| gadgetfreak |
Let's look at a scenario. You are driving around doing errands and you get to the grocery store. You exit the MO leaving the ignition on and locking the doors either with the key fob or the button inside or outside the MO. A burgler approaches the car and jimmies the door open. The ignition is still on and you are in the store with your smart key. I think I just realized that the guy could drive away even though the smart key is far away. Once he shuts the car, he won't be able to start it again, but he can drive the car away from the parking lot. Can someone PLEASE tell me that this is not true or at least give me a reason why this is not as bad as it sounds?
On a related note, take the burgler out of the scenario. How long would the car stay on? Will it ever shut off by itself if I am in the grocery store for more than X minutes?
Thanks, in advance, for your help. |
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| manitoba murano |
I assume there is a fuel shut-off when the key is out of range, but haven't tested this theory. I would also assume that the car shuts off once put into gear, but again, haven't tested this.
I would suggest not leaving the car running, but that's obviously not what you want to hear. |
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| TheGymKid |
YES, he can steal your car. And this is why I know it.
One morning, I auto started my car from the house before work. I unlocked the car from the remote after, so I can put the key down and go to the car with bags in my hands.
I got in the murano that was running and then drove away... to work, an hour... and when I got there and shut the Murano off... I realized I didn't have the keys !!!
I had my wife drive the key to me during the day.
So I know you can drive off without a key in my situation. :( |
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| gadgetfreak |
| Excatly. I tested it and my friend was able to put the car in reverse and in drive and drive away. I thought there would be some sort of security because a feature allowing the car to stay on is really good. On my previous explorer, I was able to use the remote starter while the car was on and remove the key. In that case, since the ignition was in lock, the transmission couldn't be moved and if someone pressed on the brake, the car would shut off. I liked that feature alot. Any options? |
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| manitoba murano |
I'd give it a whirl in mine, whcih does not have a remote starter, but I don't want to have to run back to my abode to get the key assuming it does shut off.
I would hope that this is just a fubar related to the remote starter. If not, oh well--don't leave your car running. Would you leave it running if you had to use a key to start it? |
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| gadgetfreak |
| You are right. There would never be a feature like that on a regular car. I guess I was hoping that the smart key would give that added functionality. Or, at least with my dealer-installed remote start, I would get the same functionality. I will discuss with the dealer when I see him today. |
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| 06murano |
| I would like to comment on this. I think this feature for driving the murano when the key is out of range is done on purpose. imagine that you're on a busy highway driving 70mph (or more), and your fob key just happen to run out of battery at that time (hence no more signal to the car), what do you expect the car to do then? shut off? or keep on driving until you get home? I know you can always get the mechanical key out of the fob, but think of the lawsuites that nissan would have if there was a car pile up on the freeway because the mo just shut off!!! |
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| gadgetfreak |
| An answer to that would be that once it was put in park, it could not go out of park without the mechanical key or the keyfob with a battery. In essense, that is the situation I was referring to. If you leave the car running, it will be in park. There should be no issue with an accident while driving that the car would shut off. But, your response and contribution to this thread is appreciated. I do like the ongoing conversation. Thanks. |
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| 06murano |
| i see your point. yes it would be a lot better if nissan offered that. i wonder if it is the same with inifiniti fx? |
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| sobamanismo |
Can I ask a dumb question?
Why would you go into Wal-mart w/ your car running in the first place?
If you DIDN'T have the Intellikey but did the same could a thief not still run off w/ your car because you left your key in it running? Seems the obvious part of this equation is don't leave the car running while you aren't in it?! |
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| gadgetfreak |
In my old truck with an aftermarket remote starter, there was a feature that allowed me to activate the remote starter while the car was on and then turn the ignition switch to off, take the key out and lock the car while the car was still running. In that case, the remote starters security took over and the car would shut down as soon as the break pedal was tapped (of course you couldn't move out of park). Some scenarios where it was beneficial:
1) It is supposedly better for the car not to continuously turn it on and off every few minutes (esp for gas mileage).
2) You run into a store for a few minutes and leave your dog in the car (but too hot to leave the window open).
3) It is very cold/hot. You are embarking on a few errands and the first one is only a minute away. While you run into store 1, you leave the car on to continue heating/cooling. By the time you are out of the first store, the temp is just right.
4) You pull into the driveway of a friend for a second and leave your 6 year old in the car while you walk 10 feet away (to pick up another kid/package, talk, whatever). You are in a safe driveway so no comments about leaving a kid in the car but it would be nicer if you didn't leave the kid in a car where he could cause trouble. Yet you want air/heat on.
5) You go to by milk in the summer and need to make another stop before you go home. Leave the air on while you are in the other place.
The list can go on and on, but you get the idea. Very convenient feature. The smartkey makes us almost half way there without a remote starter (you can lock the car with it running) but you don't have the security features and it won't shut down automatically after X minutes. |
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| sobamanismo |
| alright, I'll concede that it could be a useful feature but might add that after you figure out the security measures you might want to make a big sign to put in your seat indicating to the window-smasher that the car will stop running if they touch it :D |
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| gadgetfreak |
| LOL. It has been my experience that the car thieves have kept up with technology. When they see a running car with locked doors, they must realize it is some sort of remote starter system and it will shut down when they touch the brake. However, they may be happy to know that they can at least stay cool in the air-conditioning while they steal the radio, screen, nav, etc. :D |
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| manitoba murano |
quote:
Originally posted by gadgetfreak
1) It is supposedly better for the car not to continuously turn it on and off every few minutes (esp for gas mileage).
Leaving a car running will absolutely not, in any circumstance, help you get better gas mileage.
I think you are trying to use the I-key for a purpose for which it was not intended. They purpose of the key is to allow you to enter the car, and start the car, without having to dig through your pockets for the key. It is intended to provide the convenience of setting the seats and mirrors to the position that the individual driver prefers.
I believe that leaving your car running unattended is illegal in many jurisdictions, and would certainly piss off your insurance company (if not completely void your coverage for theft) if your ride gets jacked. Some remote starters get around this by having shut-offs when car is put in gear/brake is pressed, but clearly yours doesn't function correctly.
Your car would take about one minute to sufficiently warm up the motor (or less in your moderate climate) and about a minute to cool down the interior.
There is more than enough lubrication in the engine, particularly an engine that is so well designed, to prevent any noticeable adverse effects from turning the motor on and off-. In fact, any long term costs would almost certainly be offset by the savings at the pump from eliminating all the idling.
IMO, there is nothing wrong with the way the intelligent key functions wrt your circumstances.
The only issue I have seen that is a problem is with the poster who drove to work without the key, and had to have his wife deliver the key so he could get home. IIRC, wasn't that poster also using a remote starter? If so, then clearly the intelligent key system is not to be faulted. |
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| gadgetfreak |
| I agree that the intelligent key is operating correctly. In fact, my new remote starter is actually operating properly in that regard too (I can activate the remote starter while the car is running and then turn the ignition to off and all the security features of the remote start apply). My original question was whether the intelligent key, which is so close to giving me those features on its own, would work without the need for a remote start. Clearly it does not. However, it still would have been a good idea to not allow the car to go out of park without the intelligent key in the car or a mechanical key in the ignition. I think that is an oversight by Nissan. There is no reason why the car should be allowed to drive in that situation (assuming it is in park already - not when it is in drive). And again, if the battery dies and you don't realize that until you park for gas or something, you still have the mechanical key. Just my opinion. |
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| TheGymKid |
quote:
Originally posted by gadgetfreak
I agree that the intelligent key is operating correctly. In fact, my new remote starter is actually operating properly in that regard too (I can activate the remote starter while the car is running and then turn the ignition to off and all the security features of the remote start apply). My original question was whether the intelligent key, which is so close to giving me those features on its own, would work without the need for a remote start. Clearly it does not. However, it still would have been a good idea to not allow the car to go out of park without the intelligent key in the car or a mechanical key in the ignition. I think that is an oversight by Nissan. There is no reason why the car should be allowed to drive in that situation (assuming it is in park already - not when it is in drive). And again, if the battery dies and you don't realize that until you park for gas or something, you still have the mechanical key. Just my opinion.
Actually, the Murano intel key is not suppose to be used with remote start. for the first year I had my Mo, no car place would install the autostart due to it not working correctly. After a year, they finally got it to work with a rely installed... so they did it but warned me ahead of time that it would run after it's started.
Nissan didn't over look it... I don't think Nissan makes an autostart brand. If you are putting a python brand in... they are over looking it.
The Murano Intel key was not built to be used with an autostart... if you want to have it... it's going to have to be with issues. sorry bro |
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| gadgetfreak |
I think we are getting confused here. The original question was whether the intel key would leave the car on like a remote start with the security. Answer: NO. You can lock the car but someone who gets it can shift out of park and move it. Doesn't make sense to me that Nissan would allow that, but so be it.
There are different issues with a remote start. I bought one through the dealer who simply took it to an alarm place down the block. I paid $600 through the dealer so that I wouldn't void my warranty (the alarm place probably charges only $300). In any case, it is back at the alarm place now. Here is where we stand. I can start the car by pressing unlock 3 times on the intel key and stop it the same way. Two issues though:
1) When I start it by pressing unlock 3 times, the car is unlocked and running (though security features such as brake shutoff are enabled). I can press lock on the keyfob (would be my 4th button press) to lock the car but nothing flashes or beeps to tell me it is locked.
2) If I remote start when it is dark and the auto lights go on, if I remotely shut it down or let it shut down on its own after 25 minutes, the lights will NEVER go off. Aparantly, you need to open and close the door for the countdown for auto light to go off to begin.
Alarm shop is working on the issues now. I hope the figure something out. For $600, losing auto headlight functionality is not worth it. |
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| manitoba murano |
It would have been nice for some. IMO though, adding that function would encourage people to leave their cars running unattended, breaking laws (in some jurisdictions) wasting gas, polluting unnecessarily, encouraging thieves to attempt to steal vehicles/possessions/vandalizing, etc., etc. I imagine Nissan also thought this through and decided against it.
To each his own though, perhaps Nissan should have added a properly functioning remote start option to the I-key, an option that could be disabled by those of us who prefer not to have it. |
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| gadgetfreak |
All good points. I still can't see how they allowed the car to be driveable without the smart key in the car. To take your position, I would argue that they should have made the car shut down when the smart key left the vehicle. But, it is what it is.
Anyway, I just got my car back from the shop and the remote starter is working better. Press unlock:
Once - Driver's door unlocks
Twice - All doors unlock
Third Time - Car Starts
Press lock - all doors lock and parking lights flash
Press unlock three times again to shut it down. They told me they fixed the autoheadlight problem too. I haven't tested it yet. |
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| TheGymKid |
quote:
Originally posted by gadgetfreak
All good points. I still can't see how they allowed the car to be driveable without the smart key in the car. To take your position, I would argue that they should have made the car shut down when the smart key left the vehicle. But, it is what it is.
Hey Gadg..... this is what I answering when you! But then you said ...
quote:
Originally posted by gadgetfreak
I think we are getting confused here. The original question was whether the intel key would leave the car on like a remote start with the security.
Anyway... Again, my answer is... "Actually, the Murano intel key is not suppose to be used with remote start." Nissan doesn't have a remote start... like you said they took it down the street to a shop to install it... which by the way, the shop that did mine, said that Nissan where I bought my car comes to them. (I paid $ 250.00 :( , sorry.. but hopefully it wont hurt my warrenty, never know). |
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| davidmw78 |
I agree that it would make sense for the Intelligent Key absence to trigger a park lock without the mechanical key. I assumed my MO had that function. I tested it about an hour ago before even seeing this thread. I can't believe it. What are the three beeps for??? It just makes no sense. If they had the Park Locking feature you couldn't forget to take your keys with you.
This seems like an easy MOD.
Now, does anyone have wiring diagrams for the intelligent key computer? |
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| gadgetfreak |
Hey David. Thanks for joining the thread. The 3 beeps seem to be just a reminder that you are walking away with the smart key but as you just realized (and I did too recently), there is no security of a park-lock when taking the key with you.
As I see it, Nissan went halfway on this and they should have either done all or none. Either allow the car to stay on but with added security features or have it shut down as soon as the fob is removed from the vehicle assuming the car is in park.
But I would also like to know how easy it would be to have this changed. |
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| Pinspector |
| You just spent $25+ thousand for a really great car. Now, you leave it in a parking lot with the engne running and the keys in the ignition. I'm sorry, but are you stupid? I've seen it a lot, with and without children in the car. Why in the world would someone do that??! Shut the car off, take your keys and go shopping. Chances are the car will be there when you get back. |
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| gadgetfreak |
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Originally posted by Pinspector
You just spent $25+ thousand for a really great car. Now, you leave it in a parking lot with the engne running and the keys in the ignition. I'm sorry, but are you stupid? I've seen it a lot, with and without children in the car. Why in the world would someone do that??! Shut the car off, take your keys and go shopping. Chances are the car will be there when you get back.
I only started reading this thread because I got an e-mail notification. Since it took so long to re-read everything again, I guess I will take the time to address your post. I think, though, that you should read the thread again carefully. We are talking about the car starting with the smartkey in the car, and then the smart key leaving the car (i.e. taking the "key" with you"). Car stays on and remains driveable (park, reverse, drive, etc.) until the ignition is turned off. There should be a security feature that if the car goes into park and the smart key is not in the vehicle, either the park lock should be engaged or the car should shut down.
No one is talking about leaving a car running with the keys in it - unless I am misreading your post. |
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| sobamanismo |
quote:
Originally posted by gadgetfreak
No one is talking about leaving a car running with the keys in it - unless I am misreading your post.
I think it could be said since we (with intelligent keys) don't have to use the mechanical key to start and keep the car running that in essence by walking away with the car running and no existing parking lock feature you are "leaving the car running (and ready to walk away) with the keys in it. |
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| gadgetfreak |
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Originally posted by sobamanismo
I think it could be said since we (with intelligent keys) don't have to use the mechanical key to start and keep the car running that in essence by walking away with the car running and no existing parking lock feature you are "leaving the car running (and ready to walk away) with the keys in it.
THAT I agree with. But that was the whole point of the post. Although we are removing the smartkey, the car can still run which IS the same as leaving the keys in the car running.
I just thought it would make sense to have an additional safety feature to prevent that. Oh well, maybe in a future addition. |
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