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post #16 of 57 Old 01-23-2005, 11:14 AM
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Those Tweels should be neat in the snow! Given time the "Concept" may develop into what we drive on.

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Yeah, they'd load up with ice and snow and vibrate like crazy! Even the Murano's wheels will do that.

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But this is what I drive these days... Does a 12.21 second 1/4 mile @117.7 mph.

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Probably give the Yokohama mamas a shimmy for their money. Maybe by the time they are perfected the "spokes" will be heated and teflon coated.

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Read an article by 2 auto experts and they agree that all the claimed benefits for the everyday driver are bull. Think about it. You say that you are using nitrogen or argon to stop gases (oxygen etc)from rotting the tire...what about the outside of the tire that is exposed to the nasty gases like oxygen? Hmmmm....

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TRUE TRUE, It's all BS as I tried to show giving the equation for pressure ands temp. I used ARGON mainly for FUN as I called the #1 reason. We use Argon in Hybrid Airbag inflator so I have availability to it. It's strictly novelty, It is Inert and does not oxidize the inner contact Areas of the tire or wheel etc.

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You have a fairly captive amount of gas inside the tire. Even if it was to react, once it's reacted, it's done, and the gas that's reacting will no longer be available to react!

Still a steaming load of B.S. as far as I'm concerned...

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Well, OK, think of it this way:

1) Nitrogen will leak less than regular air
2) Nitrogen will be affected less by temperature changes (anyone that has played paintball in the wintertime knows this to be true)

Right? So, using those points, they can then say this:

Once you fill up with Nitrogen to the correct pressure, it will maintain that pressure more regularly. Always being at the correct pressure gives better gas mileage, tire wear, and handling than a tire that is NOT at the correct pressure.

So, while technically there is no difference between a tire filled with Nitrogen @ 32psi and a tire filled with regular air @ 32psi, they can market the benefits of Nigrogen this way due to the side effects of simply not leaking as much.

Ever gotten a chuckle out of ads for weight-loss pills? Fine print always states that they must be combined with a diet and regular exercise. Or is that just funny to me?

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While nitrogen may have some limited benefits (that most likely cannot be observed in normal everyday driving), I do have a problem with tire shops charging for it (ok, if its $1, then fine, but not whatever they charge), since normal compressed air for your tires is FREE.




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Ever gotten a chuckle out of ads for weight-loss pills? Fine print always states that they must be combined with a diet and regular exercise. Or is that just funny to me?
It's funny when you realise what it means. It's sad when those too simple to see it, get sucked in and part with their hard-earned cash.

I recall Cheerios putting on their box "One ounce of Cheerios with four ounces of Milk, is a good source of Calcium." While I like the cerial, I often thought the marketer that felt we were too stupid to catch the deception should be smacked.

One of my favourite ones lately is Oxygen Free Copper for audiophiles... They prey on what we don't know, and use what little we do know to convince us to pay outragous prices for something that's not needed.

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I wonder if they could state the same about helium maybe they could reason, helium will decrease the "apparent" weight of your car slightly and therefore lower the rolling restance of the tires. Hmmm...I guess this would mean also decreasing the grip also...lol. I guess also maybe it would increase the safety of your because in a crash your Murano would bounce up and over the obstacle ans slowly float back down to the ground. Yet they may even state it weights less than normal air and therefore you are carrying less load in the tires, thereby by decreasing total weight and more importantly decreasing unsprung weight... heh heh heh, I guess this marketing stuff isn't so hard after all...

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Except Helium would leak out faster... (Shhhhh.......)

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While nitrogen may have some limited benefits (that most likely cannot be observed in normal everyday driving), I do have a problem with tire shops charging for it (ok, if its $1, then fine, but not whatever they charge), since normal compressed air for your tires is FREE.
Wow. Shops are CHARGING for this? The Costco Tire Center is the only place around here that I've noticed them offering nitrogen inflation (haven't looked hard, just noticed when I bought new tires for my wife's car). If your tires are purchased through Costco, they'll fill them up for free. If you've had to put a significant amount of "normal air" over time, they'll drain the tire and re-fill it entirely with nitrogen. All free of charge.

The guy working there said that if I wanted it, he'd drain and fill the tires in MY car (not costco tires) for free as well. Not sure if this was a special "because you just spent $400 buying new tires" or not.

Anyway, the point is that I do agree that the benefits are minimal, but they ARE there. But anyone that supplies nitrogen inflation shouldn't be bothering to charge for it. A "good" shop will use that purely as a "service benefit" of using their shop, not as a revenue stream.

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Wow. Shops are CHARGING for this? The Costco Tire Center is the only place around here that I've noticed them offering nitrogen inflation (haven't looked hard, just noticed when I bought new tires for my wife's car). If your tires are purchased through Costco, they'll fill them up for free. If you've had to put a significant amount of "normal air" over time, they'll drain the tire and re-fill it entirely with nitrogen. All free of charge.

The guy working there said that if I wanted it, he'd drain and fill the tires in MY car (not costco tires) for free as well. Not sure if this was a special "because you just spent $400 buying new tires" or not.

Anyway, the point is that I do agree that the benefits are minimal, but they ARE there. But anyone that supplies nitrogen inflation shouldn't be bothering to charge for it. A "good" shop will use that purely as a "service benefit" of using their shop, not as a revenue stream.

Yeah well Costco is cool! Probably my favorite place to shop.




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Q: What else would cause vibration?

A: A broken steel belt in the tire would cause vibration as well as a bent rim.

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I came into this one a little late, but in regards to Nitrogen or Argon not fluctuating much with increased temp, that would be a good thing. Because I know that in extreme driving conditions in the Z, tire pressure raises from the 35psi (cold) to at least 45 psi. I like what Grip said tho... for fun. I would love to walk up to all my friends and say "You still use air in your tires? Pshhh... I use argon...."
 
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