| Mister Mo Fo |
So, I was scratching my head, trying to come up with a way to make my DRL work, using the factory setup as much as possible. I came up with this:
Here is a listed of items needed.
4 - pieces of 12-14 gauge wire (about 4-6 inches in length)
4 - pieces of 16 gauges wire (about 4-6 inches in length)
4 - 1/4" 12-14 gauge male connectors
4 - 1/4" 12-14 gauge female connectors
4 - 3/16" 16 gauge female connectors
2 - 3/16" 16 gauge male connectors
1 - 12" piece of shrink tube with glue inside (works as a sealant)
Step 1
Remove the fuse panel from under the hood.
Step 2
Remove the "Fog Light" relay & "Ignition" relay.
Step 3
Create new wiring harness.
A few close ups
Step 4
Re-Install fuse panel
Step 5
Test DRL by turning key to the "ignition" position.
All I did to make this work was steal the "trigger" from the Ignition relay, splice it, and send it over to power the Fog Light relay. It's very simple to do. The hardest part was getting the fuse panel in and out. Maybe someone with a little better knowledge will be able to explain this better. I don't know all of the proper "electrical lingo"!! The end result is fog lights that power up as soon as you turn the key to the "ignition" setting. This may not be good for everyone, as it eliminates the use of the switch to turn the fogs off & on. They are now Always on, even when you engage the Hi Beams. For me, this is fine!
Final product
If you are not familiar with the electrical system of your Murano, and do not have the mechanical aptitude to complete this, please do not try it without assistance! I take no responsibility if you burn your Murano to the ground!! :-) |
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| Kris |
Great job! :)
I can see many members asking for schematic... |
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| ekaxel |
| I like mine better, which turns the fogs off when the headights are on. The switch still works, and it still costs less than $15, even if you use all new parts. |
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| hfelknor |
Mo Fo, didn't your Murano come with DRLs?
You are a canuck, right?
Homer |
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| Gonzo |
| Is there a simple solution to keep 'em on when high beams are on with other behaviors untouched? |
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| Mister Mo Fo |
quote:
Originally posted by hfelknor
Mo Fo, didn't your Murano come with DRLs?
You are a canuck, right?
Yes Homer, I am a Canuck! I bought my Murano in the US though. In order for it to pass the Federal inspection, DRL must be installed. I was trying to get it working before the inspection because once you've had it inspected, they expect you to go to Nissan, get them installed, and provide receipts, with part numbers used to complete the install listed. This could be pricey...and I like my $4 solution much better!
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo
Is there a simple solution to keep 'em on when high beams are on with other behaviors untouched?
I don't understand your question Gonzo? |
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| njjoe |
Mister Mo Fo-
:claphead: Way to go!
Cheap, simple and effective. Nice job.
-njjoe |
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| zebelkhan |
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Originally posted by njjoe
Cheap, simple and effective
And clean......:18: |
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| Eric L. |
| Great writeup! I vote for making this a sticky. Anyone else agree? |
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| CVeeT |
MO FO:
Why do we need to remove the panel if all we need to do is plug in your engineered harness.
as you described in step 1.
Step 1
Remove the fuse panel from under the hood
And will you please post a schematic or wiring diagram, thanks a lot for detailed steps. |
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| dalascby |
quote:
Originally posted by Mister Mo Fo
Yes Homer, I am a Canuck! I bought my Murano in the US though. In order for it to pass the Federal inspection, DRL must be installed. I was trying to get it working before the inspection because once you've had it inspected, they expect you to go to Nissan, get them installed, and provide receipts, with part numbers used to complete the install listed. This could be pricey...and I like my $4 solution much better!
I don't understand your question Gonzo?
I think Gonzo is talking about the fogs...how to keep them on even when the high beams are on. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
And clean......:18:
...and clearly-explained. :18: :D
-njjoe |
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| Gonzo |
quote:
Originally posted by dalascby
I think Gonzo is talking about the fogs...how to keep them on even when the high beams are on.
Yes I was. That is the only mod I would like, the reset of the behavior the same. I guess tapping into the parking lights and use that to trip them wouldn't be too bad as I could have them on with only parking lights.
I wish we could just reprogram the computer to do this.
One thing I might suggest to your solution would be to put something over those unused connections... perhaps vasoline to keep the moisture out. |
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| Mister Mo Fo |
quote:
Originally posted by CVeeT
MO FO:
Why do we need to remove the panel if all we need to do is plug in your engineered harness.
Step 1
Remove the fuse panel from under the hood
And will you please post a schematic or wiring diagram, thanks a lot for detailed steps.
Well, there may not be a need to pull the panel out. These were the steps I did. Access is somewhat limited due to the small space, so I just pulled it out. I pulled the Radiator Reservoir (2 -10mm bolts clearly visible), then removed the plastic shield (you'll need a long flat screw driver to get the two plastic clips on either side) that was covering the wire harness (that goes to the fuse panel). This plastic shield is part of the casing that protects the fuse panel.
Pulling the panel was easy, just unplug all of the connectors, and there is a clip at the front and rear of the panel. It slides out.
Gonzo: That is a good suggestion. I was thinking about putting some grease in the unused plugs. I decided not to. Upon inspecting the panel after it was all put back together. It looked like it would be water tight, so I didn't bother.
Maybe I'll go and take a few more picture of the fuse panel removal. Then edit my original post! |
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| risaralda |
| any schematic...? |
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| Sih |
Ah, good job. We're in the same boat as far as needing to do the DRL on a USA Murano to pass inspection. Looks like you beat me though, mine cost $5.98. [The cost of the relays/pigtails from the junkyard. I cheated and had the wires, fuses, bracket, and connectors already.] ;)
I basically used zebelkhan's install from the other thread except tapping the headlight instead of the parking light as these are the conditions needed to pass inspection. I'll post a couple additional pictures to go along with the ones in zebelkhan's gallery.
My install is slightly closer to how a stock Canadian system works (I think the only functional difference is the parking brake turning them on/off), but yours looks good too. Now people will have better options. The dealer btw wanted $250-$350 to do this modification.
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| Corin |
I have a cheaper one:
Electrician tape over the light sensor.
Can't beat that for price and ease of installation! And if you cut it just right it can lay over the sensor perfectly so you never even notice it. |
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| Sih |
quote:
Originally posted by Corin
I have a cheaper one:
Electrician tape over the light sensor.
Can't beat that for price and ease of installation! And if you cut it just right it can lay over the sensor perfectly so you never even notice it.
:rolleyes:
Since we're Canadians talking about passing the required inspection, that really does us no good. The DRL's must come on with the key in the ignition and the headlight stalk switched to off and also when switched to parking lights.
Have you had your inspection done yet Mister Mo Fo? If so, how did it go? I'm hoping to have mine done by Monday at the latest. I have all the paperwork, I just need to find the time. |
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| bdubs9 |
| makes one wonder why nissan doesn't make this standard since it can be done for $4 by someone with the proper training or know how. |
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| ekaxel |
Wouldn'r even cost Nissan $4. It is all software in the Canadian OEM
implementation. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by bdubs9
makes one wonder why nissan doesn't make this standard since it can be done for $4 by someone with the proper training or know how.
Because this is not how true DRLs operate. Factory DRLs are set-up so the lights are connected in series. That way the lights operate at 1/2 the brightness and last approximately twice as long when running in DRL mode.
-njjoe |
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| Sih |
quote:
Originally posted by ekaxel
Wouldn'r even cost Nissan $4. It is all software in the Canadian OEM
implementation.
Sure about that? It's not what I was told by the dealer, and hence the $250-$350 estimate. |
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| ekaxel |
"Because this is not how true DRLs operate. Factory DRLs are set-up so the lights are connected in series. That way the lights operate at 1/2 the brightness and last approximately twice as long when running in DRL mode."
Only on some US cars - because it's the cheapest way to do it! Minimum to mett the law. IMHO - a DRL should be brighter than a normal light, because it has to be easily seen in daylight to make it effective. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Because this is not how true DRLs operate. Factory DRLs are set-up so the lights are connected in series. That way the lights operate at 1/2 the brightness and last approximately twice as long when running in DRL mode.
-njjoe
Joe,
they last 2square, i.e. 4x longer... |
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| fireball |
| I was surprised that daytime running lights are now mandatory over here (at least for new cars). So Nissan had mine setup for free. |
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| hfelknor |
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Originally posted by fireball
I was surprised that daytime running lights are now mandatory over here (at least for new cars). So Nissan had mine setup for free.
Hmmnn. Surprises me.
I thought Guam was ruled by the California Motor vehicle laws, and to my knowledge, CA doesn't require them. Yet. Although they have followed a long term Florida rule and passed a law (In CA, don't know about Guam) that says if your wipers are on, your headlights need to be on.
I personally think DRLs are a GOOD thing. But it's just an opinion and I don't care to get into a urinary competition over it.
Homer |
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| Stoker |
The laws for DRL in Canada are fairly standard from coast to coast and they range from 50% headlight power to normal low beam power. My 1997 Jetta has low beam headlights on all the time and of course Mo the foglights are on full time until you turn on the headlights then you have the option to turn on the fogs in conjunction.
It has been the law up here for over 20years and we did find a drop in car accidents as people could see cars coming from a distance. Maybe it will be the same in all of NA in the future so it will come as a standard feature in all cars. |
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| Eric L. |
| I have always been in favor of DRLs too. I actually see no downside to them, except maybe for cars with electroluminiscent backlit guages - the driver might not realize when it gets dark that the full headlights are not actually on, but its actually the DRLs. But most of those cars have auto lights anyways. |
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| njjoe |
I believe it is only a matter of time before DRLs become mandatory in the US. They can't hurt and can only help save lives.
-njjoe |
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| Sih |
I had my inspection today and passed just fine. In and out in about 5 minutes. I used zebelkhan's install just slightly changed from tapping parking light to tapping the headlight, as I mentioned earlier.
Thanks for the guidance from everyone who has contributed on these forums. :29: |
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| onufry |
hi,
I've imported MO (Canadian version) to Switzerland and i need to disconnect running lights. Any idea how?
cheers |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by onufry
hi,
I've imported MO (Canadian version) to Switzerland and i need to disconnect running lights. Any idea how?
cheers
That's a first. Does Switzerland prohibit the use of DTRLs?
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| Mister Mo Fo |
Not sure on this, but on all of my Canadian Spec vehicles 'til now, I've just pulled the fuse to disconnect the DTRL's.
quote:
Originally posted by onufry
hi,
I've imported MO (Canadian version) to Switzerland and i need to disconnect running lights. Any idea how?
cheers
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| fastNugly |
quote:
Originally posted by Mister Mo Fo
Not sure on this, but on all of my Canadian Spec vehicles 'til now, I've just pulled the fuse to disconnect the DTRL's.
This is how I have done it as well. |
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| Jim C |
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They can't hurt and can only help save lives.
Actually NJJoe, there is one glaring :D downside to DRL's. For years, in the United States, motorcycles were the only ones to have headlamps burning during daylight hours. Made bikes much more conspicuous. With more and more OEM's installing DRL's in U.S. spec cars, motorcycles are beginning to get lost in the sea of headlamps. I know, I know, a very small population confined to warmer weather months, but as a rider, that's small comfort to me! |
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| hfelknor |
I've heard the motorcycle argument and as an ex rider I can see the point. I also have heard the impact on Fossil Fuel use. I have heard the argument about the added cost per vehicle on something that perhaps should be an option.
But the one argument that I haven't heard is one that I see all the time and i have actually done once.
That is, the driver pulls out onto the street or highway at night, and knows his lights are on, because he can see them.
He promptly gets rear ended because his lights are NOT on and there is nothing on, on the rear of the vehicle. He effectively is running at night without lights.
Homer |
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| ekaxel |
Homer:
Most DRL are just not bright enough to fool an awake driver into thinking his lights are on. Also, when your lights are off (DRL mode) there are no dash lights. That should give most folks a clue! |
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| hfelknor |
Sure, at night. In the Dark. But not in the evening. Or on some of those streets in Miami where the street lights light up the entire inside of your car.
Believe Me this is not a theory to me. I did it.
In any event who gives a crap? :D
Homer |
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| pavouk |
I'm owner of 07 MO "S" and I do not have either fog lights or automatic lights in my equipment. I think I can use this hack to turn on headlights, but I do have questions for those who done it (Headlights NOT fogs):
1) What actually lights up? Headlight only or the whole set (marker and taillights)?
2) What relay to use for headlight triggering?
3) Is it possible to crate pin out numbers that we know what wire goes to where on both relay and "motherboard"
4) Is there a trick to remove "motherboard" I tried it yesterday in the evening, but it was not as easy as I thought. Shell I remove wires from the board first? Unlatching the board allowed me to pull it out only few millimeters and then it snapped back into place.
Thank you Michael |
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