to reduce friction and increase power.
- Oil squirters, aimed at the underside of each piston, are added to aid piston cooling for engine durability. A special oil pump pressure relief valve is added to accommodate the squirter oil flow.
- The oil pan and windage tray are modified to manage oil return to the pan sump at high engine speeds and improve power.
- Larger-diameter, flat-top pistons with high-load capability are specified to handle the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s compression ratio, which was increased to 10.3:1 from 9.6:1. Connecting rods are redesigned and make use of higher-strength powder metal material. New floating piston pins are introduced to handle higher loads.
- The SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s crankshaft is forged from micro-alloy steel and rotates in tri-metal main bearings for high-load capability. The crankshaft damper is retuned for higher engine speeds.
- The SRT 6.1-liter HEMI features cylinder head ports designed with larger cross-sectional area. This allows 11 percent higher flow in the intake ports, and 13 percent higher flow in the exhaust ports.
- A billet steel, high-strength camshaft features more overlap and lift for better performance.
- Intake valves feature hollow stems and 2 mm larger heads compared to the 5.7L engine, allowing more air flow. The hollow exhaust valve stems are filled with sodium to dissipate heat efficiently. Premium valve springs with external dampers enhance the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s valvetrain and enable higher engine speed operation to 6,400 rpm. The valvetrain system enhancements allow the peak output engine speed to increase to 6,000 rpm from 5,000 rpm — a 20 percent increase.
- Engine breathing is improved with specially designed intake and exhaust manifolds.
- The cast aluminum intake manifold is designed with shorter, larger-diameter and tapered runners for high-speed tuning. Internal runners are core-dipped to smooth the runner finish and improve air flow.
- Fuel injector flow capacity is also increased by 14 percent over the 5.7-liter engine. Electronic throttle control is shared with the 5.7-liter HEMI, but breathes through a revised high-flow air cleaner box outfitted with a tuned resonator delivering a deep performance sound character (and good for an extra eight horsepower).
- Exhaust headers on the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI are individual tubes encased in a stainless steel shell. Exhaust runners allow increased gas flow while maintaining fast catalyst light-off, while adding 12 horsepower over the 5.7-liter engine’s cast manifolds.
To control the combustion process, SRT engineers fine-tuned the engine management system using dual knock sensors with premium fuel.
So why aren't these items used in the stock Hemi? Well, in some cases, they demand premium fuel, a tradeoff many drivers aren't willing to make - 340 horses move nicely, and many won't spend an extra 20 cents a gallon for another 20 or so horses that will be hard for most people to feel. In other cases, it's gas mileage - the 6.1 is a performance motor and gas mileage was not the primary concern. In most cases, though, it's a matter of money; the standard Hemi does an incredible job of producing high power at low cost, especially compared with, say, similarly powered Volkswagen or Mercedes V8s.
Also, of interest.... From http://www.allpar.com/racing/roadru...-300C-srt8.html
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It's hard not to be impressed with any car that runs 12s. The fastest muscle cars of all time, 426 Hemis, 440 6 packs, 454 LS6 Chevelles, 428 Cobra Jets, 455 Buicks, and GTO Judges, were all mid to low 13 second cars at best.
The "average" stock 383 Road Runner, Z-28, SS 396 Chevelle, GTXs, 400 GTO, 340 Dusters and Demons Boss 302 etc... ran high 13s to high 14s. Sure, everyone knows that Ronnie Sox ran high twelves with a "stock" 1969 Six BBL Road Runner, and that Max Wedges and factory light weights were very capable of mid-low 12s, and we've all heard plenty of Hemi "urban legends" of amazing quarter mile times but, these were the exceptions.
The fact is, the SRT-8 would have smoked just about every stock muscle car that came out of Detroit in the 1960s and 1970s.
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| In a way, I'm actually happy I don't have this engine... I mean, where is enough? I'm certainly beyond it already! |
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| jaak |
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Originally posted by GMTURBO43
This is kinda off topic...
Have you ever said to yourself -
"I could do that job better."
"I'd really enjoy doing that job."
I've often toyed with either doing car sales or potentially more enjoyable (and less lucrative) being a Servive Advisor. I know I wouldn't make what I'm making now - but cars are my thing. I certainly enjoy researching cars more than "IT Best Practices".
I think if I had to do it - I'd favor Nissan over the rest. Their entire line of cars excite me (to a point).
Any idea what a Service Advisor makes? I'm sure a lot has to do with geography...
Dave, have you ever done sales? It can be a roller coaster of frustration and joy, as you are, and aren't appreciated by customers and management. I have good management, so I'm fortunate. But my general attitude is to actually help my customers, and most of them reward me for it. Others are just trying to make money and in the long run, they sometimes sacrifice the good will they have with a customer, for that.
There are good car sales people and good service advisors. When I find them, I'm a repeat customer. But without good management, you're doomed.
Not an easy job, but it can be rewarding. My best reward is the smiles my customers greet me with. My second best reward is how I'm compensated for that. And I never switch the two.
Oh, and you touched on one other thing. I refuse to sell products I don't believe in. Who wants the aggravation of dealing with that? If I don't have a good solution, I point the customer to where there is one, even if it's the competitor. Because often he'll come back and ask me again, next time. |
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| hfelknor |
Joe, I don't remember the cost.
It was hidden a bit anyway, since I just had the Plymouth Dealer order and install the motor.
I know that if you checked the Hemi (425 HP) on an order sheet, it was like 6 or 7 hundred dollars at full retail. But of course they saved the cost of the standard motor in whatever it was you were buying.
I'm gonna guess and say that I paid "around" 2500 for the install. (Yes you could almost buy a new car for that!)
I know that I was thinking about keeping my car stock and buying a Triumph Bonneville. So I must have had at least 2K to play with.............. ;)
They actually sold the motors pretty much at cost because they wanted them out there.
When I bought mine (in 1965 I think they were trying to amalgamate them for racing.....but the memory slips.
I know I never got a Bonneville and I was always a little sad about that.
But i will never forget my Hemi.:1:
jaak, the reason we couldn't run with you had nothing to do with the motor.
We didn't have any tires jaak.
jaak you have it right about how they rate motors now/then. They did it without Accessories then.
Why, I don't know, because they lied anyway. Both UP and Down.
Of course with all the games that were being played, no one really knew.
I remember when I bought my Duster 340 in 1970 and took it to the track I thought it was straightforward.
I weighed 3100 pounds and I had a 275HP motor so I would run the 327 Chevys. Even the 348s.
Well after I won, they moved me up in class.
And again.
When I left Englishtown (Because I was POd at their games) I was lining up with Chevy 396s and they had "factored" my HP at 340.
It was close, but I never won again.
In retrospect they were probably right, and I was probably getting a better deal on my insurance because of the low "rating".
Those were the days.
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| jaak |
I made a joke about getting a little red wagon from Santa for Christmas this year, so he's my favourite guy yet again!!!
Next thing you know... what do I get? |
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| Kris |
Somehow I had this feeling from the moment you mentioned Magnum..............I am sure you will miss Murano.........but then again 400+ HP, RWD. It does not get any better!
ENJOY! And do not worry about the Station Wagon stigma. Who cares? Think HEMI! :D |
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| jaak |
I still love the Murano and saw mine up for sale in front of Ontario Chrysler... Yes, the official jaak Murano up for sale!
The Magnum's engine is starting to loosen up. Holy schmoly, this thing is fast!!!! I think I get to use about 10% of the gas pedal range in normal driving. If I stomp on it, the ESP (VDC/TC) moderates it so I don't leave two huge black tire streaks on the road.
I've taken a couple of friends onto the highway with it, and just floored it up to the speed limit (a couple of seconds) from a rolling entrance, and they're just blown away by how brutally fast this car is.
Fortunately, it has a mild side that's easy to handle, so you really can choose to go fast when you want, it's not urging you on. Must be the bags of torque...
The strange thing is, I get worse gas milage if I put around too much. We'll see how it goes, as it breaks in.
Like the folks here, LXforums has a great bunch of people that I've met up with who share a passion for the cars. It's like a second home for me, from here.
I miss the Murano, but the Magnum does make me forget. It's amazing, and I'm delighted and astonished with it.
As you already know, mine's the red one... |
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| ekaxel |
"and just floored it up to the speed limit (a couple of seconds) "
That's 110 (62MPH) right? |
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| rjardine |
Technically that would be 100km/h (62mph) which is the max in Ontario. (Some other more liberal provinces such as Alberta and Nova Scotia allow us to go 110k/mh, almost 70, on the better roads!)
But I bet in jaak's case he was referring to the speed limit the traffic was moving at and if he was on the '401' that would be considerably more than the official limit!!!
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| jaak |
Well today the traffic was busy once we got on, so it was only up to about 110. Which is fine with me, as I won't speed in traffic.
However earlier today, I gave it some gas to pass someone, just a short burst, and I looked down to see 150 km/h. I wasn't even trying and I was already 50 over the limit.
So this thing has to be respected for what it can do.
I've read potentially they will go in excess of 170 mph, which to me would be something I'd try on a closed hispeed track, with safety equipment on, but no way on the open road. I'd likely have second thoughts about the closed track even...
One thing I do enjoy, is the rapid acceleration, on occasion. It's fun and as long as it's in an empty road and only up to the speed limit, I have no issues doing it.
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| BRRRRRRRRRRRRR. |
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| GMTURBO43 |
| I gotta say - I'm a touch jealous hearing about how fast this thing is. Having just sold the Typhoon - I long for another fast car/truck/SUV. |
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Originally posted by jaak
If I stomp on it, the ESP (VDC/TC) moderates it so I don't leave two huge black tire streaks on the road.
Bummer. You can turn that off, can't you? :22: |
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| jaak |
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Originally posted by GripperDon
BRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Don, it was! There was a good breeze and at one point I had to go inside and get a coffee!!!
Well, GM, as it's breaking in, it's getting faster. It's amazing.
So I had to drive to Buffalo to get my snow tires, and on my way, I saw a Prius. I confess, I couldn't help myself... I pulled up next to him and paced him for about a minute. Then I floored it.
I'm sure he was calling Greenpeace on his speed dial so they could hear!
About 5 minutes after that, a Viper appeared. We cruised together for a while, then he gave me a lesson as to what fast, really is... Made me feel good actually, I was starting to wonder if the SRT8 was too much power, but no, the Viper is! It's good to have your perspective adjusted.
Can you turn off the ESP? Yes, it defaults to Nanny mode, and if you press it once, it goes into a less intrusive mode. If you press and hold it for 5-6 seconds, it almost turns off. Pulling fuse #17 totally disables it and also turns off the ABS.
I leave it on almost all the time. I'll turn it off, when it's time to replace the tires, just to make sure! |
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| GMTURBO43 |
With any luck next year I'll either be driving a Trailblazer SS or a Grand Cherokee SRT8.
Both of them will need to be driven. I like the TBSS from an aftermarket perspective (LS2 engine from the GTO/Corvette).
But, I don't really want to give GM my business. I didn't care for the TB when we were shopping and bought the Murano. Is a big V8 gonna make the difference :)
The GC SRT8 is just cool. Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep is one of the more innovative car companies right now (next to Nissan/Infiniti).
The SRT8 is AWD only. The TBSS can be ordered either RWD or AWD. |
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| GMTURBO43 |
| Oh, I woulda done the same thing to the Prius owner. hehe. |
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| nissanlove |
| i'm just surprised that they didn't put HID's on either the magnum srt 8 or the charger srt 8. flooring it already jaak hahahha geez. didn't we have a proper break in procedure discussion on here haha. |
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| jaak |
Actually, it is part of the break in procedure! I'd look it up, but the manual's in the car right now.
HID's? Yeah, the concept SRT8 Magnum had them, the production model doesn't. Definately a disappointment, and definately a consideration for the future. (It feels good to own this one, instead of leasing, 'cause now I can modify.)
So far, it's a nice to have, not a need to have.
The Grand Cherokee SRT8 is hot! If it's anything like the Magnum, I have no doubt it's going to be a really nice vehicle. I am astounded that this thing is a Dodge. (Well, OK, you can definately see the Daimler influence!)
Now to get the Pirelli Scorpions on, before the snow hits... The F1's suck when they're cold and they're even worse, if not dangerous, on ice. They are 3 season tires, so it's not a surprise.
On the way home tonight, I came up to a stop light under a highway bridge. No one around, so I stopped a car length away from the light to try an experiment. I turned off the ESP and with no brakes, floored it for a half a second. Instant tire smoke.
I won't be doing that often, unless I get a deal on tires. But it was an interesting experiment. |
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| inspector |
jaak
Check out the movie "The Island".
Lots of magnum's in action.
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| jaak |
Yeah, I even bought it....
Boy, I go on vacation for a couple of weeks and all of a sudden my inbox is full. Sorry to anyone trying to PM me! |
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| jaak |
Still look at every Murano that goes by.... Oh, new one, saw the taillights, oh, one just like mine... :D
Hey guys, just thought I'd drop by and have a look around... Hope you're all doing well.
Me, still lovin' my outragous HP in my lead sled.
Just got Foosed as well... Damn sweet!!!! Also put a Corsa exhaust on. This from the guy that wasn't going to do any mods!
But I think driving this at Watkins Glen was some of the most fun I've had!!!
Anyway, keep smilin' you all have fabulous rides...
jaak |
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| mgthe3 |
LTNS
Sweet ride for sure. Tell us, how has it been?
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| KSmurano |
jaak long time......good to hear from you.
I love the wheels :cool: , I'm a little surprised about the Bling.
What size are they & what tires did you go with?
Did you save you stockers for winter?
It would be neat to hear a sound clip of the Corsa's.
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| jaak |
Hey my Murano brothers!!!! Good to talk at ya! :D
Yeah, me, bling, who would have thought....
Well, the Corsa was a moment of weakness, and I was second guessing myself all over the place, but it is nice...
I think Corsa has a good sampling of how it sounds here:
http://www.corsaperf.com/srt8.htm
Sample 3 is probably one of the most accurate.
The Foose? Purely by chance... I had bought a second set of stock SRT8 wheels off eBay, just like I did for the Murano, as Winter wheels. A friend of mine needed them for a Magnum in the movie Jumper being made right now, and he needed them quick. So we struck a deal where I got the Foose in exchange and he got my SRT wheels immediately. I had to wait, but wow, they blow me away.
Sizes? I'm running staggered. They're both 20's, 8.5 in the front, 10 inch wide in the back. The tires are 245's up front, and 275's at back, Toyo Proxes 4's. And the look.... WOW!
So they're the summer wheels, just got them and had to put them on, but they'll get pulled off shortly for the winter wheels.
So I got a deal on the bling, and weakened on the exhaust....
Now, how's it been? Or more specifically, how's it compare to the Murano??? Well, the car reeks of Mercedes parts underneath, the rear end, most of the suspension, much of the electronics, the transmission, are Daimler designs. So it doesn't feel like a Dodge. The Magnum, Charger and 300 are the same car, and rightfully so, they've won a number of awards for this platform.
There are some things from the Murano I miss... But it depends on what I want that day. The Murano's more civilized than this 425 hp lead sled, yet the Magnum is still a very nice car. Of course this one satisfies my boyhood desires of a muscle car and I'm enjoying that. Yet it's refined and astounding in it's capabilities. I drove the exact same model on Watkins Glen and was absolutely blown away by the performance as I was sliding the car through turns in an incredibly predictable manner, and much faster than I believed possible. The ESP (think VDC) is incredibly good, to the point where I can intentionally floor it and spin the rear end out, exactly to where I want it, and the ESP will control the slide and stop it where I need to go based on the steering input. Just wild...
Of course, any kid that's been to Walmart and seen a DUB Magnum in red, cracks their head around when they see this... Makes me chuckle, as I remember those days too. I happen to drive by a high school yesterday with the new Foose wheels on, and there were 8 boys in a group that just stoped talking and stared....
Hope to take it to a track one day, just to see what it will do, for fun. I've heard of people breaking in to the high 12's with these things, stock.
So far, I've been pulled over by three cops, wanting to check it out. No tickets, because I make sure I'm a good boy, but one of them even wanted to hear the Corsa, and blocked off a dead end street in an industrial area after hours for me, so we could both hear how it sounded. He had the car across the entrance to the road with the lights on, and told me to floor it both ways. Now, that's an experience! LOL!
The bad side? It demands your respect. You can be breaking speed limits way too fast. So I'm very careful with it. But getting to the speed limit is a lot of fun!
Of course, I learned from the Murano and this one is loaded with ALL the toys... Finally got the navigation and no regrets at all. It's pretty nice! |
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| nissanlove |
| how's the gas milage depending on whether you drive it hard or keep it tame?? |
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| jaak |
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Originally posted by nissanlove
how's the gas milage depending on whether you drive it hard or keep it tame??
You mean Joy Juice? Let's face it, you don't get a 425 HP 6.1 litre V8 to be fuel efficient. But that in mind, it's no worse than a truck or big SUV...
So I did some experimentation with it, when I first got it, to see. I can squeak out as much as 24 mpg (US gallons) if I am extremely careful, on a highway, keeping the speed down in the slow lane.
If I'm heavy on the gas around town, I can drive it down to half of that.
For me, gasoline is an entertainment expense and I don't fool myself about this at all. It's not a Prius and not meant to be one. I don't feel bad about it either, as people spend money on other entertainment that's just as frivolous. It also demand premium, like the Murano, so no advantage there, but bear in mind, I've got the high end performance model. You can get a 2.7, 3.5, 5.7 or the 6.1 in this vehicle. In Europe, they have a deisel as well and there's talk of bringing that here. |
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| Kris |
jaak,
good to hear from you.
I think you should get commission form DC for review like this! :D
I think I know what you mean. MB suspension has something. I do not know what it is but you get to the car and you think is kind of softy, then you start driving and at 200 kph it feels good! MB's are designed for speed and handling and still retain comfort. I guess that it.
Enjoy your drive....:) |
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| nissanlove |
| haha joy juice haha. well i'l glad your enjoying it and i envy all the drivers i see in the city with out. they're beautiful peices of machinery i'd rather the charger or magnum over the 300 but neither of the 2 have hids which is an absolute must for me now that both current rides have them. i could always put an hid kit, but it just won't be the same. |
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| Papermaker |
| How bad is the Gas Guzzler Tax? Up here it was 2,100 on a Charger SRT8. |
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| Corin |
HEY! What the heck? Who let that TRAITOR back in here! Can't we ban him from our forum????? :D
Nice to hear from you again, Jaak! Great to see you're still enjoying your new toy! |
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| nissanlove |
| i don't think there is a gas guzzler tax in canada. |
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| Stoker |
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Originally posted by nissanlove
i don't think there is a gas guzzler tax in canada.
Yes we do, it is called the GST. :28: |
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| jaak |
Wow, it's truly great to see all your posts guys....
In the US, the Magnum's classified as a truck, so it dodges (no pun intended) the gas guzzler tax. But in Canada I got nailed because of the engine displacement.
Kris, you're very right, it does feel great at speed. The SRT's a much firmer ride than the others, but on the highway it's a dream. A bit of mass helps too! |
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| hfelknor |
We went to my HS reunion last month and I rented a Dodge Charger.
This car has been much maligned.
Doesn't deserve it.
Would rather drive it than ANY Camry. ;)
Handles really well.
Unfortunately the rental mule only had a V6. I wouldn't have rented it if I had known......but I am glad I did.
You know what?
That V6 would be good enuf for 99% of the people.
Quite sprightly.
Good to see jaak around here every now and then.
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| Halo |
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Originally posted by hfelknor
This car has been much maligned.
Doesn't deserve it.
I think it gets the bad rep because there are those people that hear Charger and automobile and think of this:
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| hfelknor |
Those old Mopar muscle cars were great.
I had 70 Duster 340.
They factored me into C stock which at the time made me run with Chevy 396s.
Frankly I would rather have the new one.
I think it would take the old one.
0-60 in 5 seconds.....With an automatic transmission...
0-100 and back to 0 in 16.5 seconds
60-0 in 100 feet (about half of what the old ones would do. LOL!)
Yeah put me down for the new one........
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| Kris |
Homer,
I like the new Charger. It rides and handles quite well. The problem I see with it is the workmanship quality. I was driven in a Charger recently and Liked it. But when we parked it in a restaurant parking lot next to a Hyundai - i have to say the fit and finish on the Hyundai was much better. The gaps between panels were even and small. Not so on Charger! Otherwise it is not a bad vehicle. And drop in Hemi and ....:D :D |
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| jaak |
I agee with everything here...
I've noticed the fit on the hood to fascia could be better on some of the Chargers. I haven't looked elsewhere.
The Magnum and 300 share a lot of gaps, as the doors are identical. I'm quite happy with the fit on the Magnum, it's very good in most places. Again, the hood is where it's the weakest, but nothing terrible, it's just where I find it's not quite as tight and even there you have to be a bit A.R. to even spot it. (Not as bad as the Charger I saw.)
But overall, it's not what I think of when I think Dodge/Chrysler. In a good way...
Now if you're an introvert, here's the Charger model you want...
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| jaak |
LOL! Hi Don!!!
Hope you and your family are doing well!
Jim |
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| ekaxel |
| I was in Halifax last week, and noticed a lot of Canadian government Magnums...... |
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| jaak |
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Originally posted by ekaxel
I was in Halifax last week, and noticed a lot of Canadian government Magnums......
A friend of mine just got one, as he's with Canada Customs. 2.7 litre, so a kid on a bike could pass one, but at least they're better on gas for a station wagon...
Halifax from OR! That's a bit of a haul... It takes me long enough just to fly from Toronto to Portland! |
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