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post #31 of 218 Old 11-21-2005, 08:59 AM
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I've tried this Michelin on my previous vehicle (Blazer) in lieu of the Goodyears that came with the vehicle and was very disappointed.

1. The tire wore a lot quicker than the GY - I assumed it is a softer rubber. Better for dry traction and comfort ride.
2. Terrible traction in snow and rain compared to the GY. I found that I was slipping in both snow and rain.

I ended up going back to the GY and was happy once again with their performance and wear.

IMHO, Michelin is overrated. Excellent for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Not so excellent in wet/snow traction.

GY - very good for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Excellent in wet/snow traction.

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I've tried this Michelin on my previous vehicle (Blazer) in lieu of the Goodyears that came with the vehicle and was very disappointed.

1. The tire wore a lot quicker than the GY - I assumed it is a softer rubber. Better for dry traction and comfort ride.
2. Terrible traction in snow and rain compared to the GY. I found that I was slipping in both snow and rain.

I ended up going back to the GY and was happy once again with their performance and wear.

IMHO, Michelin is overrated. Excellent for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Not so excellent in wet/snow traction.

GY - very good for dry traction, performance, and comfort ride. Excellent in wet/snow traction.

Are you talking about the Goodyear Eagle LS??

Hard to believe someone could say that about the Murano stocker tires (which I think are terrible).




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Eric,

I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.

Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60.




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Eric,

I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.

Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60.
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I am with you on this one as I have tried other tires( Michellin, Dunlop, Contiental) and I have always returned to to Goodyear. I to will go back to the Eagle LS until Goodyear come up with another tire to fit.

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Eric,

I think you underrate the GY EAGLE LS. They are not bad for the price offering good compromise between ride, dry and wet performance, steering response and longevity.

Unless there is a suitable passenger car tire replacement I wills tick with GY. Other alternative would be Bridgestone Potenza RE92, but at $1,300 fitted they are certainly pricey. Look great though at 265/18 – 60.
That may be true. Until I try a few other tires and confirm it, I won't know for sure though. Just having used the stock Eagles, I am not that impressed with them, but maybe I am expecting too much on the handling side for the Murano.




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Eric,

Murano is closer to a luxury sedan, or a cruiser than performance car. This is one reason that my next car most likely be something like M35/45. Given the characteristic of the Murano I believe that the OEM tires are very good choice. I simply do not see better replacement at that size and for that money. Again it is only my opinion….




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That may be true. Until I try a few other tires and confirm it, I won't know for sure though. Just having used the stock Eagles, I am not that impressed with them, but maybe I am expecting too much on the handling side for the Murano.
Eric,

If you are simply comparing the "handling" of this tire on dry surfaces, than yes, you are right - you can most likely find a better tire that will out-handle the GY.

But, if you are looking for a decent tire that can produce good traction/handling in the snow and rain as well as the dry (like most of us in the northeast that require this) - than I would strongly recommend the GY (LS or any other model from Goodyear).

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I actually find the Eagle LS's dry traction to be their best attribute. Wet is okay, but ice/snow is downright dangerous. Just my experience. Like I said in my response to Kris, I may be proven wrong if other tires I try out turn out to be worse.




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I do not care about snow/ice traction - no snow in Atlanta! And I do think dry traction of the LS is pretty good. What I do like about them is the nice ride. No SUV/Truck tire is going to provide it. Performance wise - I wil get a different car!

Eric,
I just wish you well with your choice of tires. I do not want anybody go through some s.........as I did with Yokohamas....




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As I live in a snow belt and going in the mountains any chance I get, I do not find that I have traction problem in the MO. I drive to conditions and everything works out.

Of course it doesn't hurt when we get a Chinook(weather phenom) here during the winter.

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For you guys who haven't even driven on the CT's yet. I suggest saving your deductions until you have. To pigeonhole all Michelins into 1 box is not a fair thing to do. The Mo is not a sports car and I would never drive it like one. I've owned everything from Porsche's to Z's to RX-7's and this aint one of them!

We are getting soaked with rain today and I can now report on the CT performance in the rain.

TONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! better grip and performance than my stock GY's ever had. The Gy's would get pretty squirrly on me in the rain. The CT's stuck to the curves today like I've never experienced in the MO before. I have a couple of very tight, twisty, hilly roads I drive every day. I used to have drive with extreme caution on these roads cause of the amount of contact loss the GY's would cause (even when they had alot more tread than they had when I got rid of them). Today was like heaven. No slippage at all.
Given the tread design I expect that the snow performance to be just as exemplary.

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1. I never said Michelin tires are bad, quite opposite.

2. I understand MO is not a sports car and as such doe not require performance tires.

3. I anjoy nice ride in the Murano on stock tires.

4. What about steering response, ride quality, noise of CT'S?

These are imprtant factors to me beside wet and dry traction (you can always adjust your speed to the conditions though you cannot change harsh drive on truck tire).




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I have no doubt that the CT's will be decent tires for the Murano. Honda Pilot and Acura MDX owners rave about this tire, and our vehicles have the same handling traits as the Pilot and MDX.

I just believe its better to have a tire which far exceeds the handling capabilities of a vehicle than one that falls short of the limits. As such, I would not choose anything less than a T-rated tire. Speed rating generally relates directly with a tire's performance in dry and wet (but not snow or ice).

Michelin will make a 104T rated tire for the Murano in CT's soon, an email I received recently from Michelin estimates Feb 2006.




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I just replaced my GY with GY at a net of about $90/ tire installed. At that price, I wouldn't even consider looking elswhere. At $150, I might have.
BTW: I replaced the GY at 31000 miles, half worn.
As stated in a previous post, the new GY are much quieter, smoother riding and better roadholding than the 3 yr old ones. They deteriorate so gradually, you don't realize how bad they have gotten until you replace them.

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I just replaced my GY with GY at a net of about $90/ tire installed. At that price, I wouldn't even consider looking elswhere. At $150, I might have.
BTW: I replaced the GY at 31000 miles, half worn.
As stated in a previous post, the new GY are much quieter, smoother riding and better roadholding than the 3 yr old ones. They deteriorate so gradually, you don't realize how bad they have gotten until you replace them.
Good point ekaxel. Perhaps the varying opinion of the Eagles are because people are at different levels of wear (and performance) on those tires.




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