| verse214 |
as i've stated in previous posts, i feel that most of us that do not have the knowledge to make us feel safe to mod the performance on our MO on our own will not take risks. I feel that a possibility would be to mod the ECU but i don't know enough about it... well i found these guys who will do it for you for a nissan murano.
all you have to do is send them your car's ecu info and then they send you back the program to reset your car.. i'm gonna email them and ask them about resetting the car to default if i choose to do so, etc..... warrantees, etc...
anyone know anything about this please add your advice.. here's the webiste:
http://www.betterairflow.com/store/...?idproduct=1787 |
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| verse214 |
this is a copy of the email that i sent to "betterairflow.com"
To Whom it May Concern:
I own a 2007 Nissan Murano and I have been looking for performance upgrades that would not comprimise the longevity and smoothness of the CVT that the Murano employs. I am interested in purchasing this upgrade service from your company but I was wondering if you would be able to answer some of my questions first.
Firstly, would you be able to tell me what your upgrade for the Nissan Murano would do specifically? (effects on performance, torque, mpg, etc.)
Would I be able to reset to factory defaults if i did not like the change of settings on the ECU?
Would I be sending you the ECU or just the ECU settings? (in other words, what would be the exact steps that would be required of me to get you either the info or the actual ECU)
I ask this question because you make it sound as if it would be a pain for you guys to physically remove the ECU from my car, however later on in the description it sounds like you ask me to do it myself.
Would this void my car from the warrantee NISSAN offers?
Are the settings that you are going to change SAFE FOR THE CVT?
Finally, have you ever done this for a Murano before? If so, would you be able to tell me what the results were? and if not, how do you know that it works for Muranos?
Thanks so much, and I look forward to doing business with you.
Sincerely,
Alan Lo |
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| sxmdaniel |
quote:
Originally posted by verse214
as i've stated in previous posts, i feel that most of us that do not have the knowledge to make us feel safe to mod the performance on our MO on our own will not take risks. I feel that a possibility would be to mod the ECU but i don't know enough about it... well i found these guys who will do it for you for a nissan murano.
all you have to do is send them your car's ecu info and then they send you back the program to reset your car.. i'm gonna email them and ask them about resetting the car to default if i choose to do so, etc..... warrantees, etc...
anyone know anything about this please add your advice.. here's the webiste:
http://www.betterairflow.com/store/...?idproduct=1787
Please keep us up to date on your progress , interesting stuff |
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| Tyler_Canada |
WOW. $300 for a kit that tells you how to remove your computer and some packaging materials and order forms.
This kit is so that you can send your ECU to JET to have them reprogram it. It does not include the reprogramming!
I have heard VERY mixed reviews of JET products, although the bad ones were a bit more frequent. Personally I would much rather have TechnoSquare do a custom job (they're experts when it comes to current Nissan's). |
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| verse214 |
They sent me this email (which doesn't really make sense to me)
Alan,
I believe you're e-mailing from www.betterairflow.com
There are no chips we carry for the CVT. The CVT is a totally different animal for tuning.
Its best to keep with your stock software in that case.
Sincerely,
Josh Sadowsky
StangSuspension.com
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This makes no sense to me because the product they have listed is for the 03-06 MO's, all of which have CVT's (correct?)
I've written another thread that talks about a tv show my friend saw where they said that there was a way to "hack" into the computer of the car and change some settings w/o actually installing any performance parts to the car that would boost performance. I thought that this was what this JET upgrade was but i'm thinking that i was mistaken and that this upgrade would only be effective if one had an intake or exhaust or something like that and the JET would be able to maximize the performance gain from those add-ons by reprogramming the ECU.
This is the email i sent back to them after i received the response:
Dear Mr. Sadowsky,
Thank you for your quick response. Your product that you have listed on betterairflow.com is for the 03-06 Nissan Murano, all of which have CVT's installed. The 06 Murano is the exact same care as the 07 Murano. Doesn't that mean that the ECU upgrades that you have for 03-06 Murano's take the CVT into consideration as well? I am assuming that the ECU upgrades that you offer for the Muranos will optimize performance if one has an intake, exhaust system, or other aftermarket performance part on their Murano correct? Or would the ECU upgrade even affect the performance of a stock Murano?
I am confused by your statement of how you have no chips that can be applied to a vehicle with CVT since the 03-06 Murano's all have that type of transmission. Could you please clarify? Thanks.
Sincerely,
Alan Lo |
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| verse214 |
if the JET upgrade is for optimizing add-ons like an intake or exhaust, does anyone know if a ECU upgrade would actually increase the negligible boost obtained from adding an intake and exhaust?
thanks,
alan |
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| njjoe |
verse214-
Notice anything similar about the following three packages from BetterAirFlow.com? :27: The Murano, Pathfinder, and Frontier all have the same part number, cost $299.25 and take 10-15 minutes to install.
Nissan Murano 03-06- JET Computer Upgrade Package
Part #: 65002
Nissan Pathfinder 90-06 - JET Computer Upgrade Package
Part #: 65002
Nissan Frontier 98-06 - JET Computer Upgrade Package
Part #: 65002
I guess they believe a 1990 Pathfinder has the same ECM as the 2006 Murano.
Their credibility just went down the toilet, as far as I am concerned. :flush:
-njjoe |
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| sxmdaniel |
| Very observant Njjoe , i have my doubts too . |
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| Gonzo |
| Grreat detective work Njjoe! |
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| Tyler_Canada |
Not all Murano's have CVT's. In some countries they are sold with 4-speed autos.
Chip tuning that takes into account intake and exhaust mods drastically increase the difference those mods make (making them more worthwhile than just for sound).
njjoe is right though, Jet is not very credible. The gains reported by customers vary from negligible to negative. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by Tyler_Canada
Is no one reading my posts or the package details from betterairflow.com???
That package is just an order form and shipping!!! No ECU or ECU programming is included!!!
That's not how I interpret it. They claim "Once we receive your ECU it will be programmed according to the vehicle specification sheet to optimize the fuel and timing curves for your specific modifications. That's all part of their "Custom Computer Upgrade Package".
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| verse214 |
So everyone check this out..... with JUST THE COMPUTER UPGRADE for 300 bucks this guys tells me that JET will be able to add 15 hp and 15 lbs of torque with no negative affect on the CVT. if you don't like it, within the first year of upgrade they will reset for FREE... here's the email they sent me:
Hi Alan,
This is Lonnie from Betterairflow.com. I have a couple answers for you regarding the 07 Nissan Murano. You can expect to see an increase of 15-18 Horsepower and 14-15 ft/lbs of torque. Your gas mileage will stay the same unless you start ripping up the streets.
If you are not happy with the modification to your computer. Jet will be more than happy to set your computer back to it's stock presets. The reset is free for the first year of the upgrade.
When you purchase the computer upgrade, Jet will send you a form where you can specify what mods you currently have on your Murano. The turn around is usually 24 hours.
The upgrade will not effect your CVT. I made sure to ask the techs at Jet and they said they don't make any modifications to the Transmission.
If you have any further questions please feel free to give us a call or send us an email.
1 877 272 5670
Lonnie Dilan
www.betterairflow.com
I'm gonna be doing this in december and i will let you know how it goes... it's made specifically for the Murano unlike the technosquare so i'm trusting it... lemme know what everyone else thinks.... i think it's awesome.. |
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| njjoe |
verse214-
Look at their reply again. When they say "The upgrade will not effect your CVT. I made sure to ask the techs at Jet and they said they don't make any modifications to the Transmission", they mean they are not making any modifications to the software that controls the CVT, hence the control of the CVT is not affected. They are NOT saying the increase in HP/torque will not affect the trans. That would be a fraudulent claim.
Although legally and technically this modification will adversely affect your warranty, I doubt very much that your local Nissan dealer will interrogate the ECM parameters if you bring in your MO with a failed tranny.
Go for it. Let's see if $300 and 15 additional horsepower will enable you to "rip up the streets", as they say, and turn the MO into a screamer.
Will you be adding any other engine mods to compliment the ECM remapping?
-njjoe |
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| sxmdaniel |
quote:
Originally posted by verse214
So everyone check this out..... with JUST THE COMPUTER UPGRADE for 300 bucks this guys tells me that JET will be able to add 15 hp and 15 lbs of torque with no negative affect on the CVT. if you don't like it, within the first year of upgrade they will reset for FREE... here's the email they sent me:
Hi Alan,
This is Lonnie from Betterairflow.com. I have a couple answers for you regarding the 07 Nissan Murano. You can expect to see an increase of 15-18 Horsepower and 14-15 ft/lbs of torque. Your gas mileage will stay the same unless you start ripping up the streets.
If you are not happy with the modification to your computer. Jet will be more than happy to set your computer back to it's stock presets. The reset is free for the first year of the upgrade.
When you purchase the computer upgrade, Jet
will send you a form where you can specify what mods you currently have on your Murano. The turn around is usually 24 hours.
The upgrade will not effect your CVT. I made sure to ask the techs at Jet and they said they don't make any modifications to the Transmission.
If you have any further questions please feel free to give us a call or send us an email.
1 877 272 5670
Lonnie Dilan
www.betterairflow.com
I'm gonna be doing this in december and i will let you know how it goes... it's made specifically for the Murano unlike the technosquare so i'm trusting it... lemme know what everyone else thinks.... i think it's awesome..
Well i don't know based on other reviews , however i'm willing to wait on your trial and if all goes well maybe give it a shot , let those guys know that if they do a good job we have lots of potential customers waiting in line |
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| verse214 |
I am definitely adding the Injen intake and I am contemplating adding the Weldina Exhaust by nismo from BespokeVIP.com but i'm not sure about that because of the price. Should I wait for a few days after i've added these mods to my car to have my ecu upgraded by JET? I feel like I should but i'm not sure...
Also, i've read in several places in the forum that when i service my MO there is a possibility that they update ECU stuff sometimes? should I let them know about the JET upgrade when i service my vehicle or will iit not make a difference?
Lastly, does anyone know where i can find reviews of JET's ECU products? I've heard that there have been negative reviews and I would like to read them...
thanks.
Sincerely,
Alan
i want to spend a sum of about 7-8k but no more than 10k on accessories and upgrades on my MO.. does anyone have suggestions besides the intake and exhaust system i've listed above?
(gonna get the nismo front lip as well as a gloss pearl paint coat over the factory platinum)... i think i'll be close to 6k after that but i'm still thinking about audio/dvd/electronics options... |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by verse214
Also, i've read in several places in the forum that when i service my MO there is a possibility that they update ECU stuff sometimes? should I let them know about the JET upgrade when i service my vehicle or will iit not make a difference?
verse214-
Where did you read that? I have never heard of a MO dealer uploading any data while a car is in for service. It might be nice if they did, but I seriously doubt they do.
I also would not tell them a damn thing. If the CVT fails prematurely they will try to blame it on the extra horsepower. If the rear cup holder fails they will try to blame it on the extra horsepower. I would definitely keep it to yourself (and us :D).
-njjoe |
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| verse214 |
haha i'll keep that in mind.
do you suggest that I wait to upgrade the ECU after i have added the intake and exhaust or would it not make a difference whether i had JET change the ECU settings before or after "hardware" add-ons? |
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| njjoe |
verse214-
I would shoot them an email and ask them. Afterall, they are the best qualified to answer your question. My guess is the intake/exhaust mods can be done anytime, however you won't experience the full benefit of those changes until the ECM is reprogrammed.
-njjoe |
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| Tyler_Canada |
| For reviews try a google search (jet chip review). |
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| verse214 |
| they told me to add the mods first... after i do all of that i will let you guys know how my car is running... anyone else with chip upgrades? |
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| sxmdaniel |
| Hey , tell you guys what , i just finished my installations this weekend added the Z tube with JWT pop charger and flowmaster exhaust , i'm totally pleased great sound and i feel the difference with the Vq breathing much better. |
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| SanJoseMO |
| A sound clip please. I am curious about the flowmaster...I had a flowmaster system on my Tahoe- definitely an exhaust note I would not like for my MO. But then I had 3 inch piping and 2 chamber mufflers on this system- woke up the whole neighborhood! |
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| hfelknor |
Yeah, I had a flowmaster on my 5L5sp Mustang Vert. Had to go back in with a couple of 15" glasspacks to smooth out the sound. Was too ragged w/o the glasspacks....sounded like a Nascar cup car.:rolleyes:
Couple of glasspacks took it down nicely and erased the ragged sound. Made it DEEP and powerful, exactly what I had been looking for.
This can be done on the Murano too, if necessary. The Glasspack that is, not so much the deep and powerful. V6s will NEVER have the sound of a V8. :(
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| sxmdaniel |
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Originally posted by SanJoseMO
A sound clip please. I am curious about the flowmaster...I had a flowmaster system on my Tahoe- definitely an exhaust note I would not like for my MO. But then I had 3 inch piping and 2 chamber mufflers on this system- woke up the whole neighborhood!
Flowmaster 80 series Ref # 42583 [url]
recommended by Linky , love it , I did not remove the center muffler like linky did , i just replaced the rear as he recommended to do first , and fantastic , very light rumble on idle and lightly louder on accelaration , nothing unbearable or highly audible in cabin , i would recommend it to anyone it sounds 90 % like the FX 35 , i just love it .
I do have a Flowmaster hushpower resonator to be installed maybe ?? in the furure for a louder rumble ,but for now i love it the way it is , i can defenitely hear more noise coming from the engine compartment with the Z tube and JWT , so for those that have not changed their intake i'm pretty sure that the flowmaster will be nothing but a sweet , sweet rumble , defenitely not overwhelming . |
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| hfelknor |
Oh, THAT Flowmaster!
Looked at your gallery, you have built one sweet Murano. :cool:
Congrats.
Homer |
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| sxmdaniel |
quote:
Originally posted by hfelknor
Oh, THAT Flowmaster!
Looked at your gallery, you have built one sweet Murano. :cool:
Congrats.
Homer
Thanks Homer , a lot of it is owed to you guys , thanks for the excellent help and advise . |
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| njjoe |
sxmdaniel-
Excellent!! I am glad the Flowmaster produced the sound you were looking for. It looks like Linky may be on to something.
-njjoe |
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| sxmdaniel |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
sxmdaniel-
Excellent!! I am glad the Flowmaster produced the sound you were looking for. It looks like Linky may be on to something.
-njjoe
DEFENITELY , he's the man , excellent set up . :18:
THANK YOU LINKY |
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