| Snowride |
Have you tried one? Pretty amazing. Slightly bigger than the Murano and definately much better materials on the inside. Reeks of quality. The top of the line Limited comes in about $2500 less than a fully loaded SE minus Navi but has many extra features which the Murano does not have. Electric rear hatch, Rear DVD entertainment sytem, seperate rear controls for heat/AC with vents in the ceiling and side pillars, Blue mood lighting everywhere, even the door sill wording "Veracruz" is back lit not to mention every button on the dash and steering column, Rear seat is adjustable by 5 " for and aft, chromatic side mirrors, puddle lights, Chilled beverage compartment, 110v inverter plug in the rear, just to mention a few. This suv is dead quiet at all speeds. Acceleration is on par with the Murano. There is a set of third row seats which are actually quiet comfortable and you do not even know they are there when folded away. Their bumper to bumper standard warranty exceeds the one I had to pay an additional $1300 for on the Murano. The 10 speaker, 6cd,mp3, ipod,Infinity, 605 watt sound system puts the premium Bose system to shame and it comes with XM installed and 3 month subscription. Milage is similar to the Murano. The six speed Aisin auto tranny is the smoothest conventional tranny I have ever tried and rivals that of the CVT. I do not believe everything written in magazines but the front cover of Motor trend is quite the shocker. http://hyundaimotors.com/images/ass...le728_15692.pdf
Only thing negative I can say about it is it does not have the "flair/gorgeous lines" of the Murano when you observe it from the outside where it is rather bland and not very exciting but once inside, it's got the Murano beat.
Gonna give this one a second look for a possibility of my Murano replacement. :eek: |
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| sobamanismo |
I too saw that article and while not shocked given Hyundai's leaps and bounds of late was still a little surprised when they admitted it won out over the RX.
My memories of the '88 Excel are quickly fading and I admit to planning on at the very least shopping Hyundai at our next purchase time. |
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| Eric L. |
| I read that article too - very impressive that it beat out the RX350 in that comparo! |
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| craigster |
Yes, I have driven one.
I have also driven the CX9 and the RX350. I would disagree that it is as quick as my Murano - but not bad - and it is a nice ride with lots of "stuff". This is clearly Hyundai's mission: to create top notch product and value. I have an '06 Sonata (the new look one) and it is now 18 months with ZERO defects!!! Too bad the Veracruz doesn't have Nav but otherwise, I liked it best of the 3 (the CX9 is also very nice)
On the other hand, the Murano is a 5+ year old design and execution and still is pretty nice - and comparable. Try that with many other vehicles. |
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| Snowride |
| I agree it does not "feel" like it's as fast as the Murano but the Motor Trend recorded 0-60 was 7.7 seconds which is similar to the MO if I'm not mistaken. Regardless, it's darn close. Will not argue about The MO being well ahead of it's time and a class leader but they really need to pull a rabbit out of their hat while keeping the pricing reasonable on the new model to really compete. i for one am very anxious to see what they got coming. |
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| GripperDon |
Value Movement
Germany > USA > Japan > Korea > China ?
Bang for the buck. |
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| sobamanismo |
| Sadly Gripper my personal list would bump the USA's offerings (as a whole) down to 2nd to last :( |
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| Eric L. |
| I think Grip is referring to chronological order, not ranking (right now Korean vehicles probably offer the best value). |
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| pob312 |
Time for a paradigm shift.
First one to develop a flying car that burns hydrogen wins. |
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| GripperDon |
| shift in bang for the buck with time. Moves with Labor rates and management intellegence and engineering prowess. |
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| GripperDon |
In engineering and design. Not cost but could have beat out the Germans at least. Plus with leadership in fuel economy lead in volume as well.
It was sickning to listen to the Detroit "We know everything about Everything" and in "Reality nothing about anything" Dumbasses pleasd for no increas in fuel economy standards. Well they got what they wanted thats why they are having to offer 0% financing and can't offer 10 year 100,000 milew bumper to bumper warranties like is close to what the Koreans do. |
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| pob312 |
| I recently learned from an Oldsmobile enthusiast that REO sold electric, steam and gas powered units in the 1890's. How far we've fallen behind!! |
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| Kris |
Just checked the article....I think it was a couple of months ago when I said "watch out for Hyndai, it is delivering not only value but also quality". Some people laughed as it is only "Hyundai".....guess who is going to have last laugh.....
Don,
you are right - arrogance leads to nothing but failure.... |
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| Snowride |
Took the jump today. Just too nice of a vehicle and the value factor is definately there. Fully loaded Veracruz with premium leather. :D Will post an honest non bias Murano comparison after I've got a little saddle time. Delivery is scheduled for next Thursday. Stay tuned:cool:
A few more goodies I found out about. Rain sensing wipers, De-icing feature on the front windshield wipers, (not that you Florida folks give a hoot:rolleyes: ) The door side panels and the third row seats are premium leather (normally this is imitation on most cars) One of my pet peeves on the MO was the worst designed wiper configuration I have ever seen. The Veracruz is an engineering work of art with those new hingeless wipers we are starting to see, and has no less than 4 washer nozzles per side.:p Telescoping steering and power pedals but then again the MO had the auto seat forward deal going for it. |
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| zebelkhan |
| Congratulations....! |
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| htown_gator |
| No navi option? I just haven't understood why Hyundai continues to do that on their SUV's. I think nowadays it is very important to have a navi, and preferably one with a HDD based system (nissan is moving towards that as Infiniti already has it on their sedans and SUV's). |
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| GripperDon |
There was a time when the gas station was called a service station
THe attendant cleaned your windows
Checked your fluids levels
Pumped in the Gas
And they supplied free maps
Also bad verbal directions if requested
NO that is all changed and ther are NO free maps and the person INSIDE doesn't hardly know how to get to work much less give bad directions.
SO GET INTO THE MODERN WORLD HYUNDI ! NAV is wanted and so is an Aux In.
I mean, Geeze man, get with it. :2: |
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| ekaxel |
Re: No NAV
Absolutely nothing wrong with AM NAV. And it costs a lot less too! |
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| pob312 |
quote:
Originally posted by GripperDon
There was a time when the gas station was called a service station
THe attendant cleaned your windows
Checked your fluids levels
Pumped in the Gas
And they supplied free maps
Also bad verbal directions if requested
I remember "gas wars".
Sunoco Regular Leaded 29.9...priceless. |
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| Snowride |
I have seen quite a few in different cars but the only one I really thought highly of was in a Prius in Europe. That thing was amazing to say the least. Now the one I saw in a fully loaded Honda CRV had the screen resoulution of a Timex Computer (remember those?) basically it sucked big time. In my case I would rather not pay the extra $2000 or so for the Nav option which is basically forced upon you in most cases when you opt for fully loaded. I tend to traval quite a bit throughout the world and my nuvi 370 with maps of North America and Europe built in are great. So many more features come with these units compared to the one's fixed to the dash. Translator, Currency Converter, bluetooth, got almost 2 gig of mp3's in there, look at downloaded photos and a search menu so easy to use I have yet to open a manual. Mark my words, these builtin units are gonna take a licking from the portables and are so easy to update via the PC. Use it all the time when I travel and stores nicely in a pocket. I figure I really don't need a unit in my personal car cause I do know how to get to the office and back home without directions:p but it does come in handy when I have to go somewhere out of the ordinary. If it would have come with Navi, I'd probably be $2000 short right now for something I really do not want. Murano has the right idea, as Navi is a stand alone option which either you get or don't. Smart thinking on Nissans behalf as all others I have seen you need to forgo the sunroof or heated seats or high end stereo or whatever if you don't take the Navi.
By the way, it does come with Aux In but only on the limited with rear DVD like I have. It's located in the rear console where the DVD players resides. :eek: For some weird reason, the Canadian model has LED tailights, not available in the US. :2: |
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| sobamanismo |
quote:
Originally posted by GripperDon
There was a time.....
You know, I've seen movies where they showed this, I thought they were kidding ;)
(it's VERY sad to me when I mention movies like "Back to the Future" and someone stares at me blankly like, "what the hell are you talking about") :D |
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| htown_gator |
quote:
Originally posted by ekaxel
Re: No NAV
Absolutely nothing wrong with AM NAV. And it costs a lot less too!
AM nav's generally look bad (colors don't match up right, lines are bad, etc.), and can cause bigtime headaches.
For the record, if you just want a little garman or something then that's fine, but I don't want stuff hanging all over my car. I'd rather have an in-dash unit, and even then an AM Nav will run you over $1000 or more not including install (which can be around $300 or so). Most AM navis don't have multiple CD units either, and sometimes will not work with the car audio that is already preinstalled or will seriously degrade performance.
It is almost always better go get a built in navi as it looks more impressive, is less of a headache, and right now is not that much more.
For the Murano the navi was like $1600 and it doesn't require you to eject the nav CD to play music CD's like most AM's do. |
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| brikhaus |
quote:
Originally posted by Snowride
I agree it does not "feel" like it's as fast as the Murano but the Motor Trend recorded 0-60 was 7.7 seconds which is similar to the MO if I'm not mistaken. Regardless, it's darn close. Will not argue about The MO being well ahead of it's time and a class leader but they really need to pull a rabbit out of their hat while keeping the pricing reasonable on the new model to really compete. i for one am very anxious to see what they got coming.
I see the Mo listed as 0-60 in 6.9 vs 7.7 for the Veracruz. Thats quite a bit faster. The Veracruz weights 4400 lbs vs My Mo's 3800. Thats 600 lbs. Sure if the 3rd row seat is your thing go for it. But no its not as fast as the Mo even with more power. |
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| Eric L. |
| In which mag is the MO listed as 6.9? I've seen it in the 7.5-8.0 range. |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by Eric L.
In which mag is the MO listed as 6.9? I've seen it in the 7.5-8.0 range.
I did run Murano at 7.8 sec and correcting for speedo error it really was very close to 7.5 sec. I do not believe Murano can do 0 - 60 in 6.9 sec. I mean with original specs... |
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| njjoe |
Consumer Reports tested a 2005 SL AWD and saw 8.0 seconds for the 0-60 mph run.
The quarter mile was run in 16.4 seconds with a trap speed of 86 mph.
They opened up the review by stating... "The Murano is one of the better and sportier car-based SUVs we've tested." That's a nice endorsement.
Faster than the Hyundai or not, the MO is a damn nice car.
-njjoe |
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| Kris |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
Faster than the Hyundai or not, the MO is a damn nice car.
-njjoe
And this is what counts....;) |
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| elliotgb |
Hey!
Every single car I owned since I got married way back in the early 80's came with a Nav system; my wife. Turn left here, turn right there, you're going the wrong way, etc. lol |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by elliotgb
Hey!
Every single car I owned since I got married way back in the early 80's came with a Nav system; my wife. Turn left here, turn right there, you're going the wrong way, etc. lol
Modern NAV systems now have a MUTE button. I am sure there were times you wish you had one. :2:
-njjoe |
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| Snowride |
| Tell me about it. My Girlfriend (new upgraded model) argues that the Nav is wrong and she knows a better route all the time. :D Being proven she is wrong most of the time, she is slowly defaulting to the mute function. See how important that nav feature really is. :2: |
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| Kris |
Common guys, be careful. We are going to be accused for............sexism!...;)
I love how this discussion has turned out. At least since I have the NAV system I do not have to prove anything...........this thing does it for me.......:D |
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| njjoe |
I think 6.9 seconds is overly optimistic.
We all know the MO is not a rocket when leaving the starting line. In fact, she is a bit sluggish for the first second or two.
I am sure a 3.5-liter MO with a 5-speed manual could easily do 6.9. I just don't think it is possible with the CVT.
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| Kris |
FX35 AWD with 280 HP, 400 lb heavier, 5speed auto does it in 7.3 sec. I know, I checked it out.
FWD murano with the same engine as FX and 5-speed aouto tranny is likely to go sub-7sec. But not stock Murano woith CVT........ |
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| Snowride |
| Those figures are nothing more than a pipe dream. If you believe those then then you must believe the Veracruz posted on the same page as 6.8. That puts it faster than the Murano. :D |
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| brikhaus |
Maybe those were taken downhill in a hurricane? Or maybe they were using a stock Mo shifting gears with an SE Tiptonic style or in the "S" mode? After reading a few more reviews I agree 6.9 is a little too optimistic, it was just the first thing that came up in the Google search. I wanted to believe it sooooo badly. :)
I also read something about the sluggishness of the Mo. Apparently the CVT "lowest gear" is higher than what other cars have. I guess that was an issue the CVT has. I heard they increased the range in the newer version so maybe it has a bottom end now? Still wouldnt trade the CVT I just hope it doesn't affect its towing ability. |
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| ekaxel |
| There ARE better drag racers out there! |
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| Snowride |
Only had about a couple of weeks in the saddle of the Veracruz but here's what I got so far.
I had a 2004 Murano, loaded minus navi which I traded in after 3 1/2 years of very reliable use for a Hyundai Veracruz Limited which is basically the fully loaded model.
Air conditioning system in the Veracruz is amazing and I would say twice as powerful at that of the Murano not to mention it gets cold in like 5 seconds. The quad rear adjustable ceiling vents and pillar vents makes the rear about 5 times better than the Murano. There is an independant fan in the rear and there must be a seperate AC for the rear also because condensate AC drip is coming from the front and rear.
Gas consumption is already a notch better than the Murano and I suspect it will further improve with mileage. Fuel gauge is very accurate and starts moving almost right after refuelling whereas the Murano will do 100 km before even starting to move. The reality on the Murano is when the gauge reads 3/4, you actually only have 1/2 a tank left.
I use cruise control quite a bit and when dropping out from cruise or skimming the brake pedal, there is no noticeable quick deceleration but I guess that has more to do with the compression braking on the MO. Still needed to be pretty good with the pedal if you wanted to make it unnoticable which I rarely mastered on the MO.
One thing I noticed was how well the VC tracks. Not that the Murano was bad but when driving at highway speed over longitudinal ruts or asphalt repair, the VC does not give you the slightest hint of wander. This was quite noticeable on the MO and even more so with the winter tires on.
Anti reverse hill climb feature really works. Example: stopped on a steep hill with brake applied, let go of brake and the VC just sits there until you step on the gas to continue.
Comfort and quietness are far ahead on the Veracruz. Seats are more comfortable on the VC.
To date, about the only thing I miss is the no kick down CVT on the Murano when climbing steep hills. The six speed in the VC is otherwise extremely smooth.
If you thought the MO had lots of rear leg room, you really need to take a look at the VC. That goes for luggage space also. Don't forget, there are 2 additional seats back there which are entirely out of sight when not in use. When needed, they are actually very comfortable.
The fit and finish is much better overall and material quality is surprizing. Little things like really nice material used for the headliner VS monkey fur we see on most.
Rear entertainment system is a hit with the kids. They can play their own CD's, watch a movie, plug in their I pod, or even a game console since there is a 110v outlet back there also. They do all this through an amazing set of wireless headphones while we listen to whatever we want up front. Awesome.
Really appreciate the auto door lock when shifting into gear and unlocking when going to park. This as I recall, was a pet peeve with most MO owners.
I’m really liking the motorised rear lift gate.
Not only are the front wipers rain sensing but the rear tailgate wiper is also indepentantly rain sensing. Really nice feature and works very well.
The MO is more a sportier ride and the VC is more a luxury ride.
For a couple of thousand less than a fully loaded, non nav MO plus an included mega warranty which cost me an additional $1300 on the MO, I’m really happy an impressed with the outstanding overall quality of everything. Never thought I would even consider a Hyundai, boy have things changed.
Anything else you want to know about the VC, just holler.
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PS: For those of you who said you would not buy a VC because it does not offer Navi, the 2008's have been spotted and this is definatly an option in them for 2008. Alpine based Navi is what they will offer which I believe is the same as Honda. |
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