| Kris |
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Originally posted by njjoe
muranomax-
It is not a rip-off. It is economics. The Hunter Road Force machine is significantly more expensive than a "standard" balancing balance. The dealers need to charge more per tire to recover their initial costs. It is not a rip-off. It is economics.
-njjoe
Joe
I totally agree....this is a premium service that requires a premium equipment and extra time...but it delivers! It is worth th extra money... |
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| Eric L. |
I admit $30 per tire is a steep price to just balance tires, even if it is on a Hunter Roadforce 9000 series balancer. My local hot rod shop has one of these machines and charges $25 per tire to MOUNT and BALANCE tires, and I'm sure they would charge less just to balance the tires.
I do agree though, if given the option of which machine to use when initially mounting/balancing the tires, I would choose the Hunter for the balancing. But once the tires are mounted, the shop should balance it as many times as it takes to get it balanced - after all you've paid for the mounting and BALANCING service. |
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| Kris |
Eric,
I agree that $30 per tire may seem a bit steep. But many variables are involved….how big your rims are….are your tires low profile….how compliant your suspension is…..what your tolerance to wheels sourced vibration is….how deep your pocket is….all of these influences the decision. I would say if you think you are getting a good deal for your money - go for it….I would….but as I said before that’sonly my opinion…..others may “vary”… |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by Kris
Eric,
I agree that $30 per tire may seem a bit steep. But many variables are involved….how big your rims are….are your tires low profile….how compliant your suspension is…..what your tolerance to wheels sourced vibration is….how deep your pocket is….all of these influences the decision. I would say if you think you are getting a good deal for your money - go for it….I would….but as I said before that’sonly my opinion…..others may “vary”…
True, if the vibration makes the car undrivable or unsafe, I would also pay that price to get the job done right so I can drive the car without worries. Its not worth endangering your life (and others on the road) to save a few dollars here and there looking for a place that is $5 per tire cheaper. |
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| pbeinetti |
I'm still not 100% happy with the ride of the KR21's. I drove 1000+ miles after they had been Roadforce balanced, and I would say they are 50% better than before -- but, still a vibration. I don't know if the KR21's ride harder than the Goodyears, and that's what I'm feeling, or if it's a balance problem. It's definitely a pain. I might take it to a local shop that has a Hunter Roadforce machine, now that I'm home, and see what they have to say. I found on the internet the 'specs' for the Roadforce -- 26 pounds of pressure. But, the site also says that some vehicles are more sensitive, and the machine needs to be set to a lower spec number. The guy where I had it done said they used 24 pounds as the spec. But, the web site says it might need to be set as low as 15 pounds for sensitive vehicles. That's where a good technician is important -- and, someone who will work with the customer. My 4 tires came out at 15, 16, 18 and 22 pounds after they were balanced. So, it's possible the tire at 22 pounds might be still causing a problem.
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| jwaters943 |
| FWIW, I've had these tires on my Honda Pilot for nearly 6 months. They've been great. They ride a tiny bit firmer over expansion joints, but they're much quieter and better handling than the OEM Goodyear Integrity tires that came on my Pilot. The snow traction seems about the same overall. Not great, but quite good for an on-road biased all-season tire. |
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| JimDaddy |
| Could try swapping axle positions (front with back) to see if the vibration changes. That might give credibility to balance force theory. Might be a defective tire as well. |
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| pbeinetti |
| I took the car back to where I bought the tires. They're going to look at it next week. But, they don't have a Roadforce balancer. I also went to a tire place that has a Roadforce balancer to see if the numbers in my earlier post would hint at a problem. He said they were all in spec. BUT, he said that the problem is most likely with the Kuhmo tires and can't be fixed. He said the Kuhmo's are 'junk', and shouldn't be used on a Murano. Great!! |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
He said the Kuhmo's are 'junk', and shouldn't be used on a Murano. Great!!
pbeinetti -
Just because he works in a tire store does not make him an expert on tires. I would love to hear his rationale on why Kumhos shouldn't be used on a Murano.
There are many MO owners who have reshod their MOs with Kumhos and are satisfied with their decision.
I suggest going back to the place that balanced them and see if they are willing to redo the two "highest" tires to see if that makes a difference.
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I took the car back to where I bought the tires. They're going to look at it next week. But, they don't have a Roadforce balancer. I also went to a tire place that has a Roadforce balancer to see if the numbers in my earlier post would hint at a problem. He said they were all in spec. BUT, he said that the problem is most likely with the Kuhmo tires and can't be fixed. He said the Kuhmo's are 'junk', and shouldn't be used on a Murano. Great!!
Pbeinetti
Dont believe this guy. Dont waste your time with him if he does not have a roadforce balancer. The problem is not the tires but the guy who cant balance them. Generally, its difficult to balance the larger tires and its almost impossible to balance them with conventional balancers. Take your mo to a dealer or a good tire place that can do roadmatching.
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| Kris |
When I put Yokohama Gelandars I had vibration problems. The tire dealer did roadforce balance it. And the force was within the specs, roughly 22lb. I still had vibrations. When I went back to GDY LS all disappeared! I would say you need to get well below 20lb in order to get rid of vibrations. On my current car the specs are 12lb!
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| OKIE MO |
| Going on 5000 miles on the Kumhos, Rides little firm, but I'm rollin 350 Z rims with staggered rim withs. So far so good!!! Even on the crappy OKLAHOMA ROADS...I think they were a good investment at 125.00 per tire verses 200.00 per tire for michelin. |
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| pbeinetti |
| I took the car to another tire dealer -- talked with him about the problem. He seemed VERY knowlegable. They do not recommend Roadforce balancing (they have one) unless there is a problem balancing with the normal (Hunter 9000)balancer. He also said that if the balancing I previously had done on the Roadforce machine was done right, it would show up to be properly balanced on the 9000. He suggested the tires be put on the 9000 to see how they looked. 3 of the 4 tires showed to be improperly balanced -- way too much weight. He said that too much weight is worse than too little. Whether the Roadforce machine was improperly calibrated, or the operator was poor, who knows. He suggested rebalancing on the 9000, and seeing how that is -- and, having them do a Roadforce balance if there is still a problem. They did the 9000 balance, and it is better than the previous Roadforce. In fact, the operator said the tires balanced up well. But, there is still a vibration. I am now convinced that I am feeling the difference between the Good Year and Kuhmo tires. In my opinion, the Good Years ride smoother. It stands to reason that if one tire has a 40k mile treadwear warranty, and the other has an 85k mile treadwear warranty, then the one with the higher warranty has a 'harder' tire substance -- or, whatever. The tires just plain ride hard, in my opinion. And, at Interstate highway speeds the hardness is reflected in road feeling that comes through the steering wheel. I had two sets of Good Years and they road extremely smooth. The Kuhmo's do not. I had seen on another chat line that Kuhmo owners were complaining about the same thing. But, I took a chance because I had read some positive comments about the Kuhmos on this message board. With what I know now I would not have bought the Kuhmos. The Good Years balanced with no problems -- they are 18", so I don't think the size of the tire is a big issue. IMO, the Kuhmo's are good because of low price, and the warranty -- that's all. They ride hard (not accepatable to me), and they are lousy in snow -- noticeably worse than the Good Years. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I took the car to another tire dealer -- talked with him about the problem. He seemed VERY knowlegable.....
Sorry you are having such a hard time with the Kumhos. My experience has been totally different. I felt that the Goodyears were ok tires with significant noise on any road. The Kumhos ride much quieter, smoother and hopefully will last much longer.They were also much cheaper! The Goodyears only lasted 36000 miles.
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| Pinspector |
| Muranomax got a set of Kumho KR21's for less than $400! Good work! Does anyone have a contact in New Jersey (central) for Kumho's? I got a quote from Tire Barn in North Brunswick for right about $500. I still have my OEM Goodyears with 58,000 miles but they're beginning to get noisy and starting to hydroplane. Thanks for the news on Kumho's. |
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| elliotgb |
Pin
A few of us ordered online via TireRack and had the tires drop shipped to a TireRack preferred installer.
You might want to read this comment from zebelkhan:
I think I know what you are talking about. My shop (walmart) also had trouble mounting them until I showed them how to do it.
Problem is that the tape they wrap around the tire for shipping pushes down on the beads of the tires and brings them too close to each other. During mounting, the machine blows a blast of air inside the tire to momentarily expand it so that the beads catch the edge of the rim and provide a seal long enough for the tire to start holding air. With the beads too close to each other, the machine at the walmart was unable to provide a blast of air strong enough to push them back towards the wheel edge.
I had them use the "bead breacker" part of the machine to push one side of the tire on to the rim. This was done very carefully ofcource so the tire would not get damaged. With one edge of the tire partially mounted, the machine was then able to complete the job.
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| ekaxel |
| A couple of months ago, I recommended Kumhos to my BIL (in central Jersey) He ordered them from Tire Rack, and they were $80 ea +$36 (total) shipping from Delaware they were shipped to and mounted by a local installer, apparently without trouble, I was in CJ this weekend and had my first experience driving the car. No vibration, quiet and smooth riding..... |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by Pinspector
Does anyone have a contact in New Jersey (central) for Kumho's?
P-
I received a Sunday circular from Strauss Auto that is showing a "Buy 3 Installed Kumho or Cooper tires & get the 4th tire Free" promotion. The promo is good through Saturday 2/16. Strauss Auto is big in the NY/NJ area so I am sure there is a store near you.
Here's a link to their website - Strauss Auto Homepage
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| pbeinetti |
As I mentioned above, I am still not pleased with the KR21's. It looks like I'm going to have to have them Roadforce balanced again -- a second time. I cannot get rid of a 60+ mph vibration in the steering wheel. I have already spent $150 on balancing. Place where I bought them says they are fine -- within spec. Note some of the comments on the Discount Tire web site from consumers, below. I'm not the only person having problems. Buyer beware! There is inconsistency in these tires.
1.Worst tire I've ever had on a car. They rode like stone and made the car shake like they weren't balanced. I took the car back and had them re-balance and still no good. I switched to the BF Goodrich Precept tires under the 30 day return guarantee and so far all is good. You get what you pay for in tires.
2.I swear on my Mother's grave, these tires are not round. They are egg shaped. I got them less than a week ago and at highway speeds they make noise and there is a vibration. They are not out of balance, I saw the guys balance them and I've driven unbalanced tires on this vehicle, I know they are balanced. When I drive at slow speeds, the whole vehicle moves up and down about a half inch. At higher speeds the suspension takes it up and it feels like a vibration, but going under 10 miles per hour, the entire vehicle moves up and down. If the tires are timed right, it's quite a ride. Unbelievable! I'm taking them back, I hope Discount Tire will work with me on them.
3. Not a good tire for my Pontiac Grand Prix. The car shakes and struggle and it is hard to handle it when turning and/or changing lanes - makes you feel like the car would roll over...Got to change them soon. Not a keeper! What a waste of money. Are they square?
4. I put a set of these on my Park Avenue and I had a terrible vibration. All of the tires balanced out ok, but all 4 tires had excessive force variation causing a bad felt vibration while driving. I was refered to this tire by a friend that had put Kumho tires on his Lesabre and had great luck with them. I also asked several tire dealers about them and I was told that it was a good tire for the money and this tire does not usually have any vibration problems. I had 4 bad tires and had them replaced with Pirelli tires and now my car rides great. The tires were quiet and handled good but the vibration was bad! Maybe I just got a bad set of 4 tires???
5. I bought these tires for my 2002 chevy impala because the salesman said they were 85,000 mile tire. After rotating the tires every 5,000 miles & keeping proper alignment the tires are completely worn out at 31,546 miles, WHAT A JOKE!! Whats the point of having a mileage rating if they dont last. I drive 60 miles a day & dont have time to fool with a tire this lousy, I just bought 4 goodyear assurance's that I'm confident will last the mileage rating. |
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| ekaxel |
| I note that 3 of the 5 negative "commenters" above were driving BIG American cars........ |
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| hfelknor |
"Strange response! I am a person who is experiencing problems with the tires -- on A MURANO. There are others who have had problems with KR21 tires, also. I am simply trying to alert people to a possible tire inconsistency problem. I don't see what a vibration has to do with whether a car is lighter, or heavier. It's still a vibration, being caused by the tires!"
You are right I can't delete this but I can erase the offending part.
Sorry.
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| pbeinetti |
| Strange response! I am a person who is experiencing problems with the tires -- on A MURANO. There are others who have had problems with KR21 tires, also. I am simply trying to alert people to a possible tire inconsistency problem. I don't see what a vibration has to do with whether a car is lighter, or heavier. It's still a vibration, being caused by the tires! |
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| njjoe |
pbeinetti-
The MO has been shown to be very sensitive to tire balancing.
You indicated you had the Kumhos balanced on the Hunter Roadforce unit, correct? What were the results of that balancing? If any of the tires were greater than 20 lbs, I suggest you go back to the tire dealer and insist that they get that tire(s) below 20 lbs. Kris suggested in an earlier post that the target threshold should be below 20 lbs. You already paid for the service, it obviously was not done correctly, so they should not charge you again. Customer satisfaction.
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
Strange response! I am a person who is experiencing problems with the tires -- on A MURANO. There are others who have had problems with KR21 tires, also. I am simply trying to alert people to a possible tire inconsistency problem. I don't see what a vibration has to do with whether a car is lighter, or heavier. It's still a vibration, being caused by the tires!
The first time I had the Kumho tires installed(at a local tire store) they had put too much weights to balance it and could not get it right.The second time I took it there they put more weights which made it even worse!. I took it to Discount tire at last and they had it balanced perfectly within 15-20 minutes. The first thing they did was to remove all the weights and put a few stick on weights. I noticed they had very little weights on all four tires as compared to the local tire guys who had used massive amounts. Now the tires are as smooth as it can be.
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| pbeinetti |
| I can't go back to the place that Roadforce balanced the tires -- it's 1100 miles away. I had it done in the middle of a road trip. There was one tire that came out at 22 pounds -- the others were 15-18 pounds. Perhaps the 22 pound tire is the problem. I may have them Roadforce balanced again locally -- more $$$$. I had no problems with the Goodyears when they were balanced the 'normal' way. It appears that the Kuhmo's require more intensive balancing. Again, buyer beware. Roadforce balancing costs more -- it doesn't come free with the purchase of tires. The typical cost is $100. In our area Discount Tire used to charge $15 per tire. They have raised the cost to $100 -- in oher words, they won't balance just one tire. They say it takes too much time to set up the machine, so they charge a flat $100. Firestone the same -- $100. I had a Firestone dealer look at the tires to see if the weights were properly put on when they were Roadforce balanced -- they were. They then used a normal balancer (Hunter 9000) to see is the tires were balanced. They said there was too much weight used, and proceeded to balance the tires. There was improvement, but still a slight vibration at 60+ mph. I was scheduled to have the tires Roadforce balanced by them today, and to see if they could get each tires to 15 pounds of force, or less. They were going to charge me $50, since I had already paid $50 to have them balanced normally (lifetime balance and rotation). When you Roadforce balance there is no lifetime warranty available. I could not keep the appointment because I fell on ice several days ago and hurt my back. Needless to say, this has been a tedious, expensive process. That is why I am alerting people on this board to potential problems. I did a Google search to see if others were having vibration problems with the KR21's, and found the quotes in a reply I posted above from a Discount Tire site. I'm glad some people on this board have not had problems -- I wish I was one of you. I hate vibration in cars -- it makes long trips tedious. You hate to even start the trip. And, you end up going back to the tire place over and over again, often with no satisfaction. I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee, bought new tires for it, and the vibration was terrible. It took me inumerable hours, going back to the dealer, to try and get it fixed. Finally I had to buy some Michelins (dealer gave me a discount, but it still cost me a bundle), and the vibration was gone. I don't want to beat a dead horse. The Kuhmo's are inconsistent IMO -- take it or leave it! |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I can't go back to the place that Roadforce balanced the tires -- it's 1100 miles away. I had it done in the middle of a road trip. There was one tire that came out at 22 pounds -- the others were 15-18 pounds. Perhaps the 22 pound tire is the problem. I may have them Roadforce balanced again locally -- more $$$$. I had no problems with the Goodyears when they were balanced the 'normal' way. It appears that the Kuhmo's require more intensive balancing. Again, buyer beware. Roadforce balancing costs more -- it doesn't come free with the purchase of tires. The typical cost is $100. In our area Discount Tire used to charge $15 per tire. They have raised the cost to $100 -- in oher words, they won't balance just one tire. They say it takes too much time to set up the machine, so they charge a flat $100. Firestone the same -- $100. I had a Firestone dealer look at the tires to see if the weights were properly put on when they were Roadforce balanced -- they were. They then used a normal balancer (Hunter 9000) to see is the tires were balanced. They said there was too much weight used, and proceeded to balance the tires. There was improvement, but still a slight vibration at 60+ mph. I was scheduled to have the tires Roadforce balanced by them today, and to see if they could get each tires to 15 pounds of force, or less. They were going to charge me $50, since I had already paid $50 to have them balanced normally (lifetime balance and rotation). When you Roadforce balance there is no lifetime warranty available. I could not keep the appointment because I fell on ice several days ago and hurt my back. Needless to say, this has been a tedious, expensive process. That is why I am alerting people on this board to potential problems. I did a Google search to see if others were having vibration problems with the KR21's, and found the quotes in a reply I posted above from a Discount Tire site. I'm glad some people on this board have not had problems -- I wish I was one of you. I hate vibration in cars -- it makes long trips tedious. You hate to even start the trip. And, you end up going back to the tire place over and over again, often with no satisfaction. I had a Jeep Grand Cherokee, bought new tires for it, and the vibration was terrible. It took me inumerable hours, going back to the dealer, to try and get it fixed. Finally I had to buy some Michelins (dealer gave me a discount, but it still cost me a bundle), and the vibration was gone. I don't want to beat a dead horse. The Kuhmo's are inconsistent IMO -- take it or leave it!
Pbeinetti
You really should have a refund for that one tire thats causing problems. Have the tire place replace the one tire that cannot be balanced.
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| pbeinetti |
| The 'spec' for Roadforce balancing the KR21 is 24 pounds. In other words, if it's within 24 pounds, it is acceptable. The place where I bought the tires does not have a Roadforce machine, so I think I'm out of luck to have them replace it. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
The 'spec' for Roadforce balancing the KR21 is 24 pounds. In other words, if it's within 24 pounds, it is acceptable. The place where I bought the tires does not have a Roadforce machine, so I think I'm out of luck to have them replace it.
Pbeinetti
The specs does not matter. If they cannot balance the tire they must replace it. You should contact your local better business bureau and lodge a complaint if they fail to rectify your problem.
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| charliedigital |
I took the plunge a few days ago and copped the Kumhos. So far so good. I have taken them up to some pretty high speeds :22:. Like another poster mentioned, it is a little firm. But I dont have much to compare to, the Goodyears had 40k miles when I bought this car and I do have an SE.
I was out the door at a local shop for $498, including road hazard protection, maintenance(rotations + roadforce balancing. Looks good on the ride too! |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by charliedigital
I took the plunge a few days ago and copped the Kumhos.
I was out the door at a local shop for $498, including road hazard protection, maintenance(rotations + roadforce balancing. Looks good on the ride too!
charliedigital-
Do you recall what the Roadforce readings were for each tire? Those readings could help establish a threshold for other members who have experienced vibrations after having the KUMHO's mounted and Roadforce-balanced.
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| pbeinetti |
The saga continues! I took the car back to the place I bought the KR21's today. Told them the whole story -- I was on a road trip, had a vibration, had the tires Roadforce balanced while on the road trip, still had the vibration, came home and had Firestone check the balance (they had a Roadforce machine), they said the tires were out of balance (too much weight -- they took some off), still a vibration, etc. The place I bought the tires checked them today -- two of the tires are no good -- too much side to side movement. Balancing wouldn't fix the problem, although the Roadforce machine should have come close. It did improve the ride, but there was still some vibration. The spec is 2/64th of an inch side to side movement max. One of the rear tires was 3/64th and one of the front tires was 5/64th. This is enough to cause a 60+ mph high frequency vibration, which is what I had.
My guess is that the inconsistency I was talking about in my post above is the side to side movement. The guys who posted on the Discount Tire message board who said they couldn't get rid of the vibration, no matter what they did, probably had the same problem. |
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| muranomax |
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The saga continues! I took the car back to the place I bought the KR21's today. ......
Did they replace the defective tires?
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| pbeinetti |
| They ordered two new tires, NC. |
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| I had two new Kumho KR21's installed today to replace the ones that had too much side to side motion. The vibration was worse. Holy crap!! A technician went for a ride with me and drove the Murano. He couldn't believe it. The vibration started for him about 45mph, and got steadliy worse as the speed increased. That was it -- I told the dealer I didn't want anymore Kumho tires. BUT, Kumho has no replacement policy. So I told the dealer I would go to the CEO of Kumho. After a couple of phone calls the dealer was told to do whatever it took to make me happy -- which meant to replace the tires. They gave me a price of $170 for the Goodyear OEM's. No way! So, I'm searching for the best tire value. What do you guys suggest? I had the Yokahama Avid H4S on another vehicle and liked them. Tire Rack is backordered on them. Great! I don't want to pay the price for Michelins. The dealer suggested a Mastercraft tire (made by Cooper) for $125.04 each. 80,000 mile treadwear warranty, 45 day return policy. I don't know anything about them. Does anybody? Cooper has almost the same tire with their name on it -- probably more $$. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I had two new Kumho KR21's installed today to replace the ones that had too much side to side motion. The vibration was worse. Holy crap!! A technician went for a ride with me and drove the Murano. He couldn't believe it. The vibration started for him about 45mph, and got steadliy worse as the speed increased. That was it -- I told the dealer I didn't want anymore Kumho tires. BUT, Kumho has no replacement policy. So I told the dealer I would go to the CEO of Kumho. After a couple of phone calls the dealer was told to do whatever it took to make me happy -- which meant to replace the tires. They gave me a price of $170 for the Goodyear OEM's. No way! So, I'm searching for the best tire value. What do you guys suggest? I had the Yokahama Avid H4S on another vehicle and liked them. Tire Rack is backordered on them. Great! I don't want to pay the price for Michelins. The dealer suggested a Mastercraft tire (made by Cooper) for $125.04 each. 80,000 mile treadwear warranty, 45 day return policy. I don't know anything about them. Does anybody? Cooper has almost the same tire with their name on it -- probably more $$.
I would suggest you go to your local Nissan dealer and have 4 new Goodyear tires. They will cost you about 650 bucks in all. I dont think you have much of a choice.The Michelins and Yokos are even more expensive. I dont know much about the cooper tires.
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| Kris |
| I'm with muranomax. Get GDY LS. Whatever people say about them they are decent tire. I do not trust Yokohama, I do not trust any truck tire. They are simply not suitable for Murano. |
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| hfelknor |
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Originally posted by Kris
I'm with muranomax. Get GDY LS. Whatever people say about them they are decent tire. I do not trust Yokohama, I do not trust any truck tire. They are simply not suitable for Murano.
How does a tire know that it is a truck tire if it can't read the advertisements?
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| ekaxel |
| I guess I don't get it. One or two people had trouble with the Kumho. We have had 10 times that many complaining about the GY over the years. There is at least one person complaining about everything new introduced here.... |
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| charliedigital |
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Originally posted by njjoe
charliedigital-
Do you recall what the Roadforce readings were for each tire? Those readings could help establish a threshold for other members who have experienced vibrations after having the KUMHO's mounted and Roadforce-balanced.
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Sorry, I dont have that info. |
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Originally posted by ekaxel
I guess I don't get it. One or two people had trouble with the Kumho. We have had 10 times that many complaining about the GY over the years. There is at least one person complaining about everything new introduced here....
I guess that has a lot to do with the level of tollerance of different people about different things. I have the Kumho tires and I do notice a slight vibration at certain speeds, usually above 70 mph and usually on very smooth roads. I have not yet roadforce balanced the tires because I don't find this level of vibrationa big deal. In my 100 mile a day commute the vibration has not bothered me, or I don't even notice it at times at all. Then again, the stock bose audio on the MO is also just fine with me. That is not of course to say that I just take things as they come to me. A look at my signature will tell you that is not so. But I think I am a bit realistic when it comes to things that are very difficult to make perfect. |
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| quikkik |
got them kumho's today
everything went smoothly.
installation
wheel balance
drove it in the rain and i noticed the difference right away from the good years.
hopefully this good feeling lasts.
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| gang |
Ok, I'm ready for a set, but do any of the discount chain stores carry Kumhos? I checked STS, Sears, and Pep Boys, and none carry them.
A local place (in New Jersey) wants $134 a piece + mounting. I can order them from Tirerack for $86 and get them mounted at Walmart but that's a bit more hassle. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by gang
Ok, I'm ready for a set, but do any of the discount chain stores carry Kumhos? I checked STS, Sears, and Pep Boys, and none carry them.
A local place (in New Jersey) wants $134 a piece + mounting. I can order them from Tirerack for $86 and get them mounted at Walmart but that's a bit more hassle.
Your best bet is Tire Rack shipping the tires to a local installer directly.Before you do that make sure your local tire guy can mount and balance a 18 inch wheel.Many old tire balancers cannot balance 18 inch wheels properly. You will end up spending more money trying to get it balanced right. Check your local Nissan dealer. They have the latest tire balancers that do a very good job. You can also check with a local branch of Discount Tire if you have one in the area. Remember mounting and balancing tires properly in Muranos can be tricky sometimes.
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| pbeinetti |
My saga is over, finally. With all the problems I had with the Kumho tires, I cannot recommend them. A message poster above said that some people are more sensitive to vibration and rough riding than others, and that's true. Maybe I'm one of them. Frankly, I think most people would rather have a smooth riding vehicle than one with a vibration, or a rough ride. I have replaced the Kumho's with the Mastercraft Avenger LSR. The Mastercraft is made by Cooper, and is essentially the same tire as their CS4 -- only less expensive. Cooper, and other tire manufacturers, do this -- make a tire with their brand name and sell it for a higher price than the same tire, with a slightly different look, that they sell at a lower price. The Mastercraft (and, CS4) is an exceptionally smooth riding tire -- holy cow, what a difference. It is quiet to the point that you hear zero road noise -- I mean zero. No vibration and no rough ride -- finally. The cost is a bit more than the Kumho's, but way worth it IMO. I paid $125 per tire, which is less than the Good Years, plus it has an 80,000 mile treadwear warranty, and a 45 day return poilicy. See info on the tire below. The CS4 is about $148 per tire, but it just looks a little bit different -- that's all. I'm running 38 pounds in the tires now, and they feel great. I think I'll be able to go to 40 pounds, and they'll still ride well. Good for handling, treadwear and gas mileage.
Mastercraft
Tire produced by Cooper
AVENGER TOURING LSR 235/65 R18 106T BSW
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All season tires
UTQG: 780AA
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Treadlife Warranty: 80,000 miles
Speedindex T: the tire's speed capacity is up to 118 mph/190 km/h !
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Mastercraft Tires is raising all-season performance to a whole new level with the launch of the Mastercraft Avenger Touring LSR – an all-season premium touring tire.
Mastercraft is dedicated to continually finding better ways to meet and exceed consumers’ expectations.
That same spirit of innovation can be found in the Touring LSR.
Featuring a newly-formulated performance compound, the Touring LSR is derived and inspired from ultra-high performance tire technology delivering improved all-season performance and handling. The new Touring LSR comes in two all-season tread design options: a four-rib (T rated) and a five-rib design (H and V rated) with a size lineup that offers exceptional value to luxury sedan, minivan and crossover owners looking for excellent all-weather performance. From striking new styling and high-tech features to high performance grip and all-weather handling, the Touring LSR represents a new standard for the touring tire category.
This new generation tire achieves these results using technology that Mastercraft engineers fine-tune and improve every day.
Countless hours were spent testing and refining, and testing again.
The end result is a distinctive tire with improved handling performance in wet or dry driving conditions, in addition to enhanced stability and excellent tread life. Perhaps the most dramatic example of innovative technology in the new Touring LSR is its advanced tire construction which utilizes several design features that work in concert to provide enhanced tire performance.
This tire’s state-of-the-art engineering package delivers superior ride comfort and responsive handling while reducing noise, in addition to added control in wet or slippery conditions.
This construction represents the latest step in engineering excellence and will inspire ultimate confidence in drivers delivering high performance grip.
This cutting-edge engineering contributes to a quiet ride, while the coupled silica tread results in sure handling and all-season traction. The open shoulder design is another perfect example.
This design utilizes lateral slots and strategic siping to create biting edges for all-season traction, improved wet corning performance and excellent handling in the snow.
The high density sipes ensure improved stopping and extra grip on wet and snow covered roads.
These features and many others come together to make the Touring LSR one of the best of the best in the touring tire category. The Touring LSR has treadwear ratings from 640 AA (14 inch) to 780 AA – one of the industry's highest Uniform Tire Quality Grading for a T-speed rated touring performance tire.
That means it's built to last.
But that's only half the story.
In addition to a long list of innovative and advanced features, the new Touring LSR offers a head-turning premium appearance.
This tire utilizes ventless technology in the tread area, exhibiting a crisp, clean appearance, emphasizing simplicity and style in a modern package.
The Touring LSR also features a sporty black sidewall (and a white pinstripe sidewall that is available in a 225/60R16 T-rated size) with detailed lettering.
The tire sidewall includes an extended bead filler for impressive handling capabilities, lane change and cornering ability.
The Touring LSR is offered in 29 sizes in the T rated, and 29 sizes in the H and V rated, ranging from 14- through18-inch diameters, and will be produced at the company’s Tupelo, Miss.
and Albany, Ga., manufacturing facilities. One of the best aspects of owning Mastercraft tires is the confidence that comes in knowing Mastercraft backs your purchase.
In fact, the Touring LSR comes with an impressive warranty.
The T-rated Touring LSR features a limited 80,000 mile treadwear protection warranty, while the H and V rated offer a 60,000 mile warranty.
Add to that, Mastercraft offers a free 45-day road test on the new Touring LSR to assure complete consumer satisfaction. So whether you’re looking for the adventure of a big city or the charm of a secluded mountain getaway, the Touring LSR will get you there and bring you back.
Although we certainly understand if you’d rather take the scenic route. |
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| HuskyFan |
| The Bridgestone dueler H/T tire is being used on the 2009 Murano, so this may be a tire to consider also. |
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