| crash |
Hi,
The car connection has posted some shots of the 2009 Murano (heavy camo).
At first I thought it was a Quashi / Rogue - but there is one there where the Quashi is right next to Mo 09...the Mo looks bigger - so I'm leaning towards it being the real deal. Here is the link:
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Ent...178.A12454.html
A few observations....
1) Picture 3 has the front hood open, with what looks to be no engine?!
2) Pic 3&4 show a pretty agressive slope on the rear hatch...weird.
3) There are pics of people in the car...therefore based upon proportions - IMO it looks smaller then the current model...
Thoughts? |
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| mgthe3 |
That thing is F%^&*&^ hideous!
FUGLY, yeah, that's the word. |
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| Sharlin |
not impressed.
looks like the small window at the tail is gone. Definitely do NOT like the back end. Reminds me of older truck based suvs |
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| crash |
I'm not sure how final this thing is...what with missing an engine and all :D
I think it looks like the front grill is in tack (vs the butt ugly Rogue front end)...I'm having trouble envisioning the rear - are they going for the "dodge caliber" utility hatch/trunk approach? Maybe there are two versions?!
The good news is that we're (if these are true) begining to see spy shots - which means, we'll begin to see more of them in the near future.... |
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| bob1 |
How can our MO's look so good and that new one so bad.
Should answer the question if you'd buy another MO.
Not if it looks like that!:eek:
Bob1 |
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| njjoe |
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I prefer to believe the latter.
-njjoe |
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| I-285MURANO |
quote:
Originally posted by mgthe3
That thing is F%^&*&^ hideous!
FUGLY, yeah, that's the word.
I totally agree with you! That thing is FUGLY!! It is very tubby and short, appears to be manufactured by Hyundai/Kia. I dont see any Nissan qualities; as a matter of fact, the Quashi looks better. |
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| Eric L. |
I find it hard to believe thats the next Murano. The only thing Murano about it is maybe the grille. The car in the picture is also a right hand drive with the gas cap on the right side, so its not even a US market vehicle.
The pumpkin coach rear end is a hallmark of the current Murano, I'd be kind of sad if they abandoned it for the generic Rogue/RX/Santa Fe/GM Lambda, etc... styling. |
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| Stoker |
| Well if it is the 2009 Mo, I guess the value of ours just went up by 10%. I do not like what I can see, however it would be nice to see pics with out the covers. It's like looking at a clothed Playmate of the month.:8: |
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| charliedigital |
| just going by the basic shape, it seems to look more mainstream, like the Lexus RX. I'm not going to overreact yet, but the unique design is one of the thing that drew me to the Murano. |
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| Sharlin |
quote:
Originally posted by charliedigital
just going by the basic shape, it seems to look more mainstream, like the Lexus RX. I'm not going to overreact yet, but the unique design is one of the thing that drew me to the Murano.
Now I know where I have been seeing that tail, it is very much like the RX you mentioned...
well if they can get up to Lexus quality then it won't be too bad. :) |
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| shelland |
| They moved the steering wheel! ;) |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by shelland
They moved the steering wheel! ;)
Yeah, but knowing Nissan they probably kept the gas and brake pedals on the left-side. :2:
-njjoe |
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| andybee |
| this looks a little like its heavily based off the Renault Koleos concept from a few years ago. It looks too small for a Murano. Maybe its a Renault or Samsung (or Dacia) product |
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| htown_gator |
| Wow... how many pics of the Rogue can we see on here mistaken for the new MO? Honest to God. |
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| HuskyFan |
| These photos look like it could be the new Murano, similar wheels, gas cap, door handles and grill. It looks like the headlights and taillights are horizontal like the Santa Fe. The rear side window looks to be more conventional without the upsweep. The rear looks like the Tribeca in the tailgate area. |
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| BugAHoo |
Honestly, it looks to me like the wrapped car and the unwrapped car are the same model. Maybe the wrapped one is a newer model of the unwrapped one?
I just don't see how that could be a new Mo... it makes no sense that it would get smaller with the Rogue joining the ranks. If anything, I would expect it to maybe get a little bigger have a third row squeezed in (hope they don't though!). |
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| Papermaker |
| What is the vehicle in Pic 4? They have the same wheels and the fuel door is on the same side. Steering wheel is on the opposite though. The indentations looke to be in the same area on the front as the covered one. What do you think? |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Papermaker
What is the vehicle in Pic 4? They have the same wheels and the fuel door is on the same side. Steering wheel is on the opposite though. The indentations looke to be in the same area on the front as the covered one. What do you think?
The uncovered vehicle is slightly smaller than the covered one. I'd say the uncovered one is a Qashqai and the covered one is a right hand drive Rogue. Its not a MO. |
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| njjoe |
| You guys are wrong once again. I know a guy who knows this chick who is a friend of a guy who cuts the lawn of the guy who works at the McDonalds where the test driver of the all-new 2009 MO went for a Big Mac last week. Here's the photo... |
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| risaralda |
| I'll buy it:ucrazy: |
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| Eric L. |
Argh!!! Room for a third row!! :3: :3: :3:
Good one Joe :D :D :D |
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| andybee |
quote:
Originally posted by htown_gator
Wow... how many pics of the Rogue can we see on here mistaken for the new MO? Honest to God.
that isn't a Rogue. Look at the door shapes, the rear tailgate class and the roof line. All different to the Rouge. it does have the character swage line of the Rouge, Quashqai and even the Mo. The rear side window is also different to the Rogue, although I suspect thats disguise, there is enough depth there to indicate that its final sheet metal/glass
I still think its a dervitive for Renault, based on the Kaloss. Its not a Quashqai and its not a Rogue |
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| crash |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
You guys are wrong once again. I know a guy who knows this chick who is a friend of a guy who cuts the lawn of the guy who works at the McDonalds where the test driver of the all-new 2009 MO went for a Big Mac last week. Here's the photo...
Seriously guy - it's pretty darn obvious that this is a Rogue. JEEZ. |
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| andybee |
quote:
Originally posted by crash
Seriously guy - it's pretty darn obvious that this is a Rogue. JEEZ.
seriously guys, it isn't. read my post. I've worked on mule cars before when I was in the car industry. Camo can only cover up certain things. Its not a Rogue.
Still think its something else. |
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| andybee |
quote:
Originally posted by N2MURANOS
Here you go.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphot...lt-koleos-spied
"ATTENTION: This is NOT the Nissan Murano, as previously reported. The car has a Renault badge on steering wheel and rear door and will be the French brother to the Nissan Qashqai."
ah beat me to it , see, no way was that a rouge:) |
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| crash |
quote:
Originally posted by andybee
seriously guys, it isn't. read my post. I've worked on mule cars before when I was in the car industry. Camo can only cover up certain things. Its not a Rogue.
Still think its something else.
I was joking Andy....I was replying to Njjoe and his "2009 Mo" image... |
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| khriss77 |
| Just called up Nissan and they confirm that they wont have a 2008 Murano but a 2009 Murano and it will go out on sale February 15 2008. It will have Push star, Bluetooth and Laser cruise control. |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by khriss77
Just called up Nissan and they confirm that they wont have a 2008 Murano but a 2009 Murano and it will go out on sale February 15 2008. It will have Push star, Bluetooth and Laser cruise control.
I thought the current MO already has push start. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by khriss77
Just called up Nissan and they confirm that they wont have a 2008 Murano but a 2009 Murano and it will go out on sale February 15 2008. It will have Push star, Bluetooth and Laser cruise control.
Who did you call? Your local dealer? Nissan corporate?
-njjoe |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
I thought the current MO already has push start.
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It can have Intelligent Key, but not the push button ignition.
-njjoe |
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| khriss77 |
| I called 800-nissan6 and i also called my local dealer Koopel nissan in queens NY the same info and my sales man said it looks amazing. |
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| wchandler |
| 2009? Gee, I'm just hoping I make it Christmas! |
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| crash |
quote:
Originally posted by khriss77
I called 800-nissan6 and i also called my local dealer Koopel nissan in queens NY the same info and my sales man said it looks amazing.
My gut tells me that the sales guys at a dealership have NOT seen Mo. They are likely spinning some feel good vibes to get you to call back. If a reps has seen it - the pictures would be on the web.
The Altima coupe pictures were on the web WELL before this thing was even rumoured. |
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| HuskyFan |
| Car and Driver says the MO is due for a major makeover to be seen in November at the Los Angeles Auto Show. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by HuskyFan
Car and Driver says the MO is due for a major makeover to be seen in November at the Los Angeles Auto Show.
Did they hint at a release date?
-njjoe |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Did they hint at a release date?
-njjoe
Spring 2008. |
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| Kris |
What about CVT? Is it still there?
EX looks better every day....low, but not too low......engine...performance....could be a good substitute for G35.... |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
What about CVT? Is it still there?
EX looks better every day....low, but not too low......engine...performance....could be a good substitute for G35....
Seeing as how every Nissan car now has the CVT, the Murano will likely keep it as well, although it will have the supposedly newer CVT with the "sport programming" - not sure what that means but maybe someone who has driven a new V6 Altima can comment. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
Seeing as how every Nissan car now has the CVT, the Murano will likely keep it as well, although it will have the supposedly newer CVT with the "sport programming" - not sure what that means but maybe someone who has driven a new V6 Altima can comment.
Still $6k to repair.....:( |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
Still $6k to repair.....:(
Probably, but without more CVTs on the road, their repair cost will not come down. A catch-22 really. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
Probably, but without more CVTs on the road, their repair cost will not come down. A catch-22 really.
Repair costs will not come down unless other repair facilities (i.e. AAMCO, Cottman, etc.) begin to service and overhaul the CVT. And that will not happen unless Nissan allows JATCO to provide parts, procedures, and specs to those facilities.
Nissan is holding us over a barrel. They enjoy a monopoly on the repair of CVTs and have shown no signs of relinquishing their stranglehold.
Nissan's creativity brought me into the Nissan family, and their customer service will drive me away.
-njjoe |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Repair costs will not come down unless other repair facilities (i.e. AAMCO, Cottman, etc.) begin to service and overhaul the CVT. And that will not happen unless Nissan allows JATCO to provide parts, procedures, and specs to those facilities.
Nissan is holding us over a barrel. They enjoy a monopoly on the repair of CVTs and have shown no signs of relinquishing their stranglehold.
Nissan's creativity brought me into the Nissan family, and their customer service will drive me away.
-njjoe
Joe,
unfortunately you are right. Though I may stay with infiniti brand. However, no more CVT for me. My goal was to keep Murano for at least 2 - 3 more years. No more. The risk of CVT failing is just to great for me. There are other alternatives. Nissan needs to learn customer service. |
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| Eric L. |
| To be fair, the CVT has not been unreliable at all. Its just that when it goes, its quite expensive to repair/replace. The way the conversation is going on here, it makes it seem like CVTs are failing left and right, which simply isn't true. This forum has been around almost 5 years and to date, I've only heard of perhaps a couple dozen CVT failures out of probably 300,000 Muranos on the road today. And half of those were due to a trashed transfer case. Yeah a website isn't a good sample, but if the CVT were a ticking timebomb, we'd know about it by now as 5 year old vehicles roll up to 80,000-100,000 miles. |
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| njjoe |
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I think most of us agree the CVT is just as reliable as a conventional automatic tranny. Our concerns and complaints center on Nissan's decision to swap out the entire unit when the problem could be a simple $50 part.
-njjoe |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
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I think most of us agree the CVT is just as reliable as a conventional automatic tranny. Our concerns and complaints center on Nissan's decision to swap out the entire unit when the problem could be a simple $50 part.
-njjoe
To be honest even if there was a repair procedure I'm not sure I would trust the average Nissan $tealer to get the repair correct anyways. In the end, the transmission $$$ issue, while unfortunately, will likely only affect a very small percentage of Murano owners so from a business standpoint I can understand why Nissan corporate would not care whether the repair is cheap or expensive (not that I agree with it). It is one of the most advanced transmissions out there, so it should be expected that it is also costly to repair. 20 years ago ABS brakes were a $2000 option and likely cost nearly that much to repair as well.
But yeah if given the choice, everyone would rather have a cheap repair procedure than a costly one. |
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| Gonzo |
| Spring 2008 are they breaking their late year introductions? |
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| crash |
Knock on wood - but my CVT has worked fine. I actually really like it.
However, I do agree that Nissan customer service honks on bobo. Their lack of service will be the reason I likely won't buy a Nissan vehicle again.
Simply put, you can't trust their service department - and I've had this problem beyond Mo - so it isn't the rig I'm driving.
I blame myself for trusting them - and not researching what they were saying before approving service.
A great recent example of this is that one of their locations suggested that I should replace the timing belt on the Murano - and cited about $1K to do so. Let that sink in for a bit. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by crash
A great recent example of this is that one of their locations suggested that I should replace the timing belt on the Murano - and cited about $1K to do so. Let that sink in for a bit.
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Nissan Customer Service - a true oxymoron
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| crash |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
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Nissan Customer Service - a true oxymoron
-njjoe
Just to be clear - I DID NOT have their service completed for obvious reasons. |
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| crashdump |
there will be a 2008 murano and we are supposed to be seeing them january or february..
I work at the nissan port of entry for muranos and 350z.
we are getting a load of rouges in a week which is a new model for us |
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| njjoe |
crashdump-
Anything more specific?
-njjoe |
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| crashdump |
what I know so far about the 08's is that the rear bumper cover is either changing or just offering a new style. we are going to be putting stick on bumper covers on the 08s so that tells me that not all will have that chrome one. the trailer hitch is going to be 100% dealer installed now. we used to do those.hmmm there was talk about a factory installed ground effects kit but last I heard Nissan nixxed that due to bad fit finish.
the place where I work is not a dealer or Nissan owned althought we used to be.
we are the first stop once the cars enter the U.S.A. we do some of the accessories and get them trucked to the dealers and handle any logistics.
I always see new cars One to two weeks before dealers. and have inside info right from Nissan.
If i hear more I will post it. |
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| hfelknor |
That's a bad miss by Nissan.
Didn't they know that the world planned on celebrating a 2008? Right after 2007? Or did it catch them by surprise?
It will cost them.
Their competitors aren't waiting.
People won't buy (in large numbers) a 2007 Murano in 2008........against 2008 Acuras, Lexii, Toyotas, etc
It would also seem to be a huge re engineering.
That could be good or bad. :D
Sounds to me like a repositioning of the car.
Could be a 3 row job coming.
OR it is not such a big change..........and they just flat blew it. :rolleyes:
Which will it be?
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| njjoe |
It could be good news for people looking to buy a MO. I would think Nissan is going to have to resort to deep discounts and/or rebates to sell a "new" 2007 model once 2008 rolls in. Who wants to pay full price for a "year-old" new car?
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| crashdump |
the only year old cars will be the ones siting at dealers for a year. the 07 muranos we have on our lot waiting to go to dealers were built less then 2 months ago. the 08s are probably ready for production. I know this because it takes almost 3-4 weeks for a ship to get them from japan to the east coast usa. we were told that we are getting 08 muranos in january or feb. that means they will be built in nov or december. by that time most of the 07 cars will be gone.
not all car manufacturers put out new models in the middle of the year. Nissan does with certain models. altimas and titans etc. It could be something to do with the fiscal year. in the U.S.A its the end of the year for most people. In japan its in march. all I know is since I have been working there we always got new model muranos towards end of the year. |
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| hfelknor |
You are definitely a Nissan employee.
Homer |
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| Kris |
To be honest I do not care about Murano 2008, 2009 etc.
I think I am done with this car.
I am looking for something else.
In 8 months time.
I just hope Nissan is not going to screw up a nice car. What they need is to refine it, improve service and put "classic" 5-speed tranny. Maybe it would win me back. But not 3rd raw! |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
What they need is to refine it, improve service and put "classic" 5-speed tranny.
Refine it? Sure, that is possible. I am sure Nissan will add more creature comforts, push-button start, a better sound system, and improved ergonomics.
Improve service? Not likely. The dealers are firmly entrenched in their ways. They don't acknowledge that there are any issues so they probably see no need to change.
Offer "classic" 5-speed tranny? Never happen. The US-spec MO was introduced with the CVT and will die with it.
Third-row seat? It's a distinct possibility, but I hope not.
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| crashdump |
no i don't work for Nissan. I work for a company that handles vehicle processing for Nissan. what I do is paint and body work on brand new Nissan product. I just have alot of inside info. things like the quest production will be going back to japan. it is currently being built in the states. I knew about the rouge around a year ago. I know there will be a 2008 murano. why people think they will skip it and release a 2009 I have no idea. why would Nissan do that. also the 2008 isn't going to be exactly the same as 2007. I bet for one it will probably have touchscreens instead of the 06 07 screens. anything new you see on altima will probably be on the new mo. phone systems etc.
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| Enforcer |
Clearly there is concern over the CVT, after all we successfully hijacked another thread to talk about it. :D
I had a grand prix many moon ago that the tranny went out in and that was the first automatic tranny I rebuilt. My uncle was a transmission mechanic and helped me with it. I remember it was a metric turbohydromatic something or other and at his advice I went to the junkyard got a turbohydromatic 250 I think it was and rebuilt it and added a shift kit and a lower rpm torque converter. I think I had spent like $500 in parts.
My best friend had an Aerostar several years back. He put three transmissions in that thing within 2 years. I forget all the details but we did the last one. I remember jokingly telling him we should install it with velcro. One of the times was a total dealer job, I think the first one. By the end he had spent about 5 grand in transmission work.
A little after that I rebuilt the manual transmission in one of my 280s. All it needed was bearings and synchros. It had about 150k miles. What was interesting is I pulled the tranny took it to a transmission shop and they wouldn't rebuild it. They wanted to pull it, rebuild it and reinstall it with an estimate of $1500. Needless to say I was miffed. So I rebuilt it for about $500 and my best friends kid has been driving it ever since with no tranmission problems.
And over the years I've talked with many co-workers that have had transmission problems on various models and makes.
So here are the things I think I have learned. As time goes on the cost of transmission work has been increasing. Poor design or transmission problems aren't relegated to one manufacturer. If you want it done right do it yourself. But, as time goes on the options for this have been decreasing, and so has my desire.
Now enters the CVT. From what I have seen and read and experienced, the CVT is not a bad design like the Aerostar or metric examples which were known pee-poor designs. I would not trust transmission shops or the dealer to work on the CVT unless they made significant investments in equipment and training which I doubt seriously they will do at this time. And for the same reasons, I wouldn't attempt it myself either, even if parts were available.
So the fact that there are little or no options for alternatives to the factory built/rebuild and dealer install is expected. The investment in equipment and training has to be offset by the potential for profit. As more and more CVTs enter the US market, remember they have been in other parts of the world for a long time, then it will start making business sense for companies to make that investment. My personal assessment is we are a long way from that albeit moving closer.
So the best advice as many have said is to maintain a warranty as long as you intend to keep the vehicle. You have to weigh the cost of warranty in your decision to buy, keep or replace.
That is to say if on your initial purchase you are looking at keeping a vehicle beyond the standard warranty and not buying an extended warranty, then a CVT equipped vehicle may not be for you. If you are looking at buying a used vehicle without a warranty, then a CVT equipped vehicle may not be for you.
I think it is interresting to note that you may be able to say that about the MO and other vehicles irrespective of a CVT.
I think it is also interesting to note that many decide the cost of warranty is worth the benefits of a CVT.
We spend a lot of time focusing on the CVT here. Partly I believe because it is relatively new to us in a mainstream automobile and partly because we're tech junkies and partly because its the nature of a make specific forum.
It is a natural phenomenon of these forums to mostly attract three basic types of interested people. There are those that are opined avid fans, those that are miffed with a problem, and those looking for info before buying. You fit in the latter category and poll or no, from the posts I have seen, unfortunately the minority.
I fit in the first category. I'm currently on my second one because some knothead knocked the first one out from under me. I wouldn't trade my beloved MO for anything. But the first time it gives me any problems whatsoever I may jump instantly to the second category. ;D
So kudos to you for asking. Don't let the diatribe on the CVT frighten you. Just know that we highly recommend maintaining a warranty as long as you own the MO. And yes Nissan dealers as with many other makes are notorious. :) |
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| crash |
njjoe - Nissan has unofficially confirmed no 3rd row.
I happen to like the CVT and hope they stay with it. Certainly there are improvent opps - but they won't abandon it. It helps out fuel economy too much. |
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| nissanlove |
| i've driven the new altima's which have the newer CVT in them and the feel ALOT more responsive than our murano's CVT so i think the cvt is going in the right direction. |
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| dalascby |
quote:
Originally posted by crashdump
no i don't work for Nissan. I work for a company that handles vehicle processing for Nissan. what I do is paint and body work on brand new Nissan product. I just have alot of inside info. things like the quest production will be going back to japan. it is currently being built in the states. I knew about the rouge around a year ago. I know there will be a 2008 murano. why people think they will skip it and release a 2009 I have no idea. why would Nissan do that. also the 2008 isn't going to be exactly the same as 2007. I bet for one it will probably have touchscreens instead of the 06 07 screens. anything new you see on altima will probably be on the new mo. phone systems etc.
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I spoke to the GM at my local Nissan dealer, who is also an old friend since our little league days (gave me a great deal on my MO)...he confirmed that there will be no 2008 Murano, Nissan will go straight to a 2009.....to be released in the spring. |
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| nissanlove |
quote:
Originally posted by dalascby
I spoke to the GM at my local Nissan dealer, who is also an old friend since our little league days (gave me a great deal on my MO)...he confirmed that there will be no 2008 Murano, Nissan will go straight to a 2009.....to be released in the spring.
that's what i've said and heard as well. |
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| crashdump |
okay when we get em in and the monroney says 2008 murano yall owe me 5 bucks each haha.
im hoping this isnt just a case where peeps consider it a 2009 if its built in 2008. thats how the murano has always been done. they dont put em out a year early like some other car manufacturers.
also find it odd we are getting parts for the new murano and they are labeling it for the 2008 murano. I havent heard crap about a 2009.
we will see |
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| crash |
| I'm still shocked there aren't any spy photo's of the new Mo out there yet. Funny how they "strategically" release their spy shots eh? |
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| biggun |
The new Car and Driver indicates that the Murano will get a total? complete? makeover for 08, which will be released in November. Does that mean new design or improvements to old - who knows?
Leave it to the editors at C&R to leave you scratching your head after reading it. |
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| njjoe |
So, let me get this straight, we either will or won't have a 2008 MO that either will or won't be released this year. :8: Did I get that right? :confused:
-njjoe |
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| biggun |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
So, let me get this straight, we either will or won't have a 2008 MO that either will or won't be released this year. :8: Did I get that right? :confused:
-njjoe
Exactly! I can't make it any clearer.:rolleyes: |
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| Eric L. |
| My understanding is that Nissan is jumping right from the 07 to the 09 MO, since the new model is coming out in the spring. That would make an 08 model redundant as it would be only sold for a few months before beign replaced. |
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| njjoe |
So Nissan-Corporate expects US dealers to sell 2007 MOs in winter 2008? Fat chance. That is going to be a hard sell without deep discounts and/or rebates.
-njjoe |
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| crashdump |
lol this crap keeps getting funnier and funnier. I checked again today and keep in mind the dealers get there cars from us!!
we are supposed to get 2008 muranos this january and yes they have been delayed. we normally get them in the fall. why they are late I dont know but maybe it has to do with the earthquakes they had in Japan or possibly just last minute changes.
I will keep asking. next week we have a guy from nissan coming to show us how to do a port mod on the rouges. he will know for sure.
as far as im concerned nissan dealers arent really nissan employees and they dont know as much as people who actually work for Nissan. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by crashdump
as far as im concerned nissan dealers arent really nissan employees and they dont know as much as people who actually work for Nissan.
crashdump-
As far fetched as that may sound, I think it makes perfect sense.
State-side employees are tasked with buying and selling the end-product and have virtually zero input on other aspects of the operation.
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by njjoe
So Nissan-Corporate expects US dealers to sell 2007 MOs in winter 2008? Fat chance. That is going to be a hard sell without deep discounts and/or rebates.
-njjoe
No.
The 2009 Murano will come out in Spring 2008 - thats the way most models work - they are named for the year after they are released. Occasionally you will get a ".5" model such as a 2001.5 Passat. |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
No.
The 2009 Murano will come out in Spring 2008 - thats the way most models work - they are named for the year after they are released. Occasionally you will get a ".5" model such as a 2001.5 Passat.
Eric-
No??
If the 2009 MOs come out in the Spring of 2008, what will the dealers be selling during January, February, and March of 2008?? Obviously the answer is - the current 2007 MO. Which is why I stated it will be a tough sell.
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| Kris |
My predictions:
New, redesigned Murano will have 3rd raw to better compete with Hondas, Toyotas etc.
The “smaller” CUV will be covered by Nissan Rouge.
Same will happen to the FX – it will grow and get 3rd raw.
EX will cover the “smaller”, luxury CUV market segment.
For those who really enjoyed the original Murano and FX there are two option – stick to what they already have or move on…
Just m 2C……… |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by njjoe
Eric-
No??
If the 2009 MOs come out in the Spring of 2008, what will the dealers be selling during January, February, and March of 2008?? Obviously the answer is - the current 2007 MO. Which is why I stated it will be a tough sell.
-njjoe
I forgot, coming from California, where we have one season, 70F every day, that in other parts of the country, Winter is Jan-March. I always thought it was Nov-Dec, but thats only because Christmas displays often depicted snow! :D |
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| hfelknor |
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Originally posted by Eric L.
I forgot, coming from California, where we have one season, 70F every day.......:D
You wish.
Thot I saw where CA got a bit warmer than that recently........... ;)
"what will the dealers be selling during January, February, and March of 2008?? Obviously the answer is - the current 2007 MO"
I had earlier pointed this out to crashdump, but he maintains ......well I don't know what he maintains, but if Nissan has to sell 2007 Muranos against 2008 competition, IN THE PHYSICAL YEAR 2008, they will get creamed.
Nissan is really not a very good automobile company.
They would have to change nearly the entire culture to match Honda or Toyota.
Murano has been selling very well actually.
They would have been better advised to come out with a 2008 with a few token changes, kept refining the 2009 and installing AND TESTING the big changes that MUST be coming.
Their R&D investment on the 2008 would have been minimal and they could have brought the 2009 out in Sept 2008, beating the pants off the competition.
OR they could have done all this in the last year and been ready for a Dec 2007 intro of the all new 2008, complete with FOUR rows of seating, a 13 speed CVT (SE Only) , perhaps even an iPod input and possibly (Not likely,mind you) a sun roof that opened all the way!
But then, what do I know.
They are obvious masters of Marketing. Not.
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| njjoe |
Homer, I agree. Unless we are just not seeing the bigger picture, it looks like Nissan will really drop the ball on this one if they have no 2008 (or 2009) MOs to sell until the second-quarter of the new year. What kind of marketing is that? It's like Nissan-Corporate doesn't care, and that just can't be the case. Maybe crashdump is right and the magazines and dealers are wrong, and the new MO will surface in time for January sales. That's late but not too late.
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| crashdump |
| 2008 WITH MINOR CHANGES IN JANUARY!!!! LAST TIME IM SAYING IT |
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| Kris |
I am pretty sure Nissan is not going to make any significant changes to the Murano for the 2008 model. They are working on real replacement/update. See my post above.
Is it smart move? Not for me as I think Murano has perfect size. But it is not important. Important is what market wants! And we guys on this board are minority. Look what Honda, Toyota and others are doing. Nissan has to follow. Pity as a few years ago Nissan was the leader with Murano and FX. Then again based on new G35, G37C and M35 - Nissan seems to be doing great job upgrading their cars. Murano should be no difference. And it does not really matter it comes in December or January. It still be almost same model - 2003! The real one will come, 2009. And I am afraid will be "bigger and ...." so it will not be for me and many of us on this board... |
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| Eric L. |
| As much as I think the MO is the perfect size right now, I have to echo Kris' comment that the next version will likely have a third row to cater to a broader audience. In the end, whether it does or doesn't have it, it will still be interesting to see what the changes will be. |
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| hfelknor |
I can only hope that CrashDump is right.
Does beg the question tho........if there are only "minor changes".......why the delay?
Did they just screw the pooch?
Wouldn't surprise me of course.
But I almost have to believe that there will be at least ONE major change that is costing the extra time.
And if they indeed get the 2008 out by say, Jan 15, it won't hurt them Tooooooo badly.
Like the rest of the guys, I believe that the Murano is ready for a major upgrade.
Simply because the car is getting long in the tooth.
Some things they need to do NOW:
VDC standard on ALL Muranos.
MP3 input to amp.
Things that MIGHT make it now......
A choice of different size wheels
A different transmission!
(Note that on the Nissan page, in "build ur own", there is a page to select your transmission. Your choice currently out of list of 1.)
Things that WON'T make it now
A change of dimensions.
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| crashdump |
when the nissan guy comes tomrrow all your answers will be given..
this isnt some smuck working at a dealer. this is guy that visits all the different factories and ports doing what we call port mods. he shows us how to do it and then leaves. they are last minute fixes on problems they discover after the vehicle leaves the factory. last line of defense before vehicle gets to dealer and is sold. anyways this guy will know for sure what is up with the murano. he is high tier nissan. not joe smo working at the dealership. |
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| Kris |
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Originally posted by hfelknor
A different transmission!
(Note that on the Nissan page, in "build ur own", there is a page to select your transmission. Your choice currently out of list of 1.)
Homer
Murano has always been available with "normal" auto tranny in South America. So it should not be such a problem to sell them here as well.....then again Nissan is committed to the CVT. For better or worse.....Audi dropped it so did Ford.....will see how Nissan fares long term.... |
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| nissanlove |
| i'm standing firm on the belief that the next gen MO will not have a thrid row seat(kris, the rouge is made to compete with the rav4 and honda crv so the murano still has it's crossover niche to compete in ex the for edge, cx-7: it'll stay out of the large crossover market IMO ex, honda pilot, mazda cx-9 etc...) and i'm standing firm on the fact that there will not be any 2008's... we've been receiving nothing but 08 inventory lately and guess what, all the mo's that have been comming in are 07's... |
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| o6murano |
"As announced by Nissan in a press release, The 2008 Murano will have a complete restyling both inside and out. It will be shown at the Los Angeles Auto Show in November and go on sale in Feb.08 "
I copied that from some other forum but hmmm |
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| crashdump |
update!
talked to the guy from nissan today he said major changes on the new model. will be very different looking but he hasnt seen it. still due out on january. dont know if it will be dubbed an 08 or 09 but all the info we have so far call it an 08.
butone thingfor sure it will ne different. ill try to get more info on specifics.
yea i know this has all been said already |
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| crash |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
My predictions:
New, redesigned Murano will have 3rd raw to better compete with Hondas, Toyotas etc.
The “smaller” CUV will be covered by Nissan Rouge.
Same will happen to the FX – it will grow and get 3rd raw.
EX will cover the “smaller”, luxury CUV market segment.
For those who really enjoyed the original Murano and FX there are two option – stick to what they already have or move on…
Just m 2C………
Kris, Nissan has pretty much confirmed no 3rd row. |
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| hfelknor |
"Kris, Nissan has pretty much confirmed no 3rd row."
Not exactly sure what "pretty much"means, but can you point us to some documentation of this?
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| crash |
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Originally posted by hfelknor
"Kris, Nissan has pretty much confirmed no 3rd row."
Not exactly sure what "pretty much"means, but can you point us to some documentation of this?
Homer
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Aut...173.A13246.html
I'd posted this a while ago...good news!! |
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| hfelknor |
Ah cool.
Nov 16 is the start of the show.....
And here is an old report....
Japan Report: Ghosn Charts Nissan’s Outlook, Teases New Murano
Filed Under: Earnings/Financials, Trends, L.A. Auto Show, Nissan, Future Vehicles, Automotive News May 2nd, 2007 4:14 PM 2 Comments
Carlos Ghosn stood up in Tokyo last week and had something different to tell the assembled media. The first dip in profits (for 2006-07) since ‘Le Ice Breaker’ famously engineered Nissan’s comeback from near bankruptcy in 1999.
Nissan’s now pushing back its mid-term goal of selling a record 4.2 million units by a year to March 2009, but despite the apparent gloom, bear in mind that Nissan’s still a handsomely profitable operation, posting a group net profit of $3.94 billion, with an operating profit of $6.64 billion. If this is “crisis,” then there are companies around that would just love to be suffering this way…
Product, of the lack of it, was one of the reasons behind the performance fall-off over the past year. But now Nissan’s coming out swinging. Besides the Altima Coupe, Rogue, Infiniti G37 coupe and EX in the US, Nissan will also launch a new Murano and the iconic GT-R super coupe before the next business year kicks off in April 2008.
From there, over the following three years, Nissan’s promising to introduce more than 33 new products, an average of nearly one new product every month around the globe.
Oh, yes–Nissan flashed up a teaser pic of the new Murano - imagine a sleeker, sharper version of the current very stylish SUV - which could debut at the next Los Angeles Auto Show. |
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| Kris |
It always comes back to the same - quality products that consumers want to buy.....there is no other way.....
I have to admit that Nissan/Infiniti have done very good job developing and introducing new products....I am sure this time around will be no different.....sad the service stinks.....Infiniti is much better though....service I mean.... |
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| nissanlove |
| infiniti service isn't always that much better.. i know because i work for both nissan and infiniti. i find that infiniti customers can be more arrogant, ignorant, demanding, anal and overall a bigger pain in the rear...the customers attitude trickles down to the technicians since we tend to get tagged for things the customers think may have been done to the vehicle by us. the other day, i was doing an oil change on on a 3500km old g35 sedan. long story short, the owner had gotten clipped before comming in for service and had unfortunatly noticed it after i had parked it in the lot and returned her the keys... so unknowingly she blamed it on me and still is and has tried to get me fired because of it.(our dealership is fixing the problem by having her bumper overhauled) i've worked on nothing but heat scores since then.... life it tough as a technician apprentice. |
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| Kris |
nissanlove
I feel sorry for you. But it is the service adviser who should be blamed for that. He should have noticed the "ding" and recorded on the service report or what ever you call it.
I agree with you on the Infiniti owners.......not all of them though...;) |
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| nissanlove |
| ohhh yes, the SA's can be pretty brutal.... |
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