| wiseguywm |
| :banghead: my first snow fall with the mo and we had snow on top of ice. i was stopped at a stop sign and proceeded to make a left turn with awd lock on and i spun around 180 degrees hit a curb and rip off my plastic skid plate. would i have been better off with awd lock off? I could probably use better tires besides those s@$*# eagle LSs. any suggestions? |
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| Gonzo |
| A gentle foot on the gas and a shallow turn might have helped. I don't think it would have happened with the AWD off. Unless you are stuck, I tend to just leave the system in Auto mode. |
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| GripperDon |
| Move to Scottsdale :2: |
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| njjoe |
wiseguywm-
You do not want the AWD Lock engaged when you are negotiating a tight turn. The rear tires will attempt to push the car straight while the front tires are working to pull the car into a turn.
The AWD Lock should only be used if you are attempting to start out in deep snow, sand, or mud. That way all four wheels will be able to work to get you going. Above X-mph (depending on model year) the AWD system will ignore the AWD Lock switch and take over control of the system.
Out of curiosity, what plastic skid plate are you referring to?
-njjoe |
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| wiseguywm |
| thanks for your comments everyone , and i think your right with awd lock on it felt like i was pushed making that turn. and i'm referring to the cover underneath the front of the vehicle. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by wiseguywm
i'm referring to the cover underneath the front of the vehicle.
W-
Are you referring to the cover that hangs (or used to hang, in your case) below the bumper on the driver-side? If so, then that is the CVT air scoop. It's purpose is to direct air across the cooling fins cast into the bottom of the CVT housing.
-njjoe |
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| jason1234 |
I've been happy with the Grandtrek SJ5 winter tires. I've had them for 2 winters now, and have been quite happy with them. Big difference from the Eagles.
http://tinyurl.com/yp7say |
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| wiseguywm |
| This piece is the width of the front bumper underneath the front fascia. |
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| manitoba murano |
| Sounds like you were a bit hard on the gas pedal, AWD definitely hurt you in that case. |
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| Tyler_Canada |
| If it was as slippery as it sounds, you would have activated the auto AWD anyway. I don't think it would have made a difference. |
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| RayH |
During a turn the front wheels travel a larger arc on the ground than the rear. The rear tires rotate less relative to the front during turning.
With AWD lock on, the rear tires are forced to rotate at the same speed as the front which is faster than the forward motion of the car (relative to the direction the car is facing, not the front tires).
This causes rear traction to break free when you're on a slippery surface and once the car starts rotating, momentum and loss of rear traction causes the car to continue rotating. |
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| Tyler_Canada |
| Yes, but if it's slippery enough that you spin the front tires, the AWD will still kick in. It's not smart enough to know that the back wheels need to go less distance when turning. |
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| GripperDon |
| Buy a SL ? :confused: |
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| Live4Jesus |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wiseguywm
[B]:banghead: my first snow fall with the mo and we had snow on top of ice. i was stopped at a stop sign and proceeded to make a left turn with awd lock on and i spun around 180 degrees hit a curb and rip off my plastic skid plate.
OUCH!! :eek: |
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| Gonzo |
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Originally posted by GripperDon
Buy a SL ? :confused:
By a SL? I have an AWD SL. One more reason to understand the system and its limitations. No offense anyone this is why more AWD cars are in accidents, people just don't understand what they have.
I can say it for first hand too. The first time I drove an AWD car my arsh stating to kick out.... then after thinking about it I felt stupid.
A friend that bought a MO (on my recommendation, you are Welcome Nissan!) and was on ice, he was surprised when he got stuck.... "Dude you are on ice, dosn't matter how many wheels are turning there ain't no friction!
Human are a funny species. :4: |
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| GripperDon |
| I have a full time 4motion Vehicle that the sudo AWD functions differently on. The rear wheels do not try and turn the same number of revs as the front, it compensates for the turn radius. :D |
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| Gonzo |
| No that sounds like a good solution. |
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| Vrrooom |
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Originally posted by GripperDon
I have a full time 4motion Vehicle that the sudo AWD functions differently on. The rear wheels do not try and turn the same number of revs as the front, it compensates for the turn radius. :D
Phaetons are nice. I feel more confident driving mine then the MO. :cool: |
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| Gonzo |
We had perfect conditions this morning for playing in a parking lot. I was amazed just what happens when the AWD system kicks in.
I wasn't going very fast... I cut the wheel and gave it a little gas, I did a 360° with my foot off the gas. As soon as the rear wheels kicked in.... blam! I was expecting it used a lite push on the pedal and once it started to spin I took my foot off the gas. Granted I did nothing with steering wheel or gas once it started but it was pretty darn easy.
What is the best method to get out of this skid.... oposite wheel and gas? |
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| manitoba murano |
If you're talking about 'oversteer', opposite lock will do it. You can actually drive the car diagonally (rear end kicked out to the right, steering wheel turned left) fairly easily on really slippery stuff. Letting off the throttle helps catch it too, but it'll be really jerky, and not smooth like the drifters you see on the track.
I wouldn't recommend doing this too often though, as there seems to be a lot of concern over the relatively weak xfer case. Doing this, you'll also find that the rear wheels continue to get power well past the supposed 6/12/20mph cutoff IF the fronts are spinning.
As for a full 360 wipeout, it is often better to just come to a full stop and not try to recover from the spin. A full brake lockup ensures that you just continue in the direction your car is travelling. But with ABS, you'll find this difficult to do.
Your only chance to recover is to let off the gas, and try and 'catch the spin' by getting the front wheels at opposite lock when the front end spins around to point in the right direction (that is to say, if you're spinning clockwise, have wheels turned left as the front end points in the direction the car is travelling.) Not an easy spin to recover from, but it is sometimes automatic as you dial in opposite lock when you start the spin to try and catch it, and when the car comes full circle, if you're still at opposite lock, you're already doing what needs to be done to catch the spin. The key is to not have the brakes locked up (or release them) when the car is pointed in the right direction. |
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| Eric L. |
A little late to the thread, but I don't think AWD Lock on or off would have made a difference - auto AWD would have kicked in anyways. What happened was you were too hard on the gas and the rear drive power caused your vehicle to spin. Happens in my AWD MO but I try to be very gentle on the gas when negotiating a turn from a dead stop in the snow/ice.
VDC would have been useful in that situation. |
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| Tyler_Canada |
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo
We had perfect conditions this morning for playing in a parking lot. I was amazed just what happens when the AWD system kicks in.
I wasn't going very fast... I cut the wheel and gave it a little gas, I did a 360° with my foot off the gas. As soon as the rear wheels kicked in.... blam! I was expecting it used a lite push on the pedal and once it started to spin I took my foot off the gas. Granted I did nothing with steering wheel or gas once it started but it was pretty darn easy.
What is the best method to get out of this skid.... oposite wheel and gas?
Yes, opposite wheel and just gas enough gas to stay the speed you're going (so that the wheels can regain traction). I find letting off the gas quickly when the back slides out makes it go around a lot quicker. |
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