| hfelknor |
The newest Murano concept car.
Uh, wait a minute.........is that a Chevy ornament?
This is a Hydrogen fuel cell concept car from Chevy.
A little more than that actually.
This one is fully functional.
Hydrogen powered with a 300 mile range.
Could be a harbinger.
Homer |
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| KOZ |
quote:
Originally posted by hfelknor
The newest Murano concept car.
Uh, wait a minute.........is that a Chevy ornament?
This is a Hydrogen fuel cell concept car from Chevy.
A little more than that actually.
This one is fully functional.
Hydrogen powered with a 300 mile range.
Could be a harbinger.
Homer
That is one ugly car. The ass of the car reminds me of a Subaru B9 and for some reason the front headlights reminds me of the Cayenne...
Those aren't flattering comparrisons.
I'd rather go 280 miles in my Mo than 300 miles in the "Clownmobile" you've been so kind to share. |
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| Kris |
| Yes, it looks ugly...........but it has technology.......how could we marry Murano and its performance with Chevy technology? |
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| njjoe |
There are 7 vents in the bumper and one on the hood. I wonder if these are ornamental or are they required for the proper operation of the fuel cell?
BTW- at first glance I thought it was a heavily modified MO.
-njjoe |
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| Halo |
| A Hydrogen fuel cell is a great way to store energy. You still have to generate it somehow, however. |
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| bob1 |
| We have a Murano rear fender, rear door and front door. They really blew it on the nose. I can't see the back but hard to beat the Murano, as we all know the MO has a great butt. |
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| biggun |
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Originally posted by Halo
A Hydrogen fuel cell is a great way to store energy. You still have to generate it somehow, however.
Halo brings up a great point. If this was the answer to cheap fuel everyone would be making it - but it's not. It takes more to create hydrogen fuel than the average price of gas - even these days.
Ity won't fly until they come up with a way to make it cheap, which is what most consumers think about. |
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| biggun |
| BTW, regarding the looks. It looks like chevy combined a B7 with a Equinox than added a pandora kit. |
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| DrivesAMurano |
Hydrogen is the way to go. I don't buy that it's super expensive to make. How much money and energy (in both human and chemical terms) does it take to extract oil from the ground and refine it to gasoline and the various other items we use? What about the socio-political factors these days? Should we really continue to support regimes that have policies contrary to the US for nothing more than crude oil?
Hydrogen is available from water and water vapor in the air. At the basic level, only electricity is needed to break the hydrogen bond. No large refineries are needed. With a little American ingenuity and engineering it could be made at home using solar cells and regular tap municipal water. There is no need for hydrogen stations like the gas stations we have today. Toyota already proved it by making hydrogen suitable for use in cars in California parking lots. If someone were to say that hydrogen could blow up a home (ala Hindenburg), I would point them to their natural gas line (methane) and their cooking stoves, that gas line and stove have more potential ability to destroy a home than a given volume hydrogen gas.
The problem with hydrogen is that it destablizes world energy suppliers, transporters, and takes the political power away from those few powerful and rich individuals and gives the power to the masses, in effect removing power. |
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| Eric L. |
I'm all for hydrogen power, but I don't believe for a minute that at the moment we can make hydrogen using hydrolysis of water without consuming an anount of fossil fuel that would make the process economically unviable. While solar cells have come a long way, I think you would need much much more than panels on the top of your house to generate enough hydrogen to power your car!
Now if they started building hundreds of nuclear power plants solely to power the hydrolysis of water, then maybe we'd be onto something, but that opens up an entirely new (actually old) can of worms. |
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| hfelknor |
But here's the issue....
In the event of WWIII, or even some subset of it, we could be cutoff from our oil.
Even if we just decimated the world's oil fields......So that our enemies wouldn't have any either......we would still have this teensy weensy little problem.
And yes, we all know about the Strategic reserve. As long as the war didn't last more than 37 days, we would be in fat city.....
BTW, the strategic reserve has not been topped off since we used some at the height of the $3+ gas. So there is somewhat less than 37 days worth......and no infrastructure to move it all anyway......
What to do......?
Well the ONE thing we have is coal.
Figuring on a BTU basis, we have enough coal HERE to last an estimated 255 years at current consumption.
Coal works good for a lot of things.
But not cars.
Maybe if we built electric stations that were coal powered......... then we could make Hydrogen...........and have years to work this out.
Of course we could use this as a fallback plan.
After all, if WWIII starts we would have 37 days to implement it............
Well maybe that won't work either.
The cost?
What difference does it make?
If you don't have oil, then the cost of the alternative may indeed impact the country's standard of living, but it just wouldn't matter.
The answer will likely be a little of this and a little of that.
Some pure electric, some Hydrogen, Some Ethanol.......
Several large companies are betting on Hydrogen. BMW is committing 30% or their R&D on H.
There are a lot of issues..........but we best be starting to deal with them.
Homer |
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| Charlie's Dad |
| I read that the owners of GM's EV 1 were for the most part delighted with their experience and really wanted to keep their cars. I wonder why since they are mechanically less complex and real-world daily driving for most commuters is less than 50 mi per day arn't more pure electrics available. I would love to have a cheap >5k one or 2 seat electric commuter to run back and forth my 15 mile daily commute in stop and go traffic. I know it might not be as safe but hey we don't have a helmet law in Florida so how unsafe could it be compared to a motorcycle. |
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