| Kris |
Can anyone explain it to me please…..
Just during last two weeks went to have a haircut done. First question – your telephone number. Second – your address. I refuse to give my address. No can do the haircut. System will not allow me to do it. It really p…d me off. After 10 min or so the system was overridden and I got m y haircut.
Publix, a grocery shop used to check my ID whenever I purchased alcohol. That was OK as stupid politicians here decided EVERYBODY has to show ID! No discriminating! Now Publix installed a new flashy registers and I am not only asked for ID but my birthday date get entered into the system! When I asked why? they were very surprised I had any objections… I guess next time I will just ask for store manager….
What is happening to this country? Is there a common sense anymore? Is there such thing as privacy anymore? I just want to buy grocery….. |
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| njjoe |
Address and telephone number for a haircut?!? :8: Maybe he wants to put you on his Christmas card list.:D
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| hfelknor |
We knew he was dying
THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE
By Lori Borgman
Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes and factories, and helping folks get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.
Common Sense lived by simple credos: sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adults are in charge, not the kids), and winning isn't everything (it's okay to come in second).
A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived trends including body piercing, whole language, and "new math." But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-only-helps-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus. In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well intentioned but overbearing regulations. He watched in pain as good people became ruled by self-seeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies.
Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition. It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parent when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.
Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and federal judges stuck their noses in everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally, when a woman, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, was awarded a huge settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.
As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low flow toilets, rocking chairs, and stepladders. Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two stepbrothers and a stepsister: My Rights, Only Me and Ima Whiner.
Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.
Note: This piece was first published March 15, 1998 in the Indianpolis Star. It has been "modified" and "edited" by others and circulated on the Internet, even sent to me several times. Imagine my surprise to see it attributed to some guy named Anonymous. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I take having my work circulated on the web as a compliment.
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The Death of Common Sense: How Law Is Suffocating America
Philip K. Howard
Warner Books, March 1996
The New York Times' bestseller from CG founder and chair Philip K. Howard.
Summary:
Why did the New York City building code crush Mother Teresa's plans to build a shelter for the homeless? Why do your tax dollars pay for policing elementary school art displays? How did a handicap-access law deny public bathrooms for thousands of able-bodied people? America is drowning: in law, legality, bureaucratic process. Abandoning our common sense and individual sense of responsibility, we live in terror of the law, in awe of procedure, at was with one another. Philip K. Howard has written the explosive manifesto for liberation--one of the most talked about sociopolitical treatises of our time. Citing dozens of examples of bureaucratic overkill--everything from the labeling of window cleaner as a toxic substance to the U.S. Department of Defense spending $2 billion on travel and $2.2 billion processing the paperwork for that travel--The Death of Common Sense shows how far we have wandered, how we got into this mess, and how we can--and must--get out. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by hfelknor
We knew he was dying
THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE
By Lori Borgman
Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
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Kudos to Lori Borgman for writing that great piece and to Homer for sharing it with us. Thanx.
Lawyers must be dancing on Common Sense's grave, because if Common Sense was still around we would not need so many lawyers intervening in our everyday lives.
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| Kris |
OK guys, so what are you going to do about it?
Just a simple question....
I know what I am going to do... |
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| Eric L. |
| I admit whenever I go get a haircut, they use my telephone number to bring up my record. Yep a haircut record, for all the good it will do. :D |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
I admit whenever I go get a haircut, they use my telephone number to bring up my record. Yep a haircut record, for all the good it will do. :D
Can someone please explain to me why a barber needs a record of his customers, especially since his is a cash business?
I guess pretty soon they will ask for your email so they can notify you of your next appointment. :p
My barber still uses the old-style crank-operated cash register. So did the barber I used when I lived in Baltimore.
Barbers' going hi-tech. What's next?
-njjoe |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Can someone please explain to me why a barber needs a record of his customers, especially since his is a cash business?
I guess pretty soon they will ask for your email so they can notify you of your next appointment. :p
My barber still uses the old-style crank-operated cash register. So did the barber I used when I lived in Baltimore.
Barbers' going hi-tech. What's next?
-njjoe
Every few visits, they give me a coupon when I checkout, so I don't mind if they keep a record if that means I pay a little less. |
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| Kris |
My usual barber is a good old style barber. He does not asked stupid questions.
I understand if the service provider can have some reference, but please do not give me that - coupons! I do not care about them. I just cannot imagine someone asks you for birthday and address just to pay for the service! This is simply ridiculous. And I will fight it. I do not care if some idiots like this or not. |
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| Gonzo |
If someone really needs my information I give 'em fake information, just to make the system happy. Samething for an email address. I wiould like to take this moment to appologize to the person that has the email address of: noone@aol.com.
You are getting all my junk email. On that note to anyone on this forrum, pleae feel free to use this address too..... works perfectly. I never heard from anyone! :4: |
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| Corin |
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo
I wiould like to take this moment to appologize to the person that has the email address of: noone@aol.com.
You're nicer than I am. My fake e-mail address has a significant higher degree of profanity. :) |
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| mgthe3 |
Yep, billybob19whatever@aol.com gets my spam as well. Poor guy.
LOL
And yes Kris, it is crazy.
According to what cashier I get, is according whether I get carded or not. I am 50, and obviously so with my more salt than pepper hair. The GA state law says anyone obviously over the age of 29 need not be carded. BUT, a store can, and does have the right, to card anyone at any time for alcohol purchases. I'll go out on a limb here because it is a pet peeve of mine and many of my counter parts in Atlanta, that here, it is always a clerk of a certain ethnicitiy that takes great pleasure to card us--it is NEVER the case with other folks from other ethnicities. Yes, folks will point their fingers and say I am a racist, but they don't know my first wife was Puerto Rican of less than fair complexion, so they have no purchase with such a statement. I'm gettin off the track here, sorta, because it is in the same vain which causes the same crap we have to put up with listed above. I'll shut up now.
Gettin off my stool now.
:rolleyes:
a little parting statement:
I have had an R top secret clearance in my service to this country.
I also have a carry permit.
If the government doesn't know exactly who and where I am, they are brain dead.
Most of this privacy issue revolves around terra farming. It is marketing which drives it, and we all pay a hefty percentage to each product we buy to help drive it. I'm afraid that that is the state of a free market. I get my percentage off of Kroger merchandise when I use my Kroger shopping card, but, it is in reality just taking my purchases and adding them to the terra farm in the name of a 50 something Atlanta suburbanite. |
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| bob1 |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
[B]Can anyone explain it to me please…..
Just during last two weeks went to have a haircut done. First question – your telephone number. Second – your address. I refuse to give my address. /B]
Time we take a stand. Everyone give BS address and phony info.
Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Kramer says. "why does Radio Shack ask for your zip code when you buy batteries? To screw with your mind."
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| zebelkhan |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
...Yes, folks will point their fingers and say I am a racist, but they don't know my first wife was Puerto Rican...
Then why may I ask she was replaced?????????? :2:
All kidding aside, I have multiple e-mail addresses and I use one for each business I deal with. This way I can track who sells them, then I stop doing business with them....:D |
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| Gonzo |
| One thing I do give honest information about is if at the cashier they simply ask for my zip code. I have no problem with that as they use that to determine thier customer demographics. I can provice it and it has no impact on my personal information what so ever. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by bob1
Time we take a stand. Everyone give BS address and phony info.
Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode where Kramer says. "why does Radio Shack ask for your zip code when you buy batteries? To screw with your mind."
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If I remember correctly, it wasn't that long after Seinfeild joked about the Radio Shack policy that they announced they would no longer ask for your phone number.
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| Ctx |
I normally fake two digits in a number of mine or fake the name spelling. It definitely shows up later as spam and I nail the creeps that way. To be honest, don't see a lot of crap from stores I have actually visited. I do see spam from the on-line stuff and it is amazing as to how fast it shows up in the Bulk account.
ps: this is the might show up as Online stuff.. if anyone gets more "in my business" I decline to answer. |
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| Kris |
| OK guys, you missed one point. I understand that they ask many questions and you can provide "not so true" answers. But why? Because of $$$$. In Publix they introcuced a new system so the store clerk has to enter the birth date! They take your driver license and enter the date. Apparently if they fail to do so they get fined by store $100! And this is even more ridiculous and stupid than our politicians! Anyone wants to disagree? |
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| njjoe |
I can understand certain questions. A few years ago one of our local supermarkets asked for your zip-code during check-out. I asked why and was told they wanted to see where their customers lived. This made sense because the store is located in a area where the population increases in the summer months due to vacationers. I had no problem giving my zip-code because I do not consider it a personal piece of information.
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| hfelknor |
"In Publix they introcuced a new system so the store clerk has to enter the birth date! They take your driver license and enter the date. Apparently if they fail to do so they get fined by store $100!"
Kris, that may be a maverick store manager.....
I can assure you (I know people at Publix HQ and just got off the phone....gave them a good laugh) that this is NOT a Publix policy and in fact there is no place to enter any birthdates in our stores here in Florida.
Exactly where do they enter this info?
This sounds like a story started by Winn Dixie.
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| Kris |
Homer,
in our store (I like this store and Publix in general. Has been shopping there for many years..) they installed new terminals - nice LCD screens. I believe they do have a field for the birthday. My driver's licenses was "taken" for me, lady read the date and entered it into the system....so the HQ people may lugh but that was my experience. I am considering telling them next time that I do not have an ID on me......:D
PS. Could they email me a statement that it is not mandatory to give them b'day date? ;) |
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| mgthe3 |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
The GA state law says anyone obviously over the age of 29 need not be carded. BUT, a store can, and does have the right, to card anyone at any time for alcohol purchases. I'll go out on a limb here because it is a pet peeve of mine and many of my counter parts in Atlanta, that here, it is always a clerk of a certain ethnicitiy that takes great pleasure to card us--it is NEVER the case with other folks from other ethnicities.
Guess what? (OH! I sooooo had to post back to this)
I went to get beer tonight. Same Kroger I bought beer at the last 4 times. THIS time I get carded, I betcha can't guess the ethnicity of the cashier.
:rolleyes:
"Why are you carding me?"
Everyone who buys beer gets carded here.
"NO they do not, not the last 4 times I was here."
If you buy beer from me you do, we HAVE to, there is no other way to buy it.
"The nice way for me to say this is that you are telling a lie."
She looks at me stunned.
I point at my wife, "She is a Kroger manager."
silence....
GRRRRRR
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| mgthe3 |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
Then why may I ask she was replaced?????????? :2:
Because the 3rd time I caught her cheating on me I divorced her.
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
Because the 3rd time I caught her cheating on me I divorced her.
:2:
This forum gets more and more interesting every day. :D
-njjoe |
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| TexInFla |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
I betcha can't guess the ethnicity of the cashier.
Could it possibly be that you just encountered a jerk and that her asking for your ID has nothing to do with her ethnicity or yours? I'd bet it could.
Kris, the Publix stores where I live have also installed the new terminals with the fancy LCD screens, and I've never been asked for my driver's license or to provide my date of birth. I always pay by credit card and never by check, so maybe that's a difference? Maybe they capture all the info they want from the magnetic stripe on my CC.... |
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| Kris |
TexInFla
I always pay using debit cards. And I am not 18 years old! I am 50! It is a bad joke. Someone has something else than brain in the head. And no, I do not see a pattern - there is no ethnicity here. Just pure bloody stupidity....just wonder who is so stupid....next time they will ask for address and SS number....
I guess I will walk to the store, get a can of beer and will try to pay using cash. And no, I will have no ID on me. Just wonder what the store manager will have to say....oh, last 5 years I have been spending in this store close to $10k/year.....I may take my business somewhere else...but I do not really want to... |
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| mgthe3 |
quote:
Originally posted by TexInFla
Could it possibly be that you just encountered a jerk and that her asking for your ID has nothing to do with her ethnicity or yours? I'd bet it could.
If anyone wants to discuss that issue further, feel free to PM me.
Honestly Kris, retail stores could give a rats a$$ if you went somewhere else. Banks, car dealers, any place in a city as large as ours really could care less. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
Honestly Kris, retail stores could give a rats a$$ if you went somewhere else. Banks, car dealers, any place in a city as large as ours really could care less.
You got it right. They simply do not care...... |
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