| Gonzo |
Have you seen the new Mazda commercial for the CX-7... its funny. They compare it to the MO (and others) but the are pushing against the MO. They have the MO in the commercial... The MO has less horsepower and cost more money is basically their angle. I thought the CX had 244 HP so how does it have more horsepower than a MO?
For a smaller car it gets about the same gas milleage as the MO too....
The CX is a nice looking.... I still enjoy the MO. |
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| GripperDon |
| and side view.:) |
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| Gonzo |
| Agree... I think the CX has a nicer looking front though. |
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| SUNSPOT |
CX-7 is OK?!?
But the Mo has my eye and my heart!! |
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| njjoe |
Gonzo-
The MO has 240 hp versus the CX-7's 244. Whoop-de-do.
The MO's EPA numbers are 20/25 (fwd) and 19/24 (awd) versus 19/24 (fwd) and 18/24 (awd) for the CX-7.
The horsepower and EPA specs are virtually identical.
-njjoe |
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| Gonzo |
| I thought the MO had 245 HP? Did they reduce it from the 03? |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo
I thought the MO had 245 HP? Did they reduce it from the 03?
Yeah, didn't you get the memo?
It is the same actual power output, just a different measurement standard.
-njjoe |
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| crash |
When it's time to put Mo out to pasture; I'd consider a CX-7. It's a bit smaller (good enough for me), has comparable performance (I'm a bit confused by the lesser mileage - but chaulk it up to lack of CVT and a 4 cl turbo) is a sharpe rig (I like both), is reportedly a better handling car (might be personal opinion of reviewers) and cheaper.
In Canada to get a CX 7 with comparable feature to Mo is $35K new (Mo cost me $35 k used, with 50k KM's on it). I figure in a couple of years - I can likely pick up a modestly loved CX7 for $20K.
What's not to like? In 2 years we can get a handle on longevity of their product. |
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| craigster |
I drove one. Nice looking but it is definitely smaller inside - and this is an issue for me, especially in the back seat where I often have adult passengers. As well, the horsepower statement may be similar but the turbo lag on the 4 cylinder is quite noticible - to the point of irritation. Mazda has done a great job in design but a bit weak on the implentation.
The CX9 is actually more Murano like - and I drove one of these also. Bigger, with a V6 and such. But priced a little higher than the Murano. It does have a 3rd seat, such as it is (I could never fit back there!).
Bottom line - Murano is good value and technology. |
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| SIM |
The CX-7 is built on the Mazda 3 platform, a much smaller car than the Altima on which frame the MO is based.
I'm not sure about the CX-9 but my guess is that it is based on the Mazda 6. |
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| 06murano |
turbo lag? well, i don't think the cvt has any less of a lag to write home about neither.
i guess that's the one thing about the mo that irritates me is if i decide to pass someone, its always a second later when the car reacts to my input. |
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| craigster |
quote:
Originally posted by 06murano
turbo lag? well, i don't think the cvt has any less of a lag to write home about neither.
i guess that's the one thing about the mo that irritates me is if i decide to pass someone, its always a second later when the car reacts to my input.
The turbo lag is very noticible at lower speeds. And quite frankly, I have no lag on my CVT at all so I am not sure of your point. Off the line, the CVT is more responsive than a "normal" automatic IMO. This is where turbo lag is most often an issue for me because I notice it in city driving.
At speed, I agree the spool-up to accelerate is there with the CVT - and there wasn't much of an issue with the CX7 because the turbo was already engaged. |
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| GripperDon |
| My CVT's never had lag and every turbo I ever had including two bi turbo still had lag. |
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| SUNSPOT |
quote:
Originally posted by 06murano
turbo lag? well, i don't think the cvt has any less of a lag to write home about neither.
i guess that's the one thing about the mo that irritates me is if i decide to pass someone, its always a second later when the car reacts to my input.
My one and only experience (so far) with the Mo, was a rental. Right out of the Hertz lot, I got on the I-5 Freeway. Stepped on the gas. This little Mo didn't even stop to say how fast. It just bolted out of the gate with no hesitation.
My other experience was driving through Downtown Oceanside California. Stop and go all the way. Step on the gas to keep up with traffic. Step on the brake to keep up with traffic.
My impression is that there is no acceleration hesitation at low OR high speeds. It is an awesome vehicle. |
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| Corin |
| 2000 lb towing capacity completely drops it off my list. That's worse than a subaru for crying out loud. |
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| SIM |
| A 4 banger remains a 4 banger, turbo or not, the torque and the weight ratio are too low to make a potent hauler. |
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| htown_gator |
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Originally posted by SIM
A 4 banger remains a 4 banger, turbo or not, the torque and the weight ratio are too low to make a potent hauler.
And here is the point....
SIM is right -- a V4 is a V4... Turbo or not. I've owned a WRX before, and while the turbo is freakin awesome when it's on, the car still has a problem passing quickly at high speeds on the highway as well as lagging harshly until that turbo kicks in. Turbo is also a serious fuel guzzler -- worse than V6. Believe me, you'll be required to buy nothing but premium for it, and you'll end up getting less mileage as well.
I drove the CX-7 before the Murano, and it was my leading candidate until then. The interior is sporty and the car handles well, but the car is "jumpy" at low revs (tends to jump forward quickly when you are coasting or starting off the line as you hit the accelerator then slows down)... I'm sure someone will know what I mean by that. Anyway, it was enough for both my wife and I to dislike it even though everything else the car offered -- price, handling, visability, technology, and looks (color options were better too). I could get a fully loaded CX-7 FWD GT with my partner pricing plan (S-Plan) for around $29,500. The Murano I just bought with the same options was $33,800. The murano does beat it out for size, ride comfort, and quality "feel" though. |
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| 06murano |
| i agree that the mo doesn't have a lag when you're not using the full potential. but next time when you're on the hwy, punch it all the way (petal to the metal) and you'll see the lag i'm talking about. first you'll hear the engine reving up, then the car decides to go. on mine it's almost a second delay. |
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| Corin |
quote:
Originally posted by 06murano
i agree that the mo doesn't have a lag when you're not using the full potential. but next time when you're on the hwy, punch it all the way (petal to the metal) and you'll see the lag i'm talking about. first you'll hear the engine reving up, then the car decides to go. on mine it's almost a second delay.
Which is pretty typical of any automatic, really. Some (particularly the Smart car) are REALLY bad. Some aren't.
But, if you push the cvt over to S, that delay is significantly reduced. There still IS a delay, but not quite as much. |
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| htown_gator |
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Originally posted by Corin
Which is pretty typical of any automatic, really. Some (particularly the Smart car) are REALLY bad. Some aren't.
But, if you push the cvt over to S, that delay is significantly reduced. There still IS a delay, but not quite as much.
Beat me to the punch....
You failed to let him know that NO turbo 4-banger will ever be able to out muscle a V6 at high speed passing. Sorry, doesn't happen. You're basically operating on 4-cylinder torque while the MO has a V6 ready to go. |
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| Corin |
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Originally posted by htown_gator
Beat me to the punch....
You failed to let him know that NO turbo 4-banger will ever be able to out muscle a V6 at high speed passing. Sorry, doesn't happen. You're basically operating on 4-cylinder torque while the MO has a V6 ready to go.
The Lotus Elise is a 4-banger that can outdo pretty much any V6 out there. Of course, the whole vehicle weighs about as much as one MO wheel, but that's beside the point! :2: |
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| Gonzo |
quote:
Originally posted by 06murano
i agree that the mo doesn't have a lag when you're not using the full potential. but next time when you're on the hwy, punch it all the way (petal to the metal) and you'll see the lag i'm talking about. first you'll hear the engine reving up, then the car decides to go. on mine it's almost a second delay.
Try stepping on it slower..... |
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