| hasaanbhutta |
........ on yourself, on car or on your driveway...
some of you might already have this or heard about this.... its called fomoto valve.
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i think its pretty cool solution to all the messes ,.... and at 25 bucks its one time investment..... |
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| Stoker |
| Interesting part, would probably make changing oil easier, but I wolud worry if something hit it and damage it. |
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| Eric L. |
I have a fumoto valve. Works as advertised! I first heard of this from the WRX crowd.
I did not get the one with the nipple attachment for the drain tube, but the MO has plenty of clearance for it, so I recommend you get it.
For those worried about damage, ZERO clearance issues with the fumoto valve (since the drain plug hole isn't quite on the bottom, the valve doesn't stick far below, if even at all, the bottom of the pan). The front suspension member is easily a couple inches lower than the bottom of the fumoto valve. |
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| njjoe |
Nice little gadget.
I've seen similar valves on boats, where in some I/O installations there is little room to swing a wrench.
It would be ideal for the MO, since it would be facing rearward and protected by the oil pan.
-njjoe |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
I have a fumoto valve. Works as advertised!
Eric,
I assume the lever is spring-loaded, with the spring keeping it pushed down into the detent position. Yes?
-njjoe |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Eric,
I assume the lever is spring-loaded, with the spring keeping it pushed down into the detent position. Yes?
-njjoe
Yep, like the website says. It is both spring loaded and on the "closed" position, you can push the lever down into a detent to "lock" it. There is resistance turning the lever as well, so even if it became "unlocked" for whatever reason, its virtually impossible to turn the lever (to open the valve) by accident.
I was skeptical about this product too, until I bought one and tried it out! |
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| Corin |
This is very cool. I'm going to get me a couple! Wife's car and MO take the exact same size. Just need to check her clearance and position to see if I want the nipple on hers.
Awesome find!
What do you think: Order direct from fumoto or is there another location I could get it cheaper? |
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| Corin |
Of course, this doesn't solve the messiest problem of changing the oil. I will still be dripping oil all over the place when I unscrew the oil filter...
Anyone find a good solution to that one yet? |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Corin
This is very cool. I'm going to get me a couple! Wife's car and MO take the exact same size. Just need to check her clearance and position to see if I want the nipple on hers.
Awesome find!
What do you think: Order direct from fumoto or is there another location I could get it cheaper?
I googled the WRX forums to look for fumoto discount codes, and ended up getting 15 or 20% off my order. The codes are changed every few months, but there should be a current one out there. If you cannot find one, maybe we can get a special deal setup for this forum if you can round up get enough buyers. |
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| Stoker |
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Originally posted by Corin
Of course, this doesn't solve the messiest problem of changing the oil. I will still be dripping oil all over the place when I unscrew the oil filter...
Anyone find a good solution to that one yet?
Corin
I have always changed my filter out first so that the cool oil would be the first out and the oil collection pan would be empty. This has worked for quite well for me as it minimized the oil that could be spilled. |
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| Corin |
| Do you mean to say that you actually put your oilpan under the filter to catch the drips? Can you fit it between the struts (or frame, or whatever it is there)? Mine certainly won't fit. I'm trying to devise some plastic sheet or something that will divert the dripping oil around the strut and into the pan, but have yet to find a good solution. |
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| GripperDon |
| someone make a remote mounting kit for a oil filter. One that would attach one end to the present filter location and the other to a filter mount that would be more convient. I thought such a thing was shown on the forum somewhere before. |
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| Stoker |
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Originally posted by Corin
Do you mean to say that you actually put your oilpan under the filter to catch the drips? Can you fit it between the struts (or frame, or whatever it is there)? Mine certainly won't fit. I'm trying to devise some plastic sheet or something that will divert the dripping oil around the strut and into the pan, but have yet to find a good solution.
Corin
Yes I put my oil collection pan under the filter to catch the drips, then i screw on a new filter and wipe up the small amount of oil that has dripped on to the frame below it. I use the OEM filter and the internal check valve holds back a lot of oil but not all of it. |
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| Frumunda Cheese |
| Yes I have seen the oil filter relocators in performance products magazine. I know it was available for my old Toyota Tacoma. Not sure about the MO. www.performanceproducts.com |
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| UncaDanno |
You can get an adapter here.
And an actual filter relocation kit can be found here (go to the bottom of the page and search for "oil filter relocation").
4X4 has single- and double-filter units.
The "interesting" part would be seeing if there is enough clearance for the hoses, routing the hoses, and mounting the filter brackets.
You'll still get some spillage when removing the filter. Maybe even more, depending upon how much of the hoses are above the filter bracket. So you'd need to mount the filter bracket somewhere where you can catch a bit more oil.
This is from experience: I had an S10 Blazer with a remote oil filter mounted on the driver-side wheel well. Had to use the bottom half of a washer fluid jug to catch the oil when I changed the filter. |
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| njjoe |
I had an MGB with a remote-mounted oil filter. The dealer touted it as a time-saving feature that would let me easily and cleanly change the filter. I remember thinking it was a neat feature.
However, it was during the first oil change that I realized the oil filter was mounted with the screw-on opening facing the bottom. So as I unscrewed the filter the oil would run down over everything. Nice design, poor execution.
-njjoe |
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| UncaDanno |
Yep, that's the way mine was mounted. Just loosen the filter and watch the oil cascade down the perimeter!
I always thought that it would be better if the bracket was canted a bit so the oil would dribble down one side and would be easier to contain. |
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| gang |
quote:
Originally posted by Corin
Of course, this doesn't solve the messiest problem of changing the oil. I will still be dripping oil all over the place when I unscrew the oil filter...
Anyone find a good solution to that one yet?
My low-tech solution is to use a flat-bottom, small soup bowl. If you find the right size, it will sit on the control arm (or whatever you call it) right below the filter. |
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| HuskyFan |
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Originally posted by gang
My low-tech solution is to use a flat-bottom, small soup bowl. If you find the right size, it will sit on the control arm (or whatever you call it) right below the filter.
I would think you would drain the oilpan first to mimimize the amount of hot oil around the filter. Then use a small plastic garbage bag to surround the filter as you remove it catching the filter and dripping oil. Just an idea, I haven't done it myself. |
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| Corin |
| I have sent a message to them asking if we could get a discount for OUR forum members, rather than taking a discount code that was specified for some other group. I'll let you know if/when I get a response. |
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| Gonzo |
I think the bigger problem is removal of the oil filter. The nut on the pan isn't too bad... I wear latex gloves when I do an oil change and when I remove the plug I get minimal oil on me. You really need some type of plastic funnel the would not only fit under the filter but curve around it from the outside over the frame to your oil drain pan.
I think if you use anything like a pastic bag/tin foil etc it will be messy. My current procedure is to just jamm 1-2 rags under the filter and remove it. It is still messy.
Hmmmm maybe the new gas tank shield could be used for this purpose.... it might just fit. |
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| Corin |
Well, I never got a response from them, so I went in search of a discount code that was still active.
Finally found one for 10% (YM4), put in my order today for two of them (my car and my wife's car, both the same size). |
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| NCtravellinman |
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Of course, this doesn't solve the messiest problem of changing the oil. I will still be dripping oil all over the place when I unscrew the oil filter...
Simple. Just take a adequately sized piece of aluminum foil and wrap it around the frame member and fold a channel where all the oil drains into the waiting pan underneath. When finished, just wad up the foil and toss it in the can. |
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| Gonzo |
| Something tells me that would be worse. Have you tried your tin foil solution? |
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| NCtravellinman |
quote:
Something tells me that would be worse. Have you tried your tin foil solution?
About once every couple of months. You don't wrap the foil completely around the frame member. You form somewhat of a tent over the frame member and fold the edges something like a culvert.
Best I can do to describe it without being there. |
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| larez2 |
Fram makes something similar called "sure drain"
http://rustysoffroad.com/article_framsuredrain.html
It works really well. It does stick out more so than the stock drain plug bolt, which is worrisome. It has a screw on cap for added protection, which I actually prefer over a lever.
Larez2 |
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| Judge77 |
Yep, I've got that Suredrain plug on a couple of my cars. It sticks out ~ 5/8" - 3/4", but not below the level of the pan on either car. Its got its own drain tube that I just stick in the hole of my oil catch pan.
still doesn't fix the filter mess, though. :8: |
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| Supa Lao |
| Ordered my plug today. The coupon code that Corin posted (YM4) for 10% still works |
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| Corin |
Just changed my oil again and had to chime back into this thread to comment once again on how nice the Fumoto valve is for keeping things clean during the oil change.
I have also completely solved the "oil filter drip" problem when changing the oil with a tupperware container. I've used this container for the last couple oil changes, and that method combined with the Fumoto valve, I don't have to clean up ANY mess anymore. In fact, the messiest part now is dealing with the funnel used to put new oil in. I think I need to get a better one, now that I think about it....
The tupperware container dimensions are: 7.5" X 4.5" X 2" (LxWxH). Anything taller than about 2.25 inches will probably be too tall to fit into this gap. |
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| Eric L. |
| Good tip Corin. I have the fumoto valve too and its fantastic! |
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| Gonzo |
Thanks Corin. I just changed my oil yesterday and tried a plastic container... it caught the oil as I unscrewed the filter but wasn't long enough to catch the oil as the filter was removed. I will seek out a container to your measurements.....
Thanks for the help. Do you remove the splash shield on the wheel well prior to changing the oil too? I have not been. |
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| manitoba murano |
| I'll give this a try tomorrow. Not sure if I'll have the manual dexterity, being -20 and all, but every little bit helps. |
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| njmo |
You just cost me a few bucks but saved me precious time in the future. Just ordered valves for both cares and will hunt a plastic container down at the dollar store for the filter change. I cant tell you how many times I more time locating a wrench or socket as I did getting the darn bolt off.
Thanks to all on this thread!
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| Corin |
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo
Thanks for the help. Do you remove the splash shield on the wheel well prior to changing the oil too? I have not been.
Yes, I DO remove that splash-shield. You can see in the picture where it was removed (little holes with a relatively "clean" circular pattern). By doing this, I don't have to drive up on ramps or anything. Just turn the wheel all the way to the right, and there is plenty of access.
It's really quite easy to remove. 4 little push-clips. I use a long and wide-head regular screwdriver to pop out the center of the clips. Putting it back on is much harder, as a couple of the clips actually have to go through 3 layers of plastic before pushing the pin back in. Once you figure it out, though, it's much easier. So just be prepared for some frustration the first time you do it, but understand it will get easier each time. |
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| Corin |
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Originally posted by njmo
You just cost me a few bucks but saved me precious time in the future.
Ha! :D
I debated for a while whether it was really worth the price, but after a total of 4 or 5 oil changes between our two cars, I definitely have no regrets. |
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| Corin |
Sorry, one more comment.
When you INSTALL the Fumoto valve, make sure you really take the time to position it well. Drive up on ramps or something so that you have plenty of room to move around under there, and play with it a bit to make sure it's not only secure, but that the lever is positioned well.
The thick washer will give you flexibility to position the lever pretty much wherever you like. Make sure it's not hanging DOWN in the closed position where a rock could possibly knock it open (unlikely, but I suppose possible), but also make sure it's not hidden up above where it would be hard to operate it with your fingers. |
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| Gonzo |
quote:
Originally posted by Corin
Yes, I DO remove that splash-shield. You can see in the picture where it was removed (little holes with a relatively "clean" circular pattern). By doing this, I don't have to drive up on ramps or anything. Just turn the wheel all the way to the right, and there is plenty of access.
I might try that... I've been doing the changes without removing it NOR turning the front wheels. I'm still able to do it without ramps too. |
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| Canoman |
When my Fumoto came in, it had 2 gaskets on it. I installed with just one of the gaskets, but I've leaked some oil. Just wondering if anyone else installed with 2 gaskets or if that was just a mishap when it was packaged...
Thanks. |
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| Corin |
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Originally posted by Canoman
When my Fumoto came in, it had 2 gaskets on it. I installed with just one of the gaskets, but I've leaked some oil. Just wondering if anyone else installed with 2 gaskets or if that was just a mishap when it was packaged...
Thanks.
I don't remember 2 gaskets, I'm pretty sure it only had one. But it was a couple years ago. I've never seen any drips of oil on my garage floor (other than what was caused by myself during oil changes). |
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| Canoman |
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Originally posted by Corin
I don't remember 2 gaskets, I'm pretty sure it only had one. But it was a couple years ago. I've never seen any drips of oil on my garage floor (other than what was caused by myself during oil changes).
I went out last night and tightened it some more and put some clean paper towels down underneath the Fumoto so I could easily tell if it'd leaked overnight. It did. I don't know what to think now... The one I put on my Mustang hasn't leaked. The one on the MO seems to be leaking around the threads, not through the inside. I'm afraid I'll damage some threads if I crank down on it much harder. Any suggestions??
I've always changed the oil myself and used a torque wrench to tighten the plug to the torque spec that I found on this site... |
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| BikerJohn |
If I'm not mistaken; the gasket that came with mine was a cork-type.
Perhaps the valve may have been tightened too much and creating a gap around the valve?
Have you tried to remove the valve and install the other gasket to see if that helps? I realize that you do have to drain the oil from the pan-perhaps a clean container will enable you to re-use the oil.... |
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| Corin |
Yeah, that's my only thought as well. If it's not bad, wait until your next oil change and then replace the gasket. You got two of them, right? try the other one?
What about using teflon tape on the threads as well? I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not. Don't really want to get any little pieces of that tape into your oil, but it might help seal the threads. |
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| Canoman |
I suppose it could be creating a gap, as you say. After tightening it this morning, it did leak a little through the day. Not as much as the first time I noticed the leak, though, so that's good at least. It's about as tight as I can get it.
I do still have some clean, quart-sized oil bottles that I can drain into without losing all the oil. Thank goodness. Mobil-1 isn't cheap. |
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