| njjoe |
9/11 USA inside job?
Inside job? Sure it was. And the Apollo moon landing was faked, Barry Bonds never took steroids, the levees in New Orleans were purposely destroyed, and Bill Clinton never had sex with Monica Lewinsky. :p
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| Kris |
As many of you know I do travel and meet various people……It is sad but many of them think it was an inside job…..there is no way of convincing them otherwise…..
I just wish they witnessed people falling from 50th floor, they witnessed the falling towers…..they met families who lost their love ones…..
As much as I hate wasting time for fighting such nonsense we ALL HAVE TO DO IT! Otherwise the gossips, the nonsense, the bloody straight lie will become the TRUTH! So let’s all get together and fight it!!!!! |
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| mgthe3 |
And.....
That is a very old conspiracy theory.
If you want to die laughing at more :bsflag: go
HERE.
A few of us at work crack up at this crap.
Yes, the USA is very powerful and very advanced in research; for that we will suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
I like the one where the CIA supposedly created AIDS; that really cracks me up. |
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| Sharlin |
please tell me you drive something other than a Murano.
Or in your case is it called a Morono? |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Sharlin
please tell me you drive something other than a Murano.
Or in your case is it called a Morono?
Sharlin-
:14: That's not nice.
On this forum it is OK to challenge, disagree and even attack someone's statements, but it is not acceptable to throw around names and flame the person directly.
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| enamurao |
you know probably it wasn't probably it was,I dont know,but one thing I can say bush have not give evidences to you or me or anyone that 9/11 was something USA wasn't unawared of.
is like the San Francisco mayor Willie Brown who have a call not to fly that day.
isn't weird?is too much coincidence he have that call,check it out.
here is the link of SFpaper link:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/artic...y&sn=016&sc=221
it will be something too sad knowing USA government is our first enemy.
thats why must of us are way too far from believing was an inside job.
why owner of WTC sign up a 99 year lease with a $3.5 billion insurance stating terrorist attacks just days before of 9/'11?
why united and american airlines stocks sky rocket 10 and 11 times higher than an avergage day on 9/10?
they never found nothing about flight 93, where is it?
I mean is who ever bring you evidences,why live life blind folded? |
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| enamurao |
| sharlin lol thank you ,lets go ride your morono!!!!!!! |
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| Eric L. |
Conspiracy theories crop up when people read too much into a topic, and is further perpetuated by the outrageous (but entertaining) stories we see on TV and hte movies.
Believe it or not, coincidences do happen, and not everything is some planned out government plot.
To reduce the tragic deaths of 9/11 victims to a ridiculous political ploy - thats extremely disrespectful towards both the people who died and the heros who rescued the survivors. |
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| Halo |
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Originally posted by mgthe3
Yes, the USA is very powerful and very advanced in research; for that we will suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.
Instinct tells me that someone who believes in far out conspiracy theories may not be swayed by quotes from Hamlet (appropriate though it might be) :)
Come to think of it, maybe 9/11 WAS a conspiracy. Maybe post WWII US foreign policy, the cold war... all of it was one big conspiracy the end result of which is the hatred of the US by certain foreign groups. But, why stop there, maybe the conspiracy goes back even farther... to the rift between Judaism, Christianity and Islam, maybe the CIA had it planned all along! :2: |
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| Gonzo |
| They have been numerous government conspiracies... 9/11 is NOT one of them. |
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| mdave2 |
There's really no such thing called a 9/11 conspiracy. All so-called “9/11 conspiracies” are a conspiracy by the US Government to make us believe that there are conspiracies to make fake conspiracies seem like real conspiracies (or is it the other way around?) just to confuse the American people :13:
But….is it possible that the whole argument above is a conspiracy to cover up the fact that there is NO conspiracy regarding the conspiracy about the conspiracy???? Hmmmm……….…
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| Nomad33fw |
| Hmm and I guess the video of Bin Jerkoff with the 911 hijackers berfore the incident was faked too? Some people just have no clue |
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| njjoe |
That is what makes the good old US of A a great place to live. Not only can we craft conspiracy theories, we can produce videos of them, and discuss them openly in public forums without fear of repercussion. Try that in some other countries in the world and you'll find yourself locked-up or worse.
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| Sharlin |
A lady at work actually suggested that plate (she is foreign born)
I figure it might be a good choice after seeing that OMG WTF is already taken here in Georgia. |
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| zebelkhan |
quote:
Originally posted by Sharlin
A lady at work actually suggested that plate (she is foreign born)
I personally don't believe in the conspiracy theory for 9/11 but after hearing this comment from Sharlin I feel like I just have to say something here. There is nothing wrong with being Foreign Born. "Foreign Born" could very well mean, and it usually does, that you are or have been exposed to more than just the US culture, have experienced other forms of govenment, people, and things in the world. It could mean that you know a bit more about the foreign policies of certain countries than just what they tell you because you have probably experienced their impact on the receiving end. Foreign Born could also mean because of your exposure to things outside of US you are open to possibilities because you have seen them happen, and finally Foreign Born could mean that you take whatever they tell you with a grain of salt because you know better.... |
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| hfelknor |
If this thread isn't "Off Topic", than what the hell is?
Quit trashing up the general discussion area and get back to talking cars......something that some of you have some idea of what the heck you are talking about.
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| TexInFla |
Thank you, Homer, for reminding us that you're the only one on this forum who's allowed to express an opinion. I keep forgetting.... :rolleyes:
But I do agree that this thread should be moved to the Off Topic section. |
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| Eric L. |
| Zing! Moved to Off-Topic.... |
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| hfelknor |
Good. And thank you.
I suppose Tex took his usual gratuitous shot.
Of course if I were to reply in kind, I suppose I would get penalized?
(I have no idea as to what he said, since I put him on ignore a long time ago.....something he should do if I annoy him half as much as he annoys me.)
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| GripperDon |
| the inside job. Seems like their videos all claim they are the murderers that planned 9/11 |
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| enamurao |
| you know like I said,probably was an inside job probably not but in that video are some great points who got me thinking and I'm pretty sure most of people who watch it has being thinking about it,all the stuff that guy put up on there are news clips and and real facts. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by enamurao
you know like I said,probably was an inside job probably not but in that video are some great points who got me thinking and I'm pretty sure most of people who watch it has being thinking about it,all the stuff that guy put up on there are news clips and and real facts.
It is also possible to take real facts and present them in a mixed up way to convey a false message. Facts don't always speak for themselves, context matters. |
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| GripperDon |
| There is just no way to .............. some folks. :rolleyes: |
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| enamurao |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
It is also possible to take real facts and present them in a mixed up way to convey a false message. Facts don't always speak for themselves, context matters.
thats possible too,
but
there is few things that happen at 9/11 that I have never though about it like flight 93 cell calls from passengers on a flight,I have always tried to see how far the signal reach once flight takes off and maybe a minute after taking off or b4 landing if not less there is no signal,then how the place cell phone calls from the lets roll guys?
also blackboxes where are they?
also where are the remains of flight 93(tail,engines etc etc)
they never found nothing but ashes. |
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| Kocioblue MO |
hmmm, I thought I was going to stay quiet in this discussion but I had to mention something regarding speculation that flight 93 was faked. Id like to mention that some of the calls from flight 93 were made over United's inflight phones which can be used after swiping a credit card. As for cell phones working...As soon as the terrorist took control of the aircraft, he had disrupted the main auto pilot system by moving the yoke, which, on the 757 results in a persistant (and quite annoying) alarm. We know the alarm was ringing because of the black box recording. In order to silence the alarm, the terrorist was disconnecting the auto pilot through the control panel on the "dashboard" of the plane ...but he still needed the general auto pilot to find his target (washington) What the inexperienced pilot didnt realize is that there is an autopilot disconnect button on the yoke which would of silenced the alarm (this button tells the computer that the pilot realizes the auto pilot is disconnected)
So in his confusion between finding Washington, and keeping the alarm quiet, the terrorist was constantly descending (It's hard to keep a plane level when doing other things.) The plane had now descended to such an altitude where pressurization was not needed and cell phones get reception, and it actually flew at this altitude for quite some time, therefore, you have all those cell phone calls from flight 93. As a matter of fact I find many cell phones do get good reception even at cruising altitude, but they can interfere with the flight systems, specically the radio and communications. I have seen and heard of situations where the pilot has to make an specifc announcement as to turn off the cell phones during flight, or personally enter the cabin and make sure the phone has been switched off, because over their radios, all they can hear is the passengers conversation and not vital air traffic control information!
As for the wreckage, typically when a plane crashes, the pilot, even when control is lost, tries to advert total disaster and crash the plane in a manner that is least harmful ( we know that this is often not the case :( ) In this case, once the terrorist flying knew the plane was being taken over by the passengers again, he purposly dived the plane into the ground. A plane that dives into the ground at a speed of 500mph plus is not going to leave much, except for burnt ground and ash. |
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| wchandler |
| I thought people who bought Muranos were more logical...guess not. |
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| njjoe |
Kocioblue MO-
Excellent information.
You have provided sufficient information to debunk the conspiracy theories surrounding flight 93. However, many people will ignore the facts and substitute their own reality. (That sounds like something from Myth Busters.)
-njjoe |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Kocioblue MO-
Excellent information.
You have provided sufficient information to debunk the conspiracy theories surrounding flight 93. However, many people will ignore the facts and substitute their own reality. (That sounds like something from Myth Busters.)
-njjoe
Hey now, Mythbusters is awesome! |
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| enamurao |
planes even nose diving at 500mph do not desintegrate like they say un93 did there is no way tail or pieces of wings weren't there especially if they were flying at low enough altitude to make cell phone calls.
(low altitude less impact)
where are block boxes at wtc are?workers found 3 out of 4,what FBI did with them?
also how an unexperienced pilots could have found pentagon being at 32,000 and decending to ground level to find target with such presicion?
I mean there are too many things that need explanations in this whole 9/11 thing but government just paint it like terrorists so people do not dig more in it.
for everything explanations USA gov could come up with its goin to make it sound like it was a coincidence things happens the way they did,
there lots of people who have questions and want to know things like where was the military system when you need them?fighter jets where were they? things like that but there is no clear explanations about USA military response in an emergency like that.
open up your eyes america. |
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| Sharlin |
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Originally posted by zebelkhan
I personally don't believe in the conspiracy theory for 9/11 but after hearing this comment from Sharlin I feel like I just have to say something here. There is nothing wrong with being Foreign Born. "Foreign Born" could very well mean, and it usually does, that you are or have been exposed to more than just the US culture, have experienced other forms of govenment, people, and things in the world.
She is phillipino. She likes the distinction. She is are little "ornamental" :)
I have had the experience of exchange students when growing up. Working in diverse environments. My sister's in-laws are Australian and they are anything but "US PC".
All and all its all fun ..... |
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| Sharlin |
quote:
Originally posted by enamurao
planes even nose diving at 500mph do not desintegrate like they say un93 did there is no way tail or pieces of wings weren't there especially if they were flying at low enough altitude to make cell phone calls.
(low altitude less impact)
where are block boxes at wtc are?workers found 3 out of 4,what FBI did with them?
also how an unexperienced pilots could have found pentagon being at 32,000 and decending to ground level to find target with such presicion?
I mean there are too many things that need explanations in this whole 9/11 thing but government just paint it like terrorists so people do not dig more in it.
for everything explanations USA gov could come up with its goin to make it sound like it was a coincidence things happens the way they did,
there lots of people who have questions and want to know things like where was the military system when you need them?fighter jets where were they? things like that but there is no clear explanations about USA military response in an emergency like that.
open up your eyes america.
OK. Your officially loopy in my book.
1. Cell phones do work in flight. The problem is they cause havoc at ground stations as too many are qualified to handle the call.
2. Impacts into the Earth are very very destructive to aircraft. Far less remains than if they impact a hard surface. Of course not many people have seen tests and therefor ASSUME that hitting dirt somehow leaves remains. There were chunks of 93.
Remember, the mass of the aircraft is mostly fuel. The airframe isn't designed for impact survival. It will disitengrate, compact, whatever on impact. ALTITUDE has no bearing on what the impact will be like. that much mass moving at any speed is great.
Oh, finding the pentagon? You can program in its coordinates in flight. Plus these guys would have trained quite heavily in identifying landmarks in Washington DC.
Sorry, your items are easily dismissed as childish and uninformed. |
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| TexInFla |
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Originally posted by wchandler
I thought people who bought Muranos were more logical...guess not.
And I thought people who bought Muranos were kind, friendly, accepting, and tolerant of those who are different from themselves...guess not, based on your personal attack and Sharlin's continued inability to conduct himself with respect for others. I've said it before, and I'll say it again....if people cannot discuss controversial subjects without resorting to personal attacks, then those discussions have no business on a car enthusiasts' forum. |
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| enamurao |
quote:
Originally posted by Sharlin
OK. Your officially loopy in my book.
1. Cell phones do work in flight. The problem is they cause havoc at ground stations as too many are qualified to handle the call.
2. Impacts into the Earth are very very destructive to aircraft. Far less remains than if they impact a hard surface. Of course not many people have seen tests and therefor ASSUME that hitting dirt somehow leaves remains. There were chunks of 93.
Remember, the mass of the aircraft is mostly fuel. The airframe isn't designed for impact survival. It will disitengrate, compact, whatever on impact. ALTITUDE has no bearing on what the impact will be like. that much mass moving at any speed is great.
Oh, finding the pentagon? You can program in its coordinates in flight. Plus these guys would have trained quite heavily in identifying landmarks in Washington DC.
Sorry, your items are easily dismissed as childish and uninformed.
cell phones dont work inflight period,you can identify landmark but hit straight on is whole different story not even professional pilots wouldn't have being able to do what they did without towercontrol help,how many pilots landing have missed the runway ?bunch of times!!!
mass of aircraft mostly fuel?fuel wouldn't desintegrate a plane,most of fuel burns off on impact metal engines and metal parts wouldn't melt with jet fuel just like that, have to be burning for long time for that to happen.
and engines is almost impossible to melt such heavy mass of metal and titanium like 757 engines are.
sharlin lol you so funny with your nonsense analysis!!!!!cracking me up, by the way hows your morono? |
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| Eric L. |
MOD: Ok people, no matter what you think or what you believe, don't resort to personal insults. That include comments like calling people "loopy," or "moron"o.
Again, it doesn't matter if what you believe is factually RIGHT or WRONG, we are supposed to keep it friendly here. |
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| Kris |
| I am all for freedom of speech. But it is a car forum. If this issue cannot be conducted in a civilized way we may have to lock the thread.. |
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| mgthe3 |
It is absurd.
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