| muranomax |
Got new shoes for the MO to-day - Kumho Solus KR21 at a local tire shop who did an excellent job. The full price out of the door was $364. The first thing that I noticed was it was much quieter and handled better than the Goodyears. I drove several miles to-day on the interstate and local roads that I drive frequently so I was able to get a good comparison of noise level, grip etc. Needless to say the new tires are outstanding. Dont get me wrong, the Goodyears are excellent tires and did well to last 38000 miles which is about average on these roads in the Carolinas. I am very happy with Kumhos, especially because it cost about half of the Goodyears and less than half of Michelins and Yokos.
BTW Can somebody tell me what should be the correct tire pressure? The guy at the tire shop tells me that its better to keep the pressure between 36-40 psi while the manual recommends 33 psi. Every time I take the vehicle to the Nissan dealer for a tire rotation they inflate the tires to 40 psi. Do these people know something more that the manufacturers dont? 40 psi gives a bumpy ride so I always deflate the tires back to around 35 psi which gives the best balance between comfort and handling.
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| Kris |
Good luck!
Somehow when it comes to tires I think you get what you pay for......hope your Kumho's prove me wrong.......... |
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by muranomax
BTW Can somebody tell me what should be the correct tire pressure?
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There is a range, with the maximum being what is stamped on the tire and the minimum being what is recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. If 35 psi gives you the best balance between comfort and handling then stick with 35.
Let us know how the Kumbos compare to the OEM Goodyears.
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
Good luck!
Somehow when it comes to tires I think you get what you pay for......hope your Kumho's prove me wrong..........
Kris,
I hate to disagree with you but when it comes to MO tires there isnt a whole lot of choice. So far the only tire available was Goodyears. Then came the Michelins which are good tires but way too expensive. The Yokos are as expensive but noisier than the goodyears. The Goodyears are great allround tires but treadlife is relatively short and expensive. That leaves you with few alternatives. I am not a great fan of Cooper tires,Firestones or Hankooks as they are all noisier than the Goodyears and cost as much. Thats where Kumhos fit well. They are as good as the goodyears in terms of handling and ride quality, half the price of Goodyears and have a treadlife twice as long. So its got to be better!
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by njjoe
mm-
There is a range, with the maximum being what is stamped on the tire and the minimum being what is recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. If 35 psi gives you the best balance between comfort and handling then stick with 35.
Let us know how the Kumbos compare to the OEM Goodyears.
-njjoe
Thanks Joe,
You are always a great help. I pumped up the tires to 36 Psi and tested it today. Seems like that is the best compromise between ride quality and handling. I have not tested the fuel economy but it shouldnt make that much of a difference.
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| Kris |
muranomax
I agree we do not have many choices. And that's bad. I just hope you will be as happy with Kumho's 30k miles later as you are now. Then again given the price even if they lasted 20K miles but performed well they are worth the price.
It will be interesting to watch how they behave....keep us updated...;) |
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| soholingo |
I just put these tires on (today), and agree they are at least as good the goodyear in feel and possibly quieter. A couple of things that made me get these tires...
1. Price
2. Treadwear 80,000 miles!!!
3. Quiet ride
I will check back to see how many others get these tires, but I got them from tirerack.com, and installed at walmart. Total price around $400. Can't beat it with a stick. |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by soholingo
I just put these tires on (today), and agree they are at least as good the goodyear in feel and possibly quieter. A couple of things that made me get these tires...
1. Price
2. Treadwear 80,000 miles!!!
3. Quiet ride
I will check back to see how many others get these tires, but I got them from tirerack.com, and installed at walmart. Total price around $400. Can't beat it with a stick.
Excellent! I have been using these tires for a week now and got few hundred miles. I can tell you they are better than Goodyears in everyway. The total price of $364 I paid is unbeatable. Treadlife of 80,000 miles is awesome but I dont know if I am going to keep my MO that long. I will be switching it to the new model as soon as it rolls out!
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| soholingo |
quote:
Originally posted by muranomax
Excellent! I have been using these tires for a week now and got few hundred miles. I can tell you they are better than Goodyears in everyway. The total price of $364 I paid is unbeatable. Treadlife of 80,000 miles is awesome but I dont know if I am going to keep my MO that long. I will be switching it to the new model as soon as it rolls out!
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Muranomax
I plan on being the only owner of my Murano. I have had it for almost 3 years now, and all I have done is change the oil, replace the tires (and next week the brakes). I am at 60k miles, so I may take it in for a service check up, but I have to say I am extremely pleased with the truck as a whole.
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by muranomax
Excellent! I have been using these tires for a week now and got few hundred miles. I can tell you they are better than Goodyears in everyway. The total price of $364 I paid is unbeatable. Treadlife of 80,000 miles is awesome but I dont know if I am going to keep my MO that long. I will be switching it to the new model as soon as it rolls out!
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Muranomax
So now that you've put on a few miles on these tires, how do they compare with the Goodyears? "Better" is kind of vague - how does it compare in terms of traction (do you have a way to test it), quietness, fuel economy, steering response, etc... when I switched to the Yokohamas, I noticed that I had better traction (would no longer squeal as I cornered in my office parking garage), sharper steering, and hardly any difference in noise or ride quality. The biggest difference was since I went to a wider width (235 to 265) my fuel economy dropped a little (1-2mpg). |
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| muranomax |
So now that you've put on a few miles on these tires, how do they compare with the Goodyears?
Eric
The Kumhos have been a revelation for me. I had very little info prior to installing these tires on my wife's Toyota Highlander several months ago. Since then I have gathered lots of info and I am satisfied that they are reasonably good tires. On the MO, the kumhos are noticably quieter. I no longer have to crank up the audio volume to 18 to hear my music well. I can now hear it well at 12 or 13.Thats a significant drop in noise level all other things including my driving speed,roads etc being unchanged. The traction is also better as I no longer get that uneasy feeling of the tires slipping under when I take a sharp curve. Braking on wet roads was excellent.Handling is better by atleast 25% in curvy backroads. These tires also look great as they have a slightly rounded edge like the Goodyears. Fuel economy so far is better by 0.3 Mpg. My last 1000 mile average with goodyears was 20.4 mpg and with Kumhos its 20.7 with about 700 miles on board so far. I cant tell you about winter and snow conditions for obvious reasons. I have messed around a little bit with different tire pressure settings. 36 PSI all around seems to be the optimal setting and I am going to leave it at that.On a scale of 1 to 10, my satisfaction would be a 9. The only reason that I would take away a point is because these tires are not well known like the michelins or goodyears. But then, if they are well known we would be paying twice as much!
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| Kris |
Guys,
what size of Kumho Solus KR21 did you install on your Muranos? |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by Kris
Guys,
what size of Kumho Solus KR21 did you install on your Muranos?
I installed 235/65/18. Speed rating 104T.
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| elliotgb |
muranomax
I just moved to Cary, NC from Pennsylvania. I also plan to put on the same Kumhos that you just got. My stock OEM Goodyears have about 66k miles on them and I am now hydroplaning at 40 -45 mph.
Where do you live and where did you get the tires? I'd like to purchase mine from the same outfit if possible.
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by elliotgb
muranomax
I just moved to Cary, NC from Pennsylvania. I also plan to put on the same Kumhos that you just got. My stock OEM Goodyears have about 66k miles on them and I am now hydroplaning at 40 -45 mph.
Where do you live and where did you get the tires? I'd like to purchase mine from the same outfit if possible.
Thanks!
I got the tires at Archdale tire and lube.They are right off of I-85 and main street in Archdale. Its about an hour from Cary.Take I-40 West and go down I-85. That place used to be an old fire station which has been converted into a tire and lube place. Great staff who do the job without harassing you.Talk to Phil who will order the tires for you. The full price including mount,balance and disposal of old tires is $364. BTW 66 k miles on goodyear! you have done very well. Mine lasted 38k. There was some more life in the tires but the risk of hydroplaning was too much. The last time I took it to the dealer for an oil change and tire rotation, they refused to rotate the tires! They wanted me to put new tires right away! The price quote from the dealer for Goodyears was $680 if I remember correctly.BTW I visit cary all the time. Its got some of the best Indian restaurants in the area. I love Indian food.
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| charlotte |
Just installed 4 kumhos after 60,000 miles from my oem goodyears.
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by charlotte
Just installed 4 kumhos after 60,000 miles from my oem goodyears.
I am hoping it will last as long. The kumhos are quieter though.
I agree. The Kumhos are much quieter than the Goodyears. I have logged well over a thousand miles on the now and they get quieter as you go along.
BTW How much did you pay for the tires?
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| elliotgb |
I got my Kumho Solus Kr21's from TireRack. I ordered them online at $78 per tire. Total with $45.70 shipping came to $357.70.
I had them drop shipped to a recommended TireRack installer here in Cary, NC. They arrived just a few days after I ordered them. I am having them installed this weekend for $25/tire. So I will top out around $457.00 all together.
I hope they perform well. Most of the comments I've seen are quite positive. |
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| zebelkhan |
My MO has new shoes! Ordered a set of Kumho Solus KR21 from Tirerack for $357 (inc shipping) and put them on at local walmart. Installation cost, including lifetime balance, was $51. Total cost of tires: $408. Not bad....:D
OEM GoodYear tires had 67K miles on them with still a tiny bit of meat left but I just could not not chance it in wet weather (rain season is still far away in california but you never know!)
Kumho tires are quieter than GY but I think that maybe because they are new. So far I have 22 miles on them! |
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| soholingo |
Some thoughts after spending some time with the tires.
The tires great on smooth surfaces, water, handle pretty well and are extremely quiet. (So quiet that I thought something was wrong with my engine as I had never really heard my engine before).
The tires do ride rough over strips/bumps in the road, but that's to be expected.
All told, I like the Goodyears' ride a bit better, the Kumhos make my murano feel different. That said, I am only buying the Kumho, the price is right, and the only bad thing is the ride over strips/bumps in the road.
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| zebelkhan |
quote:
Originally posted by soholingo
The tires...are extremely quiet. (So quiet that I thought something was wrong with my engine as I had never really heard my engine before).
Same here!
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| elliotgb |
| I just had my Kumho Solus Kr21's installed last weekend. I have several hundred miles on them now. They are very quiet and are a nice looking tire. I do notice a little extra bounciness on occasion. My pressure is set at 34 psi cold, so by the time they heat up, they are around 37 or so warm. I like them so far. |
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| muranomax |
No problems so far with the Kumhos. I think I got the best deal so far. I paid $364 for all 4 tires including mounting, balance and disposal etc. Thats less than half the price I was quoted for the Michelins and Yokos at Discount tire!
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| zebelkhan |
When I bought my Kumho tires I had them shipped to my office. A co-worker who also owns a MO gave me this lecture about why he would never buy a set other than the OEM because of safety concerns. He was so good at his lecture it mad me feel bad for getting Kumhos instead of GY....
I just walked in to the parking lot. I see his MO and looked like he had new tires on it so I checked it out......they were Kumhos.......:D |
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| soholingo |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
When I bought my Kumho tires I had them shipped to my office. A co-worker who also owns a MO gave me this lecture about why he would never buy a set other than the OEM because of safety concerns. He was so good at his lecture it mad me feel bad for getting Kumhos instead of GY....
I just walked in to the parking lot. I see his MO and looked like he had new tires on it so I checked it out......they were Kumhos.......:D
Yeah, its funny how saving 60% can make you reaarange your priorities... I would seriously give him the business... |
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| Eric L. |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
When I bought my Kumho tires I had them shipped to my office. A co-worker who also owns a MO gave me this lecture about why he would never buy a set other than the OEM because of safety concerns. He was so good at his lecture it mad me feel bad for getting Kumhos instead of GY....
I just walked in to the parking lot. I see his MO and looked like he had new tires on it so I checked it out......they were Kumhos.......:D
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by zebelkhan
I just walked in to the parking lot. I see his MO and looked like he had new tires on it so I checked it out......they were Kumhos.......:D
Our local Nissan dealer said he would highly recommend new tires for the Murano the last time I went in to have routine maintenance(I think it was to change the cabin micro filter) He said he had recieved them the day before and was pretty sure they were not going to last long as they were so hard to find. The cost was about $100 each plus mount,balance etc. I asked him to show me the tires and they were Kumho Solus KR 21 Tires! I declined saying that I already have a better deal lined up at a local tire store.
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| zebelkhan |
| There are apparently some good deals out there on the Kumho tires. I got them from Tirerack and by the time they were installed they cost me around $102 each but my co-worker found them lined up on the side of the street for $95 each mounted and balanced.....:( |
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| Looni2ns |
Have about 4,000 on Kuhmos so far. <3 'em. Quiet and sticky!
Bought mine off TireRack and didn't realize I could have them sent directly to the installer. Next time I'll know. Price was pretty decent. |
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| elliotgb |
I'm finding that my Kumhos are happiest when the psi is set to 34lbs per tire/cold. I had them at 32 and the handling didn't seem good. When they heat up they get to around 36-37 lbs and the handling is much better.
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| Looni2ns |
My understanding is that the manufacturer's recommended tire inflation for these tires is 41-44 psi, depending on your load. That's probably why the dealership is inflating to 40 psi.
I don't think I'd run them so low as you risk improper tire wear and, in warm areas of the country, the risk of tread delamination (Explorer/Bridgestone problem) due to heat build-up. Also, the low inflation will have a negative impact on your gas mileage. |
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by Looni2ns
My understanding is that the manufacturer's recommended tire inflation for these tires is 41-44 psi, depending on your load. That's probably why the dealership is inflating to 40 psi.
I don't think I'd run them so low as you risk improper tire wear and, in warm areas of the country, the risk of tread delamination (Explorer/Bridgestone problem) due to heat build-up. Also, the low inflation will have a negative impact on your gas mileage.
What are you using as a guide for the tire manufacturer's recommended inflation? The markings on the tire itself are never the recommended inflation, just the MAXIMUM safe cold inflation. That number should never be used unless you are loading the tires to their maximum weight capacity. |
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| Mikeyusa |
I just purchased my Kumho Solus KR21 last week and LOVE them! Just for the price and the 80k miles... WOW! but then they are so quiet also! compared to the Goodyears that came with my MO! but i do have a confession, my Goodyears lasted 75k miles! pretty good! but i did wait a bit long on that! mainly because i though i had to spend $800 on new tires. i got my Kumhos for $108 each with LIFETIME rotation AND BALANCE. CANT BEAT THAT!
Thanks for all of the posts on this tire, it really helped me make my decision.
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| JimDaddy |
My dealership inflates my MO to 40 psi as well. I asked about the 33psi and they said the tires will wear better at 40 but make a little more noise. It's about time for "new shoes" at 36k mi and after reading the positive experience with Kumho for MO as well as many other autos, I'll be going with KR21's.
When I have the chance to test snow performance, and I will, I'll post my opinion. |
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| ekaxel |
IMHO:
The "Best" ands down tires for the MO (or almost anything else for that matter) are Nokian WR. ($225/per) Like Kris says, you get what you pay for...
I don't have them BTW.
Being European mfg, the price is quite inflated due the weak dollar.. |
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| mrbill65 |
I am thinking of putting these on my wifes honda pilot. Any word how these handle in the snow?We still have not decided on if we are keeping the MO or tradeing it for the frontier. If we keep it I may end up putting these tires on the MO if they are decent in the snow.
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by mrbill65
I am thinking of putting these on my wifes honda pilot. Any word how these handle in the snow?We still have not decided on if we are keeping the MO or tradeing it for the frontier. If we keep it I may end up putting these tires on the MO if they are decent in the snow.
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MrBill65
Black 03
everything but navi
MrBill65
We have not seen a single flake of snow so far this year in the carolinas. Rain is short by some 20 inches so far. But I can tell you the KR21's are the best tires I purchased so far for any car, period!
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| elliotgb |
Muranomax
I am here in Cary, NC. I have about 3000 miles on my KR21's. I drive from here to Wilson and back every day. I did hit one of the few thunderstorms we had here about a month or so ago and the tires did excellent in the rain.
Took MO into my Nissan Dealership at Southern States and told the SM about my front end vibrations. I told him that it tracked straight( so I did not require an alignment) but had some disturbance when there was a lot of wind and passing semi's. He rebalanced all the tires and everthing is much smoother. Due to the cold snap the tires went down to about 31 psi and I recently pumped them up to 34 psi all around. Ride is good now, |
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| mc81 |
| Anyone have a picture of the Kumhos on the Murano? |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by elliotgb
Muranomax
I am here in Cary, NC. I have about 3000 miles on my KR21's. I drive from here to Wilson and back every day. I did hit one of the few thunderstorms we had here about a month or so ago and the tires did excellent in the rain.
Took MO into my Nissan Dealership at Southern States and told the SM about my front end vibrations. I told him that it tracked straight( so I did not require an alignment) but had some disturbance when there was a lot of wind and passing semi's. He rebalanced all the tires and everthing is much smoother. Due to the cold snap the tires went down to about 31 psi and I recently pumped them up to 34 psi all around. Ride is good now,
I had a similar situation with the balancing. The local tire guys could not balance it at all. I had to take it to Discount Tires and get it balanced using a Roadforce balancer. It was a major improvement in the way the tires handled after balancing with the Roadforce machine. As far as the tires are concerned they have gotten significantly quieter after about 3000 miles!
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| jballchat |
| Discount Tire told me that the KR21 has a less rigid sidewall than the OEM Eagle and wouldn't handle as well in turns, etc. Can anyone confirm this? |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by jballchat
Discount Tire told me that the KR21 has a less rigid sidewall than the OEM Eagle and wouldn't handle as well in turns, etc. Can anyone confirm this?
Thats a bunch of baloney.The KR21 handle fine. Better than OEM tires because they are as good as the OEM in handling but quieter and cost half the price. The discount tire guys obviously want to sell a tire package thats gonna cost you $800 (Michelin and Yokos are their preferred tires) as compared to the KR21's that cost you about $360-400.It might make a small difference if you drive like a maniac but under normal driving conditions it does not make a bit of difference. If handling is your primary concern you should be driving a BMW X5, Porsche Cayenne Turbo S or Infinity FX45 and not a Murano.
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| mc81 |
| With the snowfall around the country this past week, has anyone had a chance to try the kumhos out in the snow? How do they handle? |
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| BikerJohn |
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Originally posted by mc81
Anyone have a picture of the Kumhos on the Murano?
I saw one at the dealership on an '04 MO and it looked good. I think it looks better than the GY LS on one.
Here's a link to what the tire looks like. http://www.tirerack.com/tire-12/Kumho/Solus+KR21.shtml |
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| elliotgb |
I think the Kumhos look great on my MO. They have a great profile that enhances the MO in my opinion. If I have a chance to get my digital cam out this weekend, I'll take a few pics. I have a few thousand miles on mine and they handle great and rain control is fantastic.
Now all I have to do is to get that dent fixed that some stupid a**hole caused. 3.5 years without one, less than 6 months in my new location in NC and a dent. No paint taken off, just a minor indent, but it bugs me nonetheless. |
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| Ophitoxaemia |
ive purchased over 15 sets of kumho tires for several of my cars over the last few years and found them to be uniformly excellent.
ive used up multiple sets of the victoracer, the V700, and the V710, as well as having used the solus line, the HT truck tires, MX and ASX.
however, almost every tire these days is pretty great compared to even 10 years ago.
regarding tire pressures: the jaguar xk8 i used to have had two pressure settings on the door sill- one regular and one for 'maximum ride quality'.
higher tire pressure means higher gas mileage (but possibly uneven tire wear and ride or handling problems)
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| mc81 |
| Thanks for the info guys... I went ahead and ordered a set yesterday. Need to get them on cause my goodyears are down to 2/32" and im sliding all over in the snow :( |
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| BikerJohn |
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Originally posted by mc81
Thanks for the info guys... I went ahead and ordered a set yesterday. Need to get them on cause my goodyears are down to 2/32" and im sliding all over in the snow :(
Let us know what you think of them compared to the LS once you've put some time on them.
I'm sure right now that almost anything will be better than what you have on.
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| mc81 |
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Originally posted by BikerJohn
Let us know what you think of them compared to the LS once you've put some time on them.
I'm sure right now that almost anything will be better than what you have on.
Careful sliding:D
I will, but I cant really compare to the LS. I bought the car two weeks ago with 40k mi, so I never drove on the LS with decent treads. |
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| zebelkhan |
| Although it has great traction, while driving in the rain for the past couple of days I seem to hear much louder than normal (in the rain) road noise. I think someone else also mentioned this. |
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| OKIE MO |
| I just purchased a set for my 05 murano, had them mounted on 18x8 350Z rims on front and 18x8.5 350Z rims in the rear. Great ride, not as much noise as goodyear eagle (factory tread). So far so good, if any changes I will be more than happy to post. |
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| MuranoMan1 |
Just a had a major problem with the Kumho KR21 Tires today that I would like to pass along.
We ordered 4 tires for our 2003 Murano and had then shipped directly to the installer.
They did not fit the stock rims correctly. Installer was unable to mount them!!!! The Kuhmos are going back and just had 4 new Goodyear (OEM) tires installed without any problems.
Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else!! Wasted all day!!! |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by MuranoMan1
Just a had a major problem with the Kumho KR21 Tires today that I would like to pass along.
We ordered 4 tires for our 2003 Murano and had then shipped directly to the installer.
They did not fit the stock rims correctly. Installer was unable to mount them!!!! The Kuhmos are going back and just had 4 new Goodyear (OEM) tires installed without any problems.
Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else!! Wasted all day!!!
Thats strange. I had no problems mounting the KR 21's about 3 months ago. It runs very well and the noise has gotten signifcantly quieter now. I had to get the tires balanced at Discount Tire as the local tire guy could not balance it well due to limitations of the older balancing machine!
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| njjoe |
quote:
Originally posted by MuranoMan1
They did not fit the stock rims correctly. Installer was unable to mount them!!!! The Kuhmos are going back and just had 4 new Goodyear (OEM) tires installed without any problems.
MM1-
That is very odd that 4 standard size tires could not be mounted on 4 standard size rims. What was the problem? Were the wrong tires ordered? Were the wrong tires shipped?
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| BikerJohn |
quote:
Originally posted by MuranoMan1
Just a had a major problem with the Kumho KR21 Tires today that I would like to pass along.
We ordered 4 tires for our 2003 Murano and had then shipped directly to the installer.
They did not fit the stock rims correctly. Installer was unable to mount them!!!! The Kuhmos are going back and just had 4 new Goodyear (OEM) tires installed without any problems.
Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else!! Wasted all day!!!
What size did they order? The OEM size is 235/65R18 and any tires made in that size should fit the OEM rims. |
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| mc81 |
quote:
Originally posted by MuranoMan1
Just a had a major problem with the Kumho KR21 Tires today that I would like to pass along.
We ordered 4 tires for our 2003 Murano and had then shipped directly to the installer.
They did not fit the stock rims correctly. Installer was unable to mount them!!!! The Kuhmos are going back and just had 4 new Goodyear (OEM) tires installed without any problems.
Hope this doesn't happen to anyone else!! Wasted all day!!!
I also recently ordered the kumhos. My brother in law is a mechanic at a local honda dealer, and i took the tires to him to have them mounted. He too was unable to mount them on the rims. He said his tool was not powerful enough to mount them and that hondas dont require that much force. So, I took them to a local tire shop to have them mounted and they didnt have any problems at all. It ended up costing me $80 extra though to have them mounted at the shop rather than by my brother in law.
Ive had them on for roughly 2000 miles now, and they ride great. I dont really notice a difference at all between these and the goodyears in terms of noise, handling, etc. I did lose 1.5 - 2mpg when i switched from the goodyears however. All in all im very pleased with them... especially since theyre so much cheaper than the goodyears. |
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| zebelkhan |
I think I know what you are talking about. My shop (walmart) also had trouble mounting them until I showed them how to do it.
Problem is that the tape they wrap around the tire for shipping pushes down on the beads of the tires and brings them too close to each other. During mounting, the machine blows a blast of air inside the tire to momentarily expand it so that the beads catch the edge of the rim and provide a seal long enough for the tire to start holding air. With the beads too close to each other, the machine at the walmart was unable to provide a blast of air strong enough to push them back towards the wheel edge.
I had them use the "bead breacker" part of the machine to push one side of the tire on to the rim. This was done very carefully ofcource so the tire would not get damaged. With one edge of the tire partially mounted, the machine was then able to complete the job. |
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| Eric L. |
| Hmmm very interesting - I guess not all shops are equipped to handle big 18" tires yet. They will be soon, as even family sedans are now coming with 18's. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by Eric L.
Hmmm very interesting - I guess not all shops are equipped to handle big 18" tires yet. They will be soon, as even family sedans are now coming with 18's.
According to z-man it wasn't the rim size that caused the problem, it was the way the tires were packaged. That's good to know.
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| MuranoMan1 |
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Originally posted by zebelkhan
I think I know what you are talking about. My shop (walmart) also had trouble mounting them until I showed them how to do it.
Problem is that the tape they wrap around the tire for shipping pushes down on the beads of the tires and brings them too close to each other. During mounting, the machine blows a blast of air inside the tire to momentarily expand it so that the beads catch the edge of the rim and provide a seal long enough for the tire to start holding air. With the beads too close to each other, the machine at the walmart was unable to provide a blast of air strong enough to push them back towards the wheel edge.
I had them use the "bead breacker" part of the machine to push one side of the tire on to the rim. This was done very carefully ofcource so the tire would not get damaged. With one edge of the tire partially mounted, the machine was then able to complete the job.
That was exactly the problem today!
They were the right size (235/65R18 ) but the beads of the tires were too close and they could not get an adequate seal on the rims for the installer to fill them with air. The installer talked about using "ether" to help with the process but stated it was "too dangerous".
So I guess these tires are built alittle narrow on the rim side or the rubber compound is slightly "stiff" making the install difficult for some shops??? It was cold today (26 was the high) so maybe that was a factor? |
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| elliotgb |
| I had mine drop shipped and mounted at Discount Tire here in Cary, NC. Absolutely no problems and the tires are getting quieter. Been on since about July 07. |
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| MuranoMan1 |
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Originally posted by elliotgb
I had mine drop shipped and mounted at Discount Tire here in Cary, NC. Absolutely no problems and the tires are getting quieter. Been on since about July 07.
You are lucky.
Received an E-mail from customer service yeasteday. According to them (after talking to the installer) what happened was the tire bead was compressed on all four tires during the shipping process and would not go back to it's normal shape to allow them to be mounted.
I have purchased alot of tires in the past and used drop shipping. Never before have I had a tire get distorted from the shipping process to the point that they couldn't go on the rims! Makes me wonder how well these tires are made. |
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| zebelkhan |
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Originally posted by MuranoMan1
Makes me wonder how well these tires are made.
A good installer sould have been able to install them. I am very happy with my tires and they passed the "wet" test with flying colors in the stormy and rainy weather we have had here in northern california in the past few days. |
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| MuranoMan1 |
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Originally posted by zebelkhan
A good installer sould have been able to install them.
You would think so. The whole situation was odd and a real pain! |
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| elliotgb |
| I don't have any doubts so far about the integrity of my Kumhos. When I wanted these tires, I went to Tire Rack and got a list of recommended installers for the tire in my area and picked one that had good reviews. It was Colony Tire, not Discount Tires as I recently stated, that did the install. |
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| pbeinetti |
| I put the KR21's on my Murano yesterday -- so far so good. I like the feel of the tires very much, over the Goodyears. They handle very well, and the car seems more stable. I'm not sure about how they do in the snow, though. We had several inches of snow and slush on the ground yesterday and they did not seem to do as well as the Goodyears. We leave on a 2500 mile trip in several days, so we should know how we like the tires by the end of the trip. Cost was $455 OTD. That's higher than some other posts, but I think very reasonable. Sears OTD, with a sale going on, was $489. I went to a local dealer, and he quoted $536. I said I would go to Sears and he made a couple of phone calls and found a wholesaler who had a lower price. Tire Rack price was $80 each ($320). I figure the total with Tire Rack would have been about $470 ($320 + approx. $65 shipping + $68 install [higher price when not their tire] + $15 disposal + $5 tax. So, the local dealer beat Tire Rack. I bought tires for my Jeep a couple of weeks ago -- same thing. I showed the dealer the Tire rack price and he beat it OTD by $30. Warranty on the KR21's is great. 85,000 mile treadwear warranty, roads hazard coverage free for the first 25% of wear, and 24 hour roadside assistance for the first 2 years. Hard to beat that! |
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| lonewulf |
I apologize if this has been covered in this thread, but I didn't search through ALL of the pages to see if anyone has encountered this at all.
Anyway, I have a 2003 MO front wheel drive and I ordered the Kumho Solus KR21 Size: 235/65TR18 off of tirerack.com at a really great price and then brought them to a local shop for mounting and alignment.
So the story goes, they call after about an hour or two to tell me something about the tires. I wasn't able to get back to them until maybe 5 hours later.
They called to tell me that the tires were "car" tires and not "truck" tires like some Michelins that were on my MO. They gave me a big schpeel about how the Kumos would greatly affect the handling of the vehicle and that I was not going to be happy with them, but that they tried to get ahold of me and when I didn't call back after a couple of hours they went ahead and mounted them like they were supposed to. This guy went as far as to say that taking a curved entrace ramp to an expressway at maybe 50-60mph would feel unsafe with these tires and that he estimated a safe speed with these tires would be maybe 40-45mph
This guy really made it a point to tell me that the tires were going to make a HUGE difference in how the car handles, however that they'd have the same treadwear and traction as a "truck" tire with the sidewall being the big difference.
I talked to him for a bit and advised that there are only 2 light truck/suv tires that fit the car's OEM size and that even the Goodyears that are usually referred to as the normal tire for the vehicle are classified as "standard touring all season". (The Kumos are also the same classification)
So I haven't picked up the car yet from the mounting yesterday, and obviously I haven't been able to discern a difference for myself between the Michelins that were on it and the new Kumos....but was this guy just blowing a ton of smoke up my ass to try and make some more money or what? I mean everyone here doesn't seem to have anything remotely that negative to say about these tires from what I can see. |
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| Kris |
Lonewulf
Murano is a CUV, a car based one. As such requires car not truck tires. I have not had Kumho tires but from I read on this board people are very happy with them.
The OEM’s GDY Eagle LS were passenger car tires!
I believe the guy was BS you. The Kumhos will be safe tires no doubt!
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| njjoe |
lonewulf-
Welcome to the forum.
This sums it up --> :bsflag:
I suggest you pick up your MO, say good-bye to the tire guy, and never give them any more business. The guy is full of BS. The MO is not a truck by any definition. Except for the sheet-metal and a few component changes, the MO is basically a Nissan Altima!
The tire guy is trying to scare you into returning the tires and buying a set of "truck" tires from him. He can make more money from you that way.
When you see him, ask him how he would have classified the OEM Goodyear Eagle LS. They certainly can not be called "truck" tires yet Gonzo and others safely drove them at 100+ mph.
I hate dishonest guys like your tire dealer, but I do love it when they try to pull one over on me. I usually make sure that everyone within earshot knows just how disreputable and despicable they are. :p
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| lonewulf |
Thanks for the welcome and thanks for the quick responses! I kind of figured that I was being given some bad info, as I do my best to research more than the average consumer with regards to my vehicles.
Now I am kind of pissed at this shop.
What I don't get is that I didn't buy the tires from them, and after they put the tires on they would obviously know I couldn't return them to where I bought them, so why give me that BS at that point? It's not like I would scrap $320 worth of brand new tires and then turn around and buy overpriced ones from them. |
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by lonewulf
What I don't get is that I didn't buy the tires from them, and after they put the tires on they would obviously know I couldn't return them to where I bought them, so why give me that BS at that point? It's not like I would scrap $320 worth of brand new tires and then turn around and buy overpriced ones from them.
lonewulf-
I am sure they would have "helped you out" and paid you $300 for the Kumhos and then turned around and sold them as new to the next MO owner for $100+ each.
What is the name of your tire dealer? That way other forum members in your area can avoid him.
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| lonewulf |
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Originally posted by njjoe
lonewulf-
I am sure they would have "helped you out" and paid you $300 for the Kumhos and then turned around and sold them as new to the next MO owner for $100+ each.
What is the name of your tire dealer? That way other forum members in your area can avoid him.
-njjoe
See that's the thing, just to see what their response was, I asked them if they'd take the tires off my hands because I couldn't return them to an online merchant now that they were mounted. The guy said my only option at this point was to sell them on ebay or something and then buy other "truck" tires.
Obviously no one at that point is going to swallow the cost of 2 sets of new tires like that. It's kind of a ridiculous situation and someone would have to be a real idiot to say to themselves, "wow, I better buy "truck" tires from these guys." |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by lonewulf
I apologize if this has been covered in this thread, but I didn't search through ALL of the pages to see if anyone has encountered this at all.
Anyway, I have a 2003 MO front wheel drive and I ordered the Kumho Solus KR21 Size: 235/65TR18 off of tirerack.com at a really great price and then brought them to a local shop for mounting and alignment.
So the story goes, they call after about an hour or two to tell me something about the tires. I wasn't able to get back to them until maybe 5 hours later.
They called to tell me that the tires were "car" tires and not "truck" tires like some Michelins that were on my MO. They gave me a big schpeel about how the Kumos would greatly affect the handling of the vehicle and that I was not going to be happy with them, but that they tried to get ahold of me and when I didn't call back after a couple of hours they went ahead and mounted them like they were supposed to. This guy went as far as to say that taking a curved entrace ramp to an expressway at maybe 50-60mph would feel unsafe with these tires and that he estimated a safe speed with these tires would be maybe 40-45mph
This guy really made it a point to tell me that the tires were going to make a HUGE difference in how the car handles, however that they'd have the same treadwear and traction as a "truck" tire with the sidewall being the big difference.
I talked to him for a bit and advised that there are only 2 light truck/suv tires that fit the car's OEM size and that even the Goodyears that are usually referred to as the normal tire for the vehicle are classified as "standard touring all season". (The Kumos are also the same classification)
So I haven't picked up the car yet from the mounting yesterday, and obviously I haven't been able to discern a difference for myself between the Michelins that were on it and the new Kumos....but was this guy just blowing a ton of smoke up my ass to try and make some more money or what? I mean everyone here doesn't seem to have anything remotely that negative to say about these tires from what I can see.
Lonewolf
Welcome to the forum. I suggest you pick up your MO ASAP and dont even bother talking to these tire guys. Dont ever do business with them again. They are full of s--t and dont know what they are talking about. The Kumhos are as good as the goodyears and you get them for half the price. I have had them for several months now and have driven them at maximumum speed( I mean over 80Mph!) and have not had the slightest problem. It has handled great in hot ,cold and wet weather. I cant tell you much about snow as there hasnt been much snow around here in the carolinas so far.Anyway, good luck to you and make sure that the tires are balanced properly. The 18 inch wheels are difficult to balance on the conventional balancers. I would recommend you check out a shop that has the Hunter Roadforce balancer.
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| zebelkhan |
Lonewolf
Give the benefit of the doubt to the tire guy. Maybe he was really trying to be helful but just either had the wrong information, or simply did not know enough.
I am very happy with the Kumho tires and drive them at sustained speeds of over 80 mph on a daily basis. They are quiet and they perform great in pouring rain and on dry roads alike. Having said that, I do find myself more careful when exiting freeways at high speeds because the tire is fairly new to me and I just don't know enough about the thichness or construction of the side wall and its performance under that kind of a load. So maybe, just maybe the guy was just trying to be helpful by airing his concern in that regard...:) |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by zebelkhan
Lonewolf
Give the benefit of the doubt to the tire guy. Maybe he was really trying to be helful but just either had the wrong information, or simply did not know enough.
I am very happy with the Kumho tires and drive them at sustained speeds of over 80 mph on a daily basis. They are quiet and they perform great in pouring rain and on dry roads alike. Having said that, I do find myself more careful when exiting freeways at high speeds because the tire is fairly new to me and I just don't know enough about the thichness or construction of the side wall and its performance under that kind of a load. So maybe, just maybe the guy was just trying to be helpful by airing his concern in that regard...:)
Zebelkhan
The Kumho solus KR21 is rated at 104T speed rating which is exactly the same rating as the OEM Goodyears. I cant understand what the big deal is in entering or exiting the highways at high speeds when you are routinely driving at 80Mph! Surely you cant be driving much more than 60 or 70 Mph when entering or exiting the highway and these tires are more than capable of handling that.
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by muranomax
Zebelkhan
The Kumho solus KR21 is rated at 104T speed rating which is exactly the same rating as the OEM Goodyears. I cant understand what the big deal is in entering or exiting the highways at high speeds when you are routinely driving at 80Mph! Surely you cant be driving much more than 60 or 70 Mph when entering or exiting the highway and these tires are more than capable of handling that.
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I think he means the cloverleaf offramps - if you tried to take it at 60-70, you'd flip the Murano or at the very least plow into the guardrail. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by Eric L.
I think he means the cloverleaf offramps - if you tried to take it at 60-70, you'd flip the Murano or at the very least plow into the guardrail.
Eric L
My point is that if Goodyears can handle it so can the Kumhos.These two tires are identical in their specs.
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| Eric L. |
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Originally posted by muranomax
Eric L
My point is that if Goodyears can handle it so can the Kumhos.These two tires are identical in their specs.
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Muranomax
Speed rating doesn't really tell how the tire will handle at the limits, just how well the tire tolerates higher temperatures associated with high speed driving. However, I do agree that two tires with the same speed rating should give *similar* handling traits, up to a certain limit that one would rarely exploit in the real world. |
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| pbeinetti |
I put 1000+ miles on the new KR21's in the last 2 days -- Colorado to Wisconsin. They are definitely a different feeling tire from the Goodyears. They seem to be stiffer, ride a bit harder. In fact, I have somewhat of a vibration -- not big, but enough that I feel it in the seat of my pants, and slightly in the steering wheel. Perhaps there is a bit of a balance problem, or an out of round tire. Anyone else have this problem? I noticed on another internet chat board that a couple of people mentioned that their car had a vibration with the KR21's.
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I put 1000+ miles on the new KR21's in the last 2 days -- Colorado to Wisconsin. They are definitely a different feeling tire from the Goodyears. They seem to be stiffer, ride a bit harder. In fact, I have somewhat of a vibration -- not big, but enough that I feel it in the seat of my pants, and slightly in the steering wheel. Perhaps there is a bit of a balance problem, or an out of round tire. Anyone else have this problem? I noticed on another internet chat board that a couple of people mentioned that their car had a vibration with the KR21's.
Pete
Pete
That is a balancing problem. Its not unique to Kumho tires. I believe its due to the fact that the older balancing machines are not able to balance the 18 inch wheels correctly. I had the same problem with the Kumhos initially because I had it mounted by a local tire shop who just could not balance it after two attempts. I had to take it to Discount tire locally and got it balanced perfectly within minutes using a Hunter Roadforce balancer. Your local Nissan dealer should also have a Roadforce balancer which I understand is a standard equipment used by most dealers now.
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| MuranoMan1 |
quote:
Originally posted by pbeinetti
I put 1000+ miles on the new KR21's in the last 2 days -- Colorado to Wisconsin. They are definitely a different feeling tire from the Goodyears. They seem to be stiffer, ride a bit harder. In fact, I have somewhat of a vibration -- not big, but enough that I feel it in the seat of my pants, and slightly in the steering wheel. Perhaps there is a bit of a balance problem, or an out of round tire. Anyone else have this problem? I noticed on another internet chat board that a couple of people mentioned that their car had a vibration with the KR21's.
Pete
I remember reading one of the reviewers of these tires on Tire Rack complaining of a vibration because of a defective tire.
However, make sure the tires are inflated correctly and not over inflated (which can also give a harsh ride and vibration).
Since our installer wasn't able to mount the KR21's on our Murano, we ended up getting another set of the OEM Goodyears. Just returned from a trip and althought I am generally not a fan of goodyear, the new goodyears on our Murano do give a great ride. |
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| pbeinetti |
| I just checked the Hunter web site -- it tells you the locations that use the Road Force Machine. I'm going to one of the places tomorrow to see if they can solve the problem. I also realized, looking at their site, that the place where I've gotten myu tires in the past has a Road Force -- balance has always been perfect. Place where I got the Kumhos does not. That might be the difference. I also just got some new tires for my Jeep -- awful vibfration. The place has balanced them twice -- no good. They do not have a Road Force machine. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I just checked the Hunter web site -- it tells you the locations that use the Road Force Machine. I'm going to one of the places tomorrow to see if they can solve the problem. I also realized, looking at their site, that the place where I've gotten myu tires in the past has a Road Force -- balance has always been perfect. Place where I got the Kumhos does not. That might be the difference. I also just got some new tires for my Jeep -- awful vibfration. The place has balanced them twice -- no good. They do not have a Road Force machine.
Pete
Any vehicle with tire size 18 and above, you are better off getting it balanced with a Hunter Roadforce balancer or similar equipment.
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| pbeinetti |
I checked with a couple of places that use the Road Force Hunter machine. One quoted $90 for all 4 tires, the other quoted $27 per tire. The $27 place asked why I would want all 4 tires done by the Road Force. Rather, they suggested that they be balanced normally at less $$$, and if one or more of the tires didn't balance well, they would use the Road Force. Any input on this?
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| Kris |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
I checked with a couple of places that use the Road Force Hunter machine. One quoted $90 for all 4 tires, the other quoted $27 per tire. The $27 place asked why I would want all 4 tires done by the Road Force. Rather, they suggested that they be balanced normally at less $$$, and if one or more of the tires didn't balance well, they would use the Road Force. Any input on this?
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Pete
If I had a problem with wheel vibration I would go for all 4 tires. Once you have done it you are set for life of the tires....it is worth the extra money..
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| Rastabart |
| Just had the Kumho's installed today...Got 73K out of my Goodyears but that was stretching it to the extreme to say the least !! Was actually deathly afraid to drive in any rain/snow/sleet....I was actually trying to hold out for the Yokohama Avids' but everyone was out of stock...Only a few miles driven so far but I can't tell the difference regarding noise compared with the Goodyears...All I really still hear is my engine noise so I really don't know what you guys are talking about...Supposed to get a little weather mix tomorrow, will report back on handling... |
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| muranomax |
quote:
Originally posted by pbeinetti
I checked with a couple of places that use the Road Force Hunter machine. One quoted $90 for all 4 tires, the other quoted $27 per tire. The $27 place asked why I would want all 4 tires done by the Road Force. Rather, they suggested that they be balanced normally at less $$$, and if one or more of the tires didn't balance well, they would use the Road Force. Any input on this?
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Pete
Pete
Check with your local Nissan Dealer. They have the best balancing equipment that can pretty much balance any tire. The standard rate is 45-50 bucks for all four tires. Discount tires charge $12.50 per tire.
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| pbeinetti |
Got the KR21's Road Force balanced today. LF was off by 1.25 oz, RF was off by 2.5 oz. Back tires were both off, one .25 and the other 1.50 oz. All 4 tires came in under the spec of 25 lbs of road force after they were balanced. Rides smooth as glass now. What a difference using the Hunter Road Force machine. Gonna have my Jeep done, next. Thanks for the advise.
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| njjoe |
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Got the KR21's Road Force balanced today.
Pete-
What did they charge to have all four wheels balanced on the Hunter machine?
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| pbeinetti |
Cost was a little over $100, including materials and tax. I checked around and that was the lowest price I could find. One place said they would balance normally, not Road Force, and if they had a problem they would use the Road Force on that tire. I opted not to do that -- rather have all tires done right at the same time. I will go back to the dealer who installed the tires and request a refund for balancing since they were not acceptable. I can show the dealer how much each tire was off, based on the Road Force read-out.
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by pbeinetti
Cost was a little over $100, including materials and tax. I checked around and that was the lowest price I could find. One place said they would balance normally, not Road Force, and if they had a problem they would use the Road Force on that tire. I opted not to do that -- rather have all tires done right at the same time. I will go back to the dealer who installed the tires and request a refund for balancing since they were not acceptable. I can show the dealer how much each tire was off, based on the Road Force read-out.
Pete
Thats a little steep for balancing. The current price at discount tire nationwide is 15 per tire. Our local Nissan dealer price is 50 bucks!
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Originally posted by muranomax
...... The current price at discount tire nationwide is 15 per tire.......
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| njjoe |
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Originally posted by muranomax
Thats a little steep for balancing. The current price at discount tire nationwide is 15 per tire. Our local Nissan dealer price is 50 bucks!
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Muranomax
You get what you pay for. The prices you quoted were most likely for "standard balancing". From everything I have heard and read, having your tires balanced on a Hunter Road Force machine is well worth the extra cost.
Hunter Road Force Measurement Systems
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Do not want to go off topic, but GM had some problem with wheels/tires supplier and many new CTS owner complained about “steering wheel shimmy”….balancing could not solve the problem. And remember we are talking also 18” wheels with low profile tires. However, after road force balancing using the Hunter machine the problems were solved!
I know it is more expensive but it is worth it. I cannot stand vibration from wheels when I know it is easily solvable. A few extra $$ is buying you a long and a nice ride……I had it done on the Murano once and I have to say it was worth evey penny.... |
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| Road Force balancing, I found, is quite a lot more expensive -- hard to believe discount Tire does it for $15 per tire. But, maybe they do. I'll check them for my Jeep. Here in WI where I'm visiting the cost for standard balancing is $40, and $89.95 for Road Force balancing. I saw on Ebay someone selling a Hunter Road Force machine -- said he bought it for $18,000. Guy selling it said you can charge a lot more for balancing with Road Force because of the results. |
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| zebelkhan |
| My local America's Discount Tire store quoted $30 per tire for Roadforce balance. He said the additional cost is due to the fact that the machine will often force them to dismount and remount tires to properly locate them on the rim. |
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| I understand that there are 2 phases to Road Force balancing. The first is to dismount tires and remount to match the highs and lows of the tire and rim. The second phase is then to balance the tires. My guess is that some shops skip the 1st phase IF the road force is within reason -- something they can force balance without having to remount tires. If the road force is not below a predetermined pound spec, the tires must be remounted to eliminate the highs and lows as much as possible. For the Murano tire the pound spec is 24 pounds. Mine came in at 22 pounds or less, so they were all OK. I'm not sure if any tires needed to be remounted. The standard amount of time used by shops to Road Force tires is 2 hours. My guess is that it takes less time in some cases, and sometimes more. |
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| muranomax |
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Originally posted by Kris
Is this for road force balancing?
Thats what I paid at Discount Tires for balancing the four tires. This was done after the local tire guy had tried twice and failed to correct the problem. Discount tires got me in and out within 15-20 minutes and my ride was smooth as silk. I did not see what they were doing but I assumed that they used the Hunter Roadforce machine as thats all they have! I checked with Crown Nissan in Greensboro, they have the exact same equipment and their price as of to-day is $59.95 to balance all four tires. I dont think its right to charge more just because you use a better machine. The reality is it takes less time and less weight to balance the tires and hence it should cost less! 100 bucks or more for balancing! Now thats what I call a rip-off.
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Originally posted by muranomax
I dont think its right to charge more just because you use a better machine. The reality is it takes less time and less weight to balance the tires and hence it should cost less! 100 bucks or more for balancing! Now thats what I call a rip-off.
muranomax-
It is not a rip-off. It is economics. The Hunter Road Force machine is significantly more expensive to purchase than a "standard" balancing balance. The dealers need to charge more per tire to recover their initial costs. It is not a rip-off. It is economics.
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