| hfelknor |
Hope this helps.
Homer
This is an unabashed plug for a web site and a report for those who like to detail
their Murano.
I have absolutely NO affiliation with the web site or ANY companies mentioned in this
letter or on the website. None. No connection whatsoever.
It has been noted that this forum, like many others I have belonged to thru the years,
for the various Cars I have owned, Mustang, Corvette, Miata, etc, always have some folks
who want to detail their beloved car, and are willing and eager to do the work,
but don’t know which products to use.
Some remember their Dad using Simonize on the old Ford station wagon
and wonder if it is still the best.
This site, www.gurureports.org , is the only place I have found that has actually run
an unbiased test of MOST of the wax and polish products out there on the market.
What I like about them is, they do not preach. They do not accept advertising.
They do the best job they can. They call a spade a spade. They buy all the products
on the open market, and they make a few bucks by selling their reports.
There are currently only a couple of reports out.
Waxing and Glass Cleaning products I believe are available (I sent for and have received
the wax report).
I will give you an overview of the product findings, but will not,
in deference to the young men who did this labor of love, give you all the details.
You SHOULD buy the report if you are really interested in these kinds of products.
It is very professionally done in a slick magazine format and has 52 pages of information
along with charts that show how each product did, on each test.
The test ran for 8 weeks on each product. And products were tested head to head.
Is it perfect? No. But it is without doubt the most comprehensive,
unbiased test out there, IMO.
They tested 46 waxes and polishes!
They divided them into wax (Cheap, Mid Priced and Expensive) and synthetic polishes.
To make a long story short, while recognizing that some people LIKE wax,
the Synthetics kicked the wax’s butt.
I will give you the winners of each category but you will have to buy the report
to find out HOW they tested these products and why certain products outdid their peers
and by how much.
The products that I have used, and feel that I know, were treated fairly
and I saw no obvious bias or no results that I would disagree with,
though of course, I was in no position to judge even one half of the tested products.
In the low priced waxes, the clear winner was Armor All Protective Barrier Car Wax
It was very reasonable at $2.50 and can be found on sale for 99 cents!
In the vast mid priced category, the Mothers California Pure Gold was the winner.
It sells for $9.95
In the Exclusive category of Waxes (and some of these were VERY exclusive!),
the winner was P21S.
It sells for $24.95. I have used P21 and it really is nice, though lacking in Durability as are ALL waxes compared to synthetic polishes.
As mentioned, the synthetic polish, like synthetic oil, is a clear winner
in these days and times.
This makes sense as the finish on the Murano (and all modern cars) is now synthetic
as opposed to the old “paints” which were formulated with some of nature’s materials.
They tested Blackfire, Finish First, Zaino, Formula 113, Klaase, and Liquid Glass.
The results were not only interesting, but how they got there was just as interesting.
As I knew before I read the report, Zaino was the clear winner.
This is easily understood if you have ever been a member of the above mentioned forums
or have entered cars in various car shows around the country.
I have been a winner with all three of my “cult” cars in meets from Calif to Texas
to Florida. I was also a loser in some of these meets. You can’t win all the time.
The top 5 are listed below with the GURU rating (0-4)
Zaino Brothers Polish - 3.53
P21S Concours-look Carnauba - 3.18
Klasse All-in-One & Sealant glaze - 2.94
Armor All Protective Barrier - 2.73
Pinnacle Souveran Carnauba - 2.60
I urge you to buy the report if you want to know more. It’s a great report. |
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| Enforcer |
Thanks for the file and the website. Great info! :cool:
Especially since I am planning on my first Zaino experiment this weekend! :D |
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| Nfilippelli |
great info!
I always knew that Zaino was better than Klasse,
but Klasse was cheaper, and easier to use.
When i get my next car (a non silver color) i will be moving to zaino.
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| hfelknor |
That's fine, nerf. Klasse is pretty good stuff.
It is difficult for some to believe, but I really don't care what other people use.
I use zaino and there are so many customers of the stuff that it
will never go out of business and I will always be able to get a supply.
The overwhelming majority of Vette and Mustang drivers
use Zaino. That is a large audience for the product.
I just want everybody to use what suits them. But many times people don't know what is available and what are the pros
and cons of various products.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone here didn't go out and get the Armor All for $2.50 and proclaim it perfect for their needs.
If so, my work here is done and this thread would have helped someone.
In the end that is the purpose of this forum...........for us.
What is the purpose of this forum for the owner of the forum?
Only the Shadow know.
Homer |
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| esemes |
zaino it is then.....
im an old-school mother's user, but will be more than happy to switch.....
is it (Z) readily available at the typical autoparts store??
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| esemes |
thnx!!
but, now im even more lost......
(which Z# do i want????) i want a product to apply every other month, as i would with mothers gold (carnuba)...
BUT, i also want a product, like a quick spray zymol, to use intermittently....
please advise
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| meckman |
Just get the kit. It has everything that you will need to detail the outside of your car. As for waxing your car, you shouldn't have to with the Zaino. I would recogmend applying a couple coats of Zaino and sit back and enjoy your MO for the next 6-8 months. If it gets dirty, was it with the zaino car wash and the use the detailing spray to make it pop.
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| Enforcer |
I bought the ZFX (added to Z2 & Z5 to hasten drying), Z2, Z5, Z6, Z7, and Z18.
Here is my plan:
1. Wash car with Dawn.
2. Clay car with Z18 using Z7 as lubricator.
3. Wash car with Z7.
4. Apply Z5/ZFX. (swirl remover polish - repeat until desired result)
5. Apply Z6. (gloss enhancer)
6. Apply Z2/ZFX. (final polish)
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| esemes |
enforcer....
you da man........
i could only imagine doing ¼ of those steps!!
my query....... if our 'finish (know not to say paint) is so advanced and synthetic, wouldnt it need less agressive maintenence to keep it as designed??
i mean to say, i dont mind doing a polish - wax - polish routine (after good washing that is), but im jus wondering as to what extent is overkill (believe me, i thrive on some forms of overkill, and am not faulting you in any way)
i realize its all in what your personal standards are for the appearance of your car, but.............
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| Enforcer |
Well...with Mothers it's wash and wax every month. THe Zaino is a layered process and once on, it outlasts and outshines Mothers. So if it lasts longer then the maintenance is less. That makes it worth it to me.
Maintenance is with the Z2 and Z6. If you let it go too far, then you'll have to do it all over again. But, this stuff is real easy to apply and real easy to buff.
And one other thing I've noticed with Carnuba waxes. If you get them on any black plastic/rubber trim it turns white and is tough to get off. |
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| graydonl |
I used Mothers California Pure Gold yesterday and it worked like a charm!! I wish I had found this site and your wax information when my MO was new. Thanks for posting this "gold mine" of information
Murano SL, Glacial Pearl, cloth latte, SL Premium Package |
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| hfelknor |
"my query....... if our 'finish (know not to say paint) is so advanced and synthetic, wouldnt it need less agressive maintenence to keep it as designed??"
absolutely!
With the quality of the coatings and especially the Clear coat, you could just wash it and after 3 years it would still look almost like new.
Of course I can take a car for a weekend and give it back to you looking better than new by a considerable amount.
Now, it has become obvious that you are a guy who likes to Mod cars. You like to improve them. Both in handling and in power.
Siurely you realize where I'm going don't you?
Isn't it fair to ask you Mr esemes sir, if the Murano is such a good car, can't it be enjoyed without spending a ton, on mods?
See how it works?
Some people are perfectly satisfied allowing the car to age gracefully. Wash only.
Some, probably most, are willing to spend a little extra time, making their car look really good. Wax 3 or 4 times /yr
Some want the thing to always look much better than new, even 5 years later. Zaino routine.
And of course there are 17 guys who will never wash their Murano and complain about resale value.
There will also be 17 guys who do the Zaino Routine every two weeks, win some trophys and ribbons, and complain about everything.
Nobody has to choose one of these categories.
Life itsownself will do that.
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| CTCJCC |
| I was eating lunch the other day & flipping through an auto magazine & came across an ad for a product called '5 Star Shine'. They claim that you wash your car (if it's new) once the regular way, wash with their special wash with polarizes the paint, and then use the final product which contains PTFE (apparently the same product used on pans that make them slippery & impervious to things sticking to them)! They say that you then will only have to hose off your car with water for the next few years. Supposedly you don't even have to wash it! Sounds way to good to be true and I'm very suspicious!!! Anyone ever heard of it or used it? |
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| esemes |
quote:
Originally posted by hfelknor
"my query....... if our 'finish (know not to say paint) is so advanced and synthetic, wouldnt it need less agressive maintenence to keep it as designed??"
absolutely!
With the quality of the coatings and especially the Clear coat, you could just wash it and after 3 years it would still look almost like new.
Of course I can take a car for a weekend and give it back to you looking better than new by a considerable amount.
Now, it has become obvious that you are a guy who likes to Mod cars. You like to improve them. Both in handling and in power.
Siurely you realize where I'm going don't you?
Isn't it fair to ask you Mr esemes sir, if the Murano is such a good car, can't it be enjoyed without spending a ton, on mods?
See how it works?
Some people are perfectly satisfied allowing the car to age gracefully. Wash only.
Some, probably most, are willing to spend a little extra time, making their car look really good. Wax 3 or 4 times /yr
Some want the thing to always look much better than new, even 5 years later. Zaino routine.
And of course there are 17 guys who will never wash their Murano and complain about resale value.
There will also be 17 guys who do the Zaino Routine every two weeks, win some trophys and ribbons, and complain about everything.
Nobody has to choose one of these categories.
Life itsownself will do that.
Homer
now now homie...........
i wasnt attacking those who use multi-step protection on their MO's (or any vechicles)... i was simply bring to light the necessity of doing such... (in florida, the sun WILL kill a paintjob in a years time) ...hell, i wash (and detail) mine no less than once a week.....
and yes, the mo is fine as is, ...... it doesnt need the upgrades i plan..... but it is my nature to research my cars (and bikes) to see what can make them even better, then decide if its something within my budget, or needs (normally the budget is the majority of thinking)....
now, back on track............ i will be trying the Z-line for myself!!
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quote:
Originally posted by CTCJCC
I was eating lunch the other day & flipping through an auto magazine & came across an ad for a product called '5 Star Shine'. They claim that you wash your car (if it's new) once the regular way, wash with their special wash with polarizes the paint, and then use the final product which contains PTFE (apparently the same product used on pans that make them slippery & impervious to things sticking to them)! They say that you then will only have to hose off your car with water for the next few years. Supposedly you don't even have to wash it! Sounds way to good to be true and I'm very suspicious!!! Anyone ever heard of it or used it?
LOL! And I made a joke about having a teflon front end for the bug problem!
Never heard of it, but it does sound a little too good to be true. Still, I'd like to hear from some that have used it. I'd try it but don't want to mess up my Zaino job. |
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| copperstreak |
Dare I ask...I have used McGuires (or something like that) Gold. No abrasive, and my car has no swirl marks or anything except our cat has got on top of the car and done that cat thing where they stretch out and pull back (scratch).
He left scratches on the top of the car that I was amazed came out with the wax. I can't imagine the car looking any better, but is there anything wrong with McGuires (sp?)? |
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| Enforcer |
Don't know what the report says but I've used Meguiar's 26 Mirror Glaze "The Professional Hi-Tech Yellow Wax". According to the label it is made with "the highest grade Brazilian number one yellow carnuba wax" and "contains polymers, resins and silicones for extraordinary durability". But I liked the shine of the Mothers pure carnuba better. :D
But now that I'm Zaino'd...all I can say is try it, you'll like it. :eek: Now that I have done it, I find it easier than Mothers and Meguiar's At first it sounds complicated but it really isn't. And the mile deep shine is...well I never got that with any carnuba wax. I even tried applying both the Meguiars and the Mothers. |
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| hfelknor |
Never heard of the teflon stuff.
Should work, but will take an oven at about 860 degrees to make it bond to the murano. That might damage your seats. And a few other things.
Geeze what do marketeers do to us.
How about we market a wax with STEEL in it! NOTHING is tougher than steel, baby.
Anyway, moving on to a serious question (Not to demean the Teflon Question, just the product!)
The Meguiars is thought well of by the Gurus.
But not necessarily for the Murano.
IF it is the Meguiars Gold Class that we are talking about, it finished midway, and they especially like it for "tired" finishes.
It is not the easiest stuff to get off and could leave white crap on your trim.
Does real well on Reflectivity and some other categories but all that went away after only 6 weeks. Not very durable. Not a problem of course if you wax every month or so.
Overall, a good, not great, product.
Better suited for older finishes tho.
Meguiars hides the scratches well, as does Zaino Z5,
But where Meguiars really does well, is that they make some stuff that actually removes swirls, not just hide them.
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| esemes |
its been my understanding (having used M's swirl remover years ago) that the M's stuff 'removes' the appearance of swirls only......
swirls are in the topcoat, and cannot be removed with a polish/agent... the M's fills the swirls with an oil, making it appear to have been removed....
i like their stuff alot, but this is what i was told some years ago.. |
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| Enforcer |
LOL! Yeah, but STAINLESS steel :D.
I can atest to the white stuff on black plastic/rubber trim. PITA. Comes off with some effort (toothbrush) and a little alcohol or dawn help though. Zaino just wipes right off with a cotton cloth, easy.
I don't think there is any way to remove scratches permanently unless you fill the valley (langka/refinish) or grind off the canyon walls (buffing). But the latter reduces the life of the clear coat and in some cases, the scratches can go right through the clear coat. Meaning you'd have to buff off the clear coat.
So the swirl removers, even if temporary, can be an attractive alternative. |
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| hfelknor |
quote:
Originally posted by esemes
its been my understanding (having used M's swirl remover years ago) that the M's stuff 'removes' the appearance of swirls only......
swirls are in the topcoat, and cannot be removed with a polish/agent... the M's fills the swirls with an oil, making it appear to have been removed....
i like their stuff alot, but this is what i was told some years ago..
Well then, you were told wrong.
Meguiars makes a fine cut, medium cut and even a heavy cut product that will REMOVE swirls and scratches.
I have never had the cajones to use the Heavy cut. I leave that to the Pros.
But I have used the Medium cut, followed by the fine cut, to do away with Dealer induced swirls.
You do have to be careful and you do need a Porter Cable random orbital buffer, or equivalent. And IMO there is no equivalent. But like most serious show guys, I am very biased as to my tools.
Now, if there are very heavy swirls then it should be turned over to a Pro, and he is more apt to use 3M products rather than Meguiars.
But make no mistake about it, Meguiars makes some very fine products to REMOVE swirls (and also a good product to hide swirls) and you can go tell whoever told you otherwise that I said so. :p
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| esemes |
okay... i am now standing corrected...
but dont get your tone or attitude whatsoever.....
i wonder, at what expense, does the 'removal' of the swirls occur?? i mean, the edges are smoothed out, thereby reducing the surface in other places??
this is a one-time application then?? |
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| hfelknor |
Hmmmnn.
Well yes, there certainly is loss of coating when these products are used. but the real loss occurred when the swirls were made.
The whole idea idea is to take the high points of the swirl and lower them to the current low points.
So I guess you could say it is a one time thing in any one spot.....depending on how much was removed.
Just remember, the loss was incurred at the time the swirl was induced, not in the repair.
Tone?
This is the second time you have attempted to measure my "tone" in an internet message.
I speak plainly and bluntly.
I won't apologige for that.
I dont look at messages for hidden messages.
I, for instance, never took your message that Meguiars didn't remove swirls as a challenging "tone". I did take it as message with wrong and misleading facts. It needed to be corrected as many people here who know far more than me about other matters, may actually have believed that Meguiers did not have these products available. And anybody can use them to correct swirls (With restrictions as I noted).
And I never replied to your strangely worded reply to my message concerning how different people treat car care as different people treat car mods. I didn't reply, because I believe in live and let live and because I am totally unable to tell a persons "tone" from an Internet post. It seemed argumentative but.........
Well, anyway, you are my first ignore. Good bye.
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| esemes |
homer
since this is now a personal post made public, i'll offer to you this (as unstrangely as possible)......
i dont (nor did i ever) seek an apology from you (as aforementioned) nor do i care to bicker with you about what the intent of a product is.... my experiences in auto detailing have led to different conclusions...
i thought we were on the same side of the fence with our views.... and my asking "why" on certain topics is to help generate a "why" and "how to" response (and to add to some site content and knowledge for us that simply dont know); not to criticize or belittle.... i guess that was not made clear by my rhetoric..
so, as per the design of this site, rather than 'ignore', (easy way out) maybe you can help enlighten me (and others that remain silent for whatever reason) as to the "why" and "how" of your carcare knowledge........thats all i was after....
to everyone else.... sorry to have hijacked this thread....
back on track..........
the only meguair's swirl remover i have used (granted, its been a few years) was the oil-based (?) product, that fills the swirls with the product, and will wear off in a short period (maybe say a month) of time/washes..... |
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| Enforcer |
| Homer, what is the model number of your Porter Cable random orbital buffer? And is it a low rpm one? And why do you like it? And any tips on where to find it? |
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| copperstreak |
I noticed before I waxed with Meguire's Gold that the paint on the Murano does not reflect perfectly flat, or has very faint/small bumpy distortion. You will notice this on many vehicles if you view the hard edge of a reflection.
This is not wax build up (though I understand wax can do that), just something about the way the paint or clear coat goes on.
Anyway, I was wondering if Zaino will actually make a flat slick reflection after multiple coats? It sounds like it will from the website and other people's experience here. I probably won't mess with it till the Spring. Then I will probably do the Dawn car wash and Zaino system. I am less concerned about a auto-show/wet shine then I am about protecting the paint. Actually if it gets too reflective I have a hard time finding it in the lot ;) |
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LOL!
I was going to ask the same question but in a different way. I call what your talking about "orange peel". And yes, it's on all new cars. I saw a black Mercedes and a Black Z (brand new) at my dealer the other day and the Mercedes was actually worse. Wish I had taken my camera. This was a big topic on the Z forums. Shows up really well on dark colors and seems to be more prevalent on the sides/slopes. May just be an optical illusion thing, I don't know. But I don't see it as much on the top of the MO. My GP hides it pretty well. I've got a few coats of Zaino on and the effect is reduced but not gone like it was with a few coats of carnuba. And I'm a Zaino newbie so I may be doing something wrong. And I'm wondering is Z2 or Z5 the best for this and how many coats will it take? I think the answer is...depends. Which is fine. And if it's a matter of buffing...well it'll just have to stay that way. |
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| hfelknor |
My Buffer is a 7336.
I like it because it is fairly light, very maneuverable, is the right size (mid size-6") and has a nicely variable speed down to very slow. You need to buy this bad boy from a pro tool shop and you need to talk to the guy about pads and counterweights. Or you need to contact Griots Garage on the Internet as the prepackage this thing with just what you will need (Orat least they used tO)
There are a bunch of pads out there and you don't want to save money on pads. You can trust 3m pads (of course) and a brand that you see around occasionally that I like is called Lake Country has a good rep as does Meguiars pads tho I have never used them.
With Carnauba wax, I applied and buffed with my PC. but with Zaino I only buff. I apply Zaino by hand........and I don't know exactly why.
IF you apply with a buffer you have to be careful not to "sling" product. (Of course if you sling or throw Zaino, you have used far too much ;) ). So if you ever do apply, turn the PC on it's back. apply the stuff to the pad, turn the PC over and with the PC turned OFF, spread the stuff around and then turn the buffer on.
When using the PC to apply/buff good quality wax (like P21s) or Zaino, you do not have to press down on the buffer at all.
Let the pc do the job.
The ONLY time you press down in an orbital is if you are doing something like swirl removal, with something like Meguiars Medium Cut Cleaner. And then you better be careful. Once you cut too far, it's all over. And then you come back with the Fine Cut Cleaner and let the tool do the work. Then finish up with a mild polish, again letting the tool do the work.
In the olden days, we used to have to really push down on our buffers when working with heavily oxidized paint. But I haven't seen paint like that in years. Meybe it's because I buy better cars?
Copper, one continuing failure of most japanese cars and I think, Nissan in particular, is "Orange peel" paint. There are many theories about what causes it, but all pretty well agree is that it is caused by a painter that doesn't quite know what he is doing.
There is something wrong with the application process, Most likely, the paint is being applied too liberally although I'm starting to get into an argumentative area and I am not a painter.
Since on an Auto assy line it is computer controlled, we know that the beauty of mass production takes over and all the nissans probably will have a substandard paint job. Look at a Jaguar (Ford) if you want to see a beautiful paint job.
Even the $30K Jag.
The Murano Orange Peel is not bad. Some are much worse.
By the time you get to 5 or 6 coats of Z2 you will not notice the Orange Peel on your Murano.
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| dklanecky1 |
I can completely support the statement that the meguiars "apparently" fills in the scratches.
It's been my experience that the scratches will magically reappear in exactly the same places in a few weeks as the wax wears off.
I used Meguiars exclusively on my 95 Maxima (Deep Evergreen color) for years and the products are in general very nice. The newer sealers (Klasse and Zaino) are far superior IMO.
I'm using the Klasse All in One and their high gloss sealer. Then I top it all off with a good quality carnuba wax. I really like the Pinnacle Souveran Wax.
Incrediblely easy to put on (like softened butter and easier yet to wipe off) but it doesn't last much more than 6-7 weeks and it is expensive.
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| LKimura |
Enforcer...
First, thanks for all the information you've put onto this forum. It's great reading.
Here is a great forum for car detailing. There are a lot of professiona detailers that use this page and share their technique. All types of waxes, synthetics and swirl removers are discussed here. I have no affiliation with this page. Just someone that wants information.
Some swirl removers are fillers by the way. (re: other responses in this thread)
Do a search on the porter cable. I recall some threads on locations to get the best price.
Good luck. Glad you've tried Zaino. It's the best.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/index.php |
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| copperstreak |
I think we might be talking about two things here? The waxes/cleaners with varying levels of abrasive will remove major swirls to minor scratches by taking the surface down just the microscopic level it needs to equal the "valley". Of course I would not use those on new paint (ever).
I had some Cat Scratch Fever on the top of the car and I cannot see it now. No matter how hard I look. It seemed to rub away with a non-abrasive wax (Mcguires Gold). Maybe there is a subtle amount of abrasive with any wax that requires considerable elbow grease to buff out? You get minor abrasion just in rubbing it off with a cotton towel? I guess if it comes back with with a good wash or in time, I will know. The scratched seemed to barely penetrate the clear coat, and seemed to magically rub away in buffing off the wax, so we will see. |
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| jloebick |
| I've been using MaGuires polish and carnuba wax, and although it is a little extra work, using both turns the surface of the Murano into something magical. After a month of driving through many rainy days and a construction zone where they are widening the road (lots of dust in the air), the Murano still looks like it was just washed! If nothing else, try polishing your car and then giving it a good wax, the extra work REALLY pays off. |
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| hfelknor |
Many people PREFER to use both.
Why?
Well there is a "happy marriage" that takes place.
Polymers actually bond with the Polymer coartings that we call "paint). (And BTW the Clearcoat is the very same as the color "Paint" it just doesn't have pigmentation added.)
So Polymers bond, waxes don't. Waxes just set on top of polymers.
Part of the reason they don't have the durability.
But do waxes do something "magical"?
Some people think so.
They DO make a difference.
If you use just polymer, and add coat after coat, you will eventually after 5 or 6 coats achieve a glass like finish that is optically perfect. Or at least 99.99% perfect. Wax folks say it looks "synthetic".:cool:
Wax folks like wax.
Wax is not optically perfect.
It imparts a glow.
Some really like the glow. And it is a traditional look.
That's why, when you get back to the car shows that feature the "real" classic pre war cars, you won't find synthetics being used.
They will only use carnauba wax. (Of course durability, which waxes lack, is not a concern either, since these old bentlys and duesenbergs, etc, rarely see the outside and never see acid rain, etc.).
So, some people, like jloebick, will put on a synthetic polish and follow it up with a wax.
They get the protection of a synthetic and the "glow" (But not the reflectivity) of a wax.
I've done it too. That's how I know of P21s.
If you are willing to experiment, just put a coart of P21s on your zaino finish. Just 1 coat. Multiple wax coats don't help.
And if you don't like it, you can wait 4-6 weeks and it will be gone or you can just wash your car with Dawn and that will take the wax off and won't touch the Zaino.
But you just may like the look. It IS cool. It will not win concours but what the hey. If you like it.............that's all that counts.
I like it but can't make up my mind which I like better so I switch back and forth.
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Thanks Homer! I'll find one, will try Griots Garage. And will try the P21S when I'm done with 5 or so Zaino coats.
Yeah I know, big argument area, I just know what my father has told me and he used to have a body shop in the late '50's (lead, lacquer etc) and the last time he did any work for us boys was in the 80's so his knowledge is a little outdated but I think it still applies. May be some issues with the new finishes.
The thing I don't get is, I have been told that Nissan paints their vehicles with robots. Presuming it's true, I would think they ought to be able to get it tuned and prevent it.
Anyhow, can't imagine using the buffer for Zaino, too easy and effecient by hand. Want a slow speed buffer, variable is fantastic, to take care of some home issues now (shower scratches) and maybe automotive in the future. But want to buy a good one. Everything around here is high rpm and cheesey. |
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hmmmnnnnn. Shower scratches..........
Well.............
Let's start over.
How slow is slow?
On the ideal tile buffer, it might be 600RPM.................?
I've used a variable speed drill (Dangerous because it is a direct drice, circular motion.....) with a pad, on scratched Kitchen tile.
On a random Orbital Buffer used on autos..............its about 2500 rpms.........variable up to 6000 RPMs.
So........"slow" is relative.
Homer
Oh yeah, all "paint" in the factory is Robot now..........well except for certain low volume ops. Last I heard, RR and Jag are still hand painted.
The thing with robots is that once parameters are built in, then the robot can only paint within those parameters.
A man has an INFINITE number of parameters.
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Thanks LK.
I've got to start a new thread now that I've hijacked this one on buffers... |
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