| darrylburke |
One thing I noticed about the "digital radio" in the 03 MO.. there are no "traffic" or "info" buttons on the radio.. The local stations are now starting to broadcast the song names, but I can't get them in the MO....
AAGGHH.. talk about a rip off... |
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| jaak |
Yeah, the RDS implementation in the Murano sucks...
I borrowed a generator from work and created my own station with RDS data, and the only thing I could get to work was a station ID. It's almost misleading putting RDS on the face as it doesn't do much of it.... |
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| hfelknor |
So is this a warranty issue?
I don't think they sold it as a subset of RDS.
Homer
Nice job, how did you modulate it wth your personalized "callsign"? |
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| jaak |
I think because at least one function works from RDS, then it would be harder to fight than the SAT button which they have gone through great expense to claim doesn't work and printed out stickers to put on the vehicle to confirm the uh, misleading information.
I'm fortunate in that I had access to a R&S SMV signal generator which does most, if not all of the RDS formats. So I programmed up everything and tried different modes and all I could get out of the Murano was a station ID.
The interesting part, is there is an access point on the radio's board inside that is a data point for the RDS (it seems) so if someone really wanted to do something with the RDS data, it is accessable.
Bit of a pain, that it's not integrated. It would have just been a bit of software... |
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| mattsmurano |
Hey! My radio station ID doesn't display anything but the frequency. Argh!
I have a display mode on my CD display options that says "song title". It doesn't work either. How do I get either, or both to work?
I do not have a CD Changer, it is just the std. in-dash unit..
My Sirius Satellite radio displays just fine though...
Help?
Matthew |
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| jpburk |
The RDS information and CD song title information won't display if there's nothing to display. Where I live, there are only a couple of radio stations that send out RDS information, and I've found precious few CDs (except the ones that I burn myself) that come with song title information. It's a shame, because that's a really neat function, even with the truncated titles!
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| GMTURBO43 |
A lot of CDs aren't doing it.
If you put the CD in your computer for the most part all you see is Track 1, track 2, track 3......
Same thing your stereo sees.
We have a few stations that are broadcasting the name - most of them I know by the number so it isn't abig deal. It would be nice if the function worked - but I didn't buy the M to tell me what station I am listening to. |
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| jaak |
Yeah, I agree, I'm not heartbroken about it not working.... It would have been nice.
I have a DAB receiver (It's a digital version of FM radio) that shows the song titles and artist, and I really like the feature. RDS is capable of this, so it would have been really cool, just like the data on the SAT.
I have found a few CD's that also support the titles, but not most. |
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| mattsmurano |
So, it sounds like it wold work if the CDs and radio stations provided the information to read. Thats cool. I just thought maybe I could activate it somehow. I am not dis-satisfied with it, just sounds like a kool feature. I use the SAT 90% of the time anyway and I am thrilled with the way it works.
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| dk4500 |
| Have the upgrade Bose stereo and only complaint is that at a moderate but not overly loud level, the door speaker makes the door armrest vibrate. My other car (Acura) has a speaker in the same place but it must be better insulated because I don't feel anything on the door. Come on Nissan, a little better quality there please! |
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| hfelknor |
Take it in.
They can probably fix it.
Mine doesn't do that at all even at a very loud level.
While looking for a door rattle I saw where a shop somewhere found missing clips on the door. Missing or broken clips, a loose mounting, any number of correctible things could do it.
Homer |
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| dk4500 |
Homer, thanks so much for the info!
I noticed you have a invisible bra...I presume that is a clear plastic adhesive product? If so, does the edges fray with time or darken in color due to dirt? Any disadvantages to it? Thanks again. |
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| hfelknor |
No disadvantages that I know of.
Has a 4 year warranty against any of that stuff.
In fact, if it is damaged in an accident, Ultrashield will replace the affected parts for labor only.
It is a material made by 3M.
I got a complete job.
Hood, bumper , back of Mirrors, Headlights, Fenders, and had them put a piece on the rear bumper in place of the black piece that is used as a cargo protector.
'spensive tho. Cost me $600+
The breakdown was
Hood, Fenders, Mirrors, Bumper - 550
Headlights - 75
Rear Bumper - 40
total - 665
-10% -66.50
FL 6% tax 35.91
Total - $634
I have no idea why I got a 10% discount.
Probably automatic although I did tell them that I got the info from their web site
http://www.ultrashieldusa.com/
Homer
Somebody, I think it is Xpel, sells the same stuff in a DIY kit for maybe $300.
UltraShield in your loc may sell a kit also. |
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| familyman |
I get the name of station, the singer, and the song when available.
It really depends on your station. |
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| lnichols |
quote:
Originally posted by familyman
I get the name of station, the singer, and the song when available.
It really depends on your station.
Can you let us know where you live and what stations you have seen this work on. I live in the DC area and have not been able to get any good RDS info on any station other than the name of the station. |
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| jaak |
Yeah, I'd like to know as well.
It would be good to know the build date of your Murano, and we may need to look up the firmware revision in the Radio as well.
Could be updated firmware.... |
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| familyman |
| i live in Seattle area and there are quite a few stations i get extended info. sorry but i can't recall the names though as i dont listen to FM usually. I will pay attention next time to provide more info. |
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| Dookie |
| 102.7 KIIS FM does this in L.A. as well. I was on a trip to So. Cal. and sure enough the name of the song started scrolling.... |
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| jaak |
OK, Guess I'll have to get out the signal generator again and run it through the gears. I couldn't get mine to display song and artist.
Then I'll have to call the station engineers and find out when they're implementing. I get station ID's only... |
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| lnichols |
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
Yeah, I'd like to know as well.
It would be good to know the build date of your Murano, and we may need to look up the firmware revision in the Radio as well.
Could be updated firmware....
If they did a running change to the radio, I am going to really be pissed. Hopefully stations in DC are just behind and not broadcasting full RDS capabilities. |
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| jaak |
Sorry about the picture quality, but here's the version info on mine, build date Oct 2002.
I didn't go out an take this, I've had it around for about half a year... Have the version info on the SAT too. |
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| darrylburke |
Family Man:
How did you get this..
I have two other vehicles with DAB radios and they both work fine (on many stations) but in the MO I don't see a dam thing.. I get the radio station name, (as expected) but there is no "info" button to hit so I can see the traffic/song title (as I do in the other vehicles..)
hmmm |
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| darrylburke |
how did you get this to display???
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
Sorry about the picture quality, but here's the version info on mine, build date Oct 2002.
I didn't go out an take this, I've had it around for about half a year... Have the version info on the SAT too.
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| darrylburke |
| Mabe the stations that it works on are changing the station id.. bouncing it back and forth from the "name" to the "song title"???????? |
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| jaak |
quote:
Originally posted by darrylburke
how did you get this to display???
Self-Diagnosis Mode
OPERATION PROCEDURES
1. Start the engine.
2. Turn the audio system off.
3. While pressing the “PAUSE/MUTE” switch, turn the volume control dial clockwise or counterclockwise for 30 clicks or more.
(When the self-diagnosis mode is started, a short beep will be heard.)
4. Display unit connection check screen.
5. Select each connecting unit (IVCS, CHANGER, SATELLITE RADIO).
6. Self-diagnosis screen is displayed.
Using the joystick, select each item, and perform diagnosis. |
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| darrylburke |
Cool..
Thanks.. going to have some fun tonight... :D |
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| jaak |
| You really want to have fun, go spend the $19.99 for a one day subscription to www.nissantechinfo.com and view the Service Manual online. While you view each section, click on the save button in Acrobat and don't rename the files. They'll still link to each other on your hard disk, that way. (Or CD if you put it there...) |
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| darrylburke |
| Yeah.. I've got a copy of the manuals.. very cool stuff in there.. it would take a loing time to cover them end to end though.. |
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| jaak |
| Good, then you'll want to look at the AV.pdf pages 26 and 92. The info above is from page 92.:p |
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| jpburk |
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
Self-Diagnosis Mode
OPERATION PROCEDURES
I've gone into the diagnostic menu (NAV system) a couple of times, but I've got to admit that I'm a little bit squeamish playing around in there. Jaak, is there anything that I can mess up by choosing the various menu items in there? I've got quite a history of playing around with things and messing them up! :rolleyes:
By the way, Jaak, I noticed that your sig says you've served 8 million here on nissanmurano.org but only 6 million on FA. Is that because lots of the FA traffic has moved over here? :D
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| jaak |
When you enter the mode, it asks you if you have a changer and if you have a SAT. Just say yes, as this determines if it will go out on the bus and make an enquiry as to firmware revision. If you don't, I think it skips that step. (I'm trying to remember, as it's been a while since I did it.)
I'm not aware of anything in there that you can do that will mess up things, as it's reading information, not writing it. If you want to have some fun, go into the display test, as it will turn on all the segments (for the non-Nav display).
You can also have it report back on various modules through the CAN bus (if I recall... I'll have to go play with it again to remember!). Don't be concerned if it can't find certain modules, as not all Murano's have everything!
As far as the 6 vs. 8, I didn't even notice... The line's just a joke anyway, like McDonald's old signs where they used to update the number as their business grew. You're the first one to say anything about it! |
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| jpburk |
quote:
Originally posted by jaak
As far as the 6 vs. 8, I didn't even notice... The line's just a joke anyway, like McDonald's old signs where they used to update the number as their business grew. You're the first one to say anything about it!
Yup....I got the McDonald's reference. I was so naive as a kid (only slightly less so as an adult ;) ) that I thought the XX millions/billions served referred to that particular restaurant, not the entire chain! I was very impressed that such a little place could pump out so many burgers!
Now do you see why I get nervous messing around with my Murano?!? :eek:
Jeff <---- planning to throw caution to the wind and play with the diagnostic mode! |
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| jaak |
Ahh... Pushing the limits!:4:
I remember wondering if it was just that restaurant as well, not having any concept of how many a Billion was at the time....:p |
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| Matrixnyc |
| It seems that in the NYC area more radio stations are adding RDS features, 100.3 now comes up as z100 and 105.1 comes up as Power105 but they still do not send the artist and music info. But it is a step forward. :) |
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| Dookie |
| I'm so jealous of the '04's! I saw on the Nissan web-site that they don't offer the SE Popular Package anymore, along with the Cold Climate Package. Now it's combined so you have to have heated seats/mirrors too. The didn't sell Murano's in Vegas with the Cold Paakage and I wish I could have got one! |
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| jaak |
Too bad you couldn't buy a Canadian one.... You get the fogs as daytime running lights and in '03 it was do you want an SL AWD or SE AWD, with or without sunroof and NAV on the SE only...
That's your options....
Effectively, in comparison to the US options you got:
SL AWD includes Premium Package & Cold Package
SE AWD includes Popular Package, Leather Package, Dynamic Control Package, Cold Package
Just wish I could've had the Nav and the HID's on the SL. OK, the tire pressure sensors would be good, but on SL wheels...:D |
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| Dookie |
| NOT FAIR! It always seems the Canaidians get the better options!!!:eek: |
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| Matrixnyc |
| yeah, but they always pay more for everything :) |
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| Dookie |
| Even after the currency exchange? |
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| darrylburke |
The Canadians finally get a better offer then the Americans.. (FOW ONCE, Woo Hoo..)
(I'm Canadian..) lol |
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| Doombringer |
Confirmed. I have a Philadelphia station (Q102) that fully utilizes RDS. I discovered it today (they just implemented it). The station name, artist name, and song title scroll across the radio display.
I also have a few other RDS stations that just display the station name, but nothing about the songs playing.
My MO build date was Dec 2002. |
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| sebrex13 |
| Anyone know of a site that list RDS stations? I'm too lazy to look right now.:23: |
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| sebrex13 |
Matrixnyc,
Thanks! That was exactly what I was looking for! |
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| jaak |
That's great news! So we just have to harass the stations to implement the rest of it, and I have to check out that signal generator I have to figure out why I wasn't getting the song title, etc.
Probably pilot error on my part....:17:
Maybe over Christmas I'll try it again and see what I can get it to show. |
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| jaak |
Hmmmm.... Not Good....
I listen often to:
CFNY Toronto, ON "EDGE 102," (titles and artists) 6346
But I have never seen the titles and artists appear, just "EDGE 102" on the MO display.
There's a couple of others in range that I should see it on as well....
I'll have to play around with the menu while on that station and see if it makes a difference.
I know CFNY gives the artist and song in their DAB transmission... |
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| stonemaster |
It isn't the radio's fault that all the info doesn't show-up. I live in Chicago and not all stations here transmit RDS info. Of the ones that do, WNUA (a 'smooth jazz' station) is one of the few I have found that also transmits the song title and artist name. The others just show call letters. I have noticed that more and more stations are starting to transmit RDS info, even if it's only their call letters.
The RDS info on WNUA takes awhile to scroll on the screen (I have Nav and not sure how it works on non-Nav screens). Sometimes the signal gets lost and only a portion of the information is displayed. Then it's like 'Wheel of Fortune' and you have to try and figure out the missing letters!
I also could never get the "program seek" function to work (where you select the style of music or information and the radio is supposed to search the band for the appropriate stations, e.g., 'Jazz', 'Classical', etc., not the 'station seek' function where the radio merely finds the next strongest signal). Again, this may not be the radio's fault, but is because radio stations have not added that info to their transmission.
There are so many possibilities for RDS like displaying weather or traffic info while music is playing (like TV news stations and news talk shows do).
Hey, I remember when AM was the only game in town! All these high tech 'toys' are cool and all, but to me, it's still all about the music. I wish there were more options for the audio system. The Bose system sounds fine for a stock system, but I wish there were better upgrades available. |
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| darrylburke |
quote:
Originally posted by stonemaster
It isn't the radio's fault that all the info doesn't show-up.
Actually IT IS the fault of the radio..
if you look at any DAB radio (Other then the Nissan) you will see a info/traffic button..
There are basically three types of digital info the radio can receive.
1) the digital Audio
2) The Station Identifier
3) The Info/Traffic Data..
All three of these are seperate.. in the case of a normal DAB radio..
you can see the station name. and in the case that they send traffic, you can press the button and see it scroll (I can do this in my Chev Trailblazer, and my porsche boxster)..
but in the MO, there is NO button and I never see the song name/artisits..
NOW.. if you think about how/why you are seeing it.. look at the following scenario..
1) in a DAB radio, you have to "push" a button to see the artists name.. so it's not "automatic" for it to show..
if the radio station wants to "show the name" with the least amount of input from the user (forces them to see the name, without having to push a button, or distract a driver from driving)
the best way is to take the "station identifier" and toggle it back and forth with the station name and the song tite. (This is what I suspect you are seeing..) |
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| stonemaster |
The system in the MO is strictly an RDS capable radio, not a DAB receiver. They are not the same system.
With DAB (digital audio broadcast), the received signal is digital (music and data). It is the same as digital-quality signal used by dish TV systems and contains both digital data and digital audio. You get CD quality sound and better data reception. XM is a pure digital signal.
With RDS, the data stream 'rides' on a standard FM signal (actually it is transmitted on a slightly higher frequency). While the RDS signal is digital, the music-carrying signal is still the standard FM analog and not digital quality.
A radio can't be faulted for something it is not. Instead, Nissan is at fault for their choice in audio systems. Like I said, I wish they had better upgrades. |
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| darrylburke |
| Hence the title of the thread "El-Cheapo".... |
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