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post #1 of 141 Old 11-23-2004, 09:56 PM Thread Starter
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MO is getting new shoes tomorrow..........Yokohama Geolandars.......will post "first impressions" tomorrow night.




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Cannot wait to hear your report, Kris.




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Question 255/55R18 vs. 265/60R18 ?

Kris, I assume you got the H/T-S. I, too am looking at these tires after deliberating whether to put dedicated snows on or a really, really good all-season snow performer. This tire rates extremely high in many areas, especially snow traction. With the stock Goodyears at 30.03" diameter, Did you go with the 255/55R18 [email protected] 29.1" diameter and 8.7" tread width or the 265/[email protected] 30.5" and 8.4" tread width?

The larger diameter should result in slightly less miles showing on the odometer over time, vs. the oppposite with an undersized diameter. I do a lot of driving (now @ 75,000 km) and don't want to depreciate my MO faster than necessary.

<font color=chocolate>SOLD after 170,000 trouble free kilometers and replaced it with a Lexus GS450H (339 HP hybrid). Gone but not forgotten!

</font> 2003 SL Sunlit Copper / (formerly) Black Cloth / Sunroof / Canadian Version / Cargo Liner / Bumper Protector

<font color=chocolate>Modifications:</font> Color Keyed Dawn Body Side Moldings / Katzkin Aftermarket "Autumn" Full Leather Interior (same as instrument illumination colour) / JWT Pop Charger / Factory Hitch / OEM HID Headlight Conversion / SE Rims finished in Millenium Black Chrome by LA Wheel and Tire / Toyo Proxes ST 255/60/18 High Performance Summer Tires, (awesome!)

<font color=chocolate>Winter:</font> 2004 350Z 17" - 6 spoke Winter Rims / 235/65/17 Continental 4x4 WinterContact Performance Snow Tires
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Ok, as promised the first impressions.

Went with Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S, 265/60-18. My other choice was Kumho but what swayed me was Tire Rack rating for ride comfort and noise. In these categories the Yokos score was higher. And I do appreciate a nice quiet ride.

Looking for a tire supplier I elected to go with a local one, even though I could get them cheaper from Tire Rack. I just did not want to wait and have all the hassles. My choices were Discount Tire and Kauffman Tire. Then yesterday, I heard about Buttler Tire here in Atlanta. Called them and made appointment for this morning. They quoted me $775 for 4 tires fitted, with lifetime balance and rotation free of charge. So I went for it. Now the good things – I realized only after I got there that they are targeting luxury cars – BMW, MB, Porsche etc. The service was extremely friendly and knowledgeable. Very clean front desk, display, sitting area and of course the workshop. And there is no compressed air! All tires were mounted using hand torque wrenches!!! I really like it. And I do not mind paying a little bit extra for such a service. It is worth it. When time comes the FX will go out there as well. As an add on they checked alignment – it was out! So for extra $89.95 I had it done. See results here

Alignment

Now how are the new tires – I did not have time to really drive them. Just drove back home some 20 miles in a nasty rainy weather. However, the car drives differently. Is quieter, keeps straight line much better. I can feel how responsive the steering is now. I went round one of the bend at 55 mph (when dry I used to go 50 mph out there) and it was wet and raining – did not even noticed. The car was like on glue. Even body roll somehow disappeared. My wife who drives the FX took the MO for a couple of miles trial. First thing she said, after only 100 yards was: this car drives like an FX! So it is the testimony to the new tires.

In summary, I am happy so far. I hope they will last for at least 35k miles.




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08 CTS 304 HP Direct Injection Engine. Fully loaded with every option except AWD
04 FX35, AWD, Touring loaded, Garmin Nuvi 3590LMT, Fumoto oil valve
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Thanks for the update Kris, I am going to price out the same size at my local dealer in C$ and will advise the forum as soon as I do.

<font color=chocolate>SOLD after 170,000 trouble free kilometers and replaced it with a Lexus GS450H (339 HP hybrid). Gone but not forgotten!

</font> 2003 SL Sunlit Copper / (formerly) Black Cloth / Sunroof / Canadian Version / Cargo Liner / Bumper Protector

<font color=chocolate>Modifications:</font> Color Keyed Dawn Body Side Moldings / Katzkin Aftermarket "Autumn" Full Leather Interior (same as instrument illumination colour) / JWT Pop Charger / Factory Hitch / OEM HID Headlight Conversion / SE Rims finished in Millenium Black Chrome by LA Wheel and Tire / Toyo Proxes ST 255/60/18 High Performance Summer Tires, (awesome!)

<font color=chocolate>Winter:</font> 2004 350Z 17" - 6 spoke Winter Rims / 235/65/17 Continental 4x4 WinterContact Performance Snow Tires
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Kris, please let us know how you feel about the braking capability of the Geolanders.

The ONLY negative that I've heard or read anywhere (I think it came from a Honda Pilot forum) about the tires is some people feel the their braking distances lengthened from where they were previously.

If you can confirm they're comparable, then I'll probably go with them as well since I definitely want something else for the winter (and next spring).
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Just got back from a short drive - the wet traction is better thay GDY, the braking - I think is at least on par with the OEM. In a few days i will update the review.




had: 03 MO SL, Gold, 2WD, Premium, leather, sunroof, Mobil 1, B-Quiet, Garmin Nuvi 250W, Fumoto oil valve, HIR's in fogs
08 CTS 304 HP Direct Injection Engine. Fully loaded with every option except AWD
04 FX35, AWD, Touring loaded, Garmin Nuvi 3590LMT, Fumoto oil valve
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dklanecky, I was concerned about these factors as well, but in comparison the stock Goodyear Eagles got the following ratings through tirerack with 20,036,994 miles logged in:

HANDLING RATING 6.80
DRY TRACTION 7.4
WET TRACTION 6.2
SNOW TRACTION 5.5
RIDE COMFORT 6.8
NOISE COMFORT 6.3
WEAR 5.8

While the Geolanders have the following stats (granted, with only 332,470 miles logged):

HANDLING RATING 8.70
DRY TRACTION 9.1
WET TRACTION 8.9
SNOW TRACTION 7.9
RIDE COMFORT 8
NOISE COMFORT 8.2
WEAR 7.9

Seems like no competition at all to me.

<font color=chocolate>SOLD after 170,000 trouble free kilometers and replaced it with a Lexus GS450H (339 HP hybrid). Gone but not forgotten!

</font> 2003 SL Sunlit Copper / (formerly) Black Cloth / Sunroof / Canadian Version / Cargo Liner / Bumper Protector

<font color=chocolate>Modifications:</font> Color Keyed Dawn Body Side Moldings / Katzkin Aftermarket "Autumn" Full Leather Interior (same as instrument illumination colour) / JWT Pop Charger / Factory Hitch / OEM HID Headlight Conversion / SE Rims finished in Millenium Black Chrome by LA Wheel and Tire / Toyo Proxes ST 255/60/18 High Performance Summer Tires, (awesome!)

<font color=chocolate>Winter:</font> 2004 350Z 17" - 6 spoke Winter Rims / 235/65/17 Continental 4x4 WinterContact Performance Snow Tires
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It may have been listed elsewhere in the thread, but what size did you get Kris?




2003 Midnight Blue SE AWD w/VDC
Colgan Bra, Mobil One, JWT POP charger
PAC aux input adapter, hardwired Escort Passport x50, KUDA mount for MP3 player, Porterfield R4S brake pads (now Akebono ProACT), ATE Superblue
Yokohama Envigor (much improved over stock Goodyears)
Lots of squeaks and rattles.
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Frustrated........

I went to but three sets of tires today for the Mo, my wifes Audi A4 and my employees Mazda B3000. The Yokohama Geolander HT/S's are on indefinite backorder in Canada, for both suitable sizes. At least I was able to get Bridgestone Blizzak DM-Z2's for the Mazda, and Michelin X-Ice for the Audi. I wanted dedicated winters for them.

I will have to see if anyone has remaining stock on the Yokos in Toronto, because when push comes to shove, there are really not too many really good performance all-seasons that are compatible with the stock size. I may consider crossing the border in Niagara Falls and try to get some "State side"

<font color=chocolate>SOLD after 170,000 trouble free kilometers and replaced it with a Lexus GS450H (339 HP hybrid). Gone but not forgotten!

</font> 2003 SL Sunlit Copper / (formerly) Black Cloth / Sunroof / Canadian Version / Cargo Liner / Bumper Protector

<font color=chocolate>Modifications:</font> Color Keyed Dawn Body Side Moldings / Katzkin Aftermarket "Autumn" Full Leather Interior (same as instrument illumination colour) / JWT Pop Charger / Factory Hitch / OEM HID Headlight Conversion / SE Rims finished in Millenium Black Chrome by LA Wheel and Tire / Toyo Proxes ST 255/60/18 High Performance Summer Tires, (awesome!)

<font color=chocolate>Winter:</font> 2004 350Z 17" - 6 spoke Winter Rims / 235/65/17 Continental 4x4 WinterContact Performance Snow Tires
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Kris had this for sizing info on his post on page five of this thread.

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H/T-S, 265/60-18
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Hope thats the info you were searching for.

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OK, put around 150 miles in different driving conditions and did some testing. Below is the update.

1. Some of you asked about pictures. Here they are. The first one is a side view and the second one shows the threat. I prefer the clean look of the GDY but it is personal so I will not comment on this one.





2. Ride. Yesterday, I drove a few miles in dry condition to check how the tires would perform. The ride was on a rough side. Actually I could feel all imperfections in the road. I wasn’t impressed. Then I realized than even though FX is 400 pounds heavier Infiniti recommends 32 psi pressure all around. So I went from 36psiF and 35psiR to 32psi all around. The ride has improved a lot. Cornering suffered a little bit though not that much. It still was better than the GDY.

3. Traction. Both dry as well as wet tractions appear to be similar to GDY as is braking capability. I still can spin tires on dry surface (I have FWD).

So far I am not very impressed. I did a lot of research, as I wanted a good, nice tire that was quiet and had nice ride. I looked at different ratings on different sites. Everybody was raving about how reliable Tire Rack is. So I went for it. Actually, I had reservations as the Yokohamas are defined as light track/SUV tires. Not passengers tires. However, all the respondents were very pleased with them so I thought there must have been a merit in it. I was wrong. This tires are truck tires. Maybe for somebody who drives truck they are OK. I went for Murano for its quality of ride and capable handling. The ride is gone. No more “gliding”. Oh, and they are noisier as well except in heavy rain when they do seem to perform better. Below is the Tires Rack rating and mine. This is how I see these tires so far. Where are the questions marks I simply have no enough information to give a scoring.



In summary, if one does not mind a rough ride this tire probably will be OK. However, if one wants to retain the quality of Murano ride, you need to look somewhere else. I am pretty sure it has to be passenger car tire. In the end it seems that the OEM GDY wasn’t that bad.

PS. This is still only first impression. I may change some rating later. However, I know right now that FX will go with OEM Bridgestone and once worn the Yokos will be replaced with either GDY or something similar (Grand Touring Tire).




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08 CTS 304 HP Direct Injection Engine. Fully loaded with every option except AWD
04 FX35, AWD, Touring loaded, Garmin Nuvi 3590LMT, Fumoto oil valve
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Thanks for a most objective review.
I actually expected this.
I couldn't see the absurdly high ratings for the GEOs.
I also figured you would tell it like it is.

I have never trusted the Tire Rack ratings.
They are not done by Pros, but are done by every acne faced teenager who bot new tires.


Will the Tire Rack take them back?
Might be worth a call.

I intend to look into Super Touring tires when the time comes.


Again, thanks for a very honest review.

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Homer,
Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it.

I did not purchase these tires from Tire Rack. I got them from a local shop and they were my choice. I just will treat it as “cost of experience”. It gives me a good opportunity to “drive a hell out of them”……

I am not saying, these are bad tires. I cannot say it based on my experience and lack of data. What I am saying (Homer, I know you understand is perfectly!) they are not suitable for Murano. Murano is not a truck or a SUV, it is a passenger car and as such requires suitable tires.

I posted the test to make sure that the members of this forum get the information they deserve. We discussed in the past tires and I was guilty as well posting some Tire Rack survey results. In my humble opinion they are simply wrong. Murano owner deserve better.

If I had a real truck maybe I would go for Geolanders.

Definitely, the Murano requires passenger car tires, either touring, grand touring or performance (maybe).

Right now I can say I wish I went for the OEM. And definitely the Bridgestone Potenza would have been much better choice.

Once again, these are only my opinions. You guys make your own mind.




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08 CTS 304 HP Direct Injection Engine. Fully loaded with every option except AWD
04 FX35, AWD, Touring loaded, Garmin Nuvi 3590LMT, Fumoto oil valve
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Egads, if you wish you went with the OEMs, then the Yokos must be quite a compromise. I will brave one more winter with the Goodyears, and hope alternatives come out next year before the snow falls again.

I think the appropriate tire for the Murano would be a high performance all season tire, using Tire Rack's classifications. The premium touring tires are not aggressive enough for spirited handing, and an ultra high performance all season tire would lack snow traction.




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Colgan Bra, Mobil One, JWT POP charger
PAC aux input adapter, hardwired Escort Passport x50, KUDA mount for MP3 player, Porterfield R4S brake pads (now Akebono ProACT), ATE Superblue
Yokohama Envigor (much improved over stock Goodyears)
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