LED taillight upgrade (04 to 06)

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tqt

Discussion Starter · Jan 18, 2006

I was thinking about upgrading the taillights on the 04 to the LED ones on the 06's. How does the 06 unit light up? Does every bulb light up when you brake and is their a dedicated segment just meant for the turn signals? Or is it set up like the Infiniti FX's? Can someone with an 06 check this out?

This can determine how simple or difficult it can be to do a swap.

(As you may know, on the 03-05, the taillight is segmented into 3 sections one for the brakes, one for the turn signal, and one for the wedge bulb.)

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Warhammer

· #161 · Jun 18, 2009

Usman...you could be from anywhere in the world and we'll treat you with the same respect and attention as any other member.

I don't really like to get involved in international politics. As far as I'm concerned, as long as your blood runs red and you consider yourself human, you're good in my book. :29:

Welcome to the club! I hope you get your new LED tail lamp assemblies to work!

Sami

· #162 · Jun 18, 2009

thank u ... and thank u ...and thank u so much...

player90247

· #163 · Jun 18, 2009

Welcome Sami. . . .

Sami

· #164 · Jun 18, 2009

my car Pic..

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Sami

· #165 · Jun 18, 2009

interior

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Sami

· #166 · Jun 18, 2009

thank u so much player..

kkanuck

· #167 · Dec 22, 2009

Re: Orange Flashers?

ausmo said:
Attached below is the arse end of my Aussie Murano, which also has orange turn indicators.

Our version though is tinted so it seems to blend in a bit more.

What do you guys reckon?

A

Does anyone know by chance if you can go backwards easily, what I mean is..... use the 3 piece jewel tail light from a Canadian / USA 03-05 model in a LED equipped 2006 USA / Canadian model??

We have shipped our Murano to Europe (Hungary) and the LED tail lights are not legal compliance over there, so we have to modify it backwards.

European Murano orange tail lights and also the current tail lights are built different then US - the upper part is dual filament bulb (5W marker +21W for brake), and the lower part is orange turn bulb (21W)...

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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Warhammer

· #168 · Dec 22, 2009

Nobody has gone from the LED assembly to the bulbed assembly before as far as I know. I'm assuming you would have to buy the bulbed assemblies and build a cirucit that would drive the bulbs.

I'm an electrical engineer myself and could probably help you out but I don't have a MO that comes with the LED tail lights. You'll have to find or figure out what signals and levels are that drive the LED assembly (i.e. turn, stop, running, etc.), figure out the electrical characteristics of the bulbed assembly, and then design/assemble a circuit to drive it.

Sounds like fun to me...but I would need more info to help out.

kkanuck

· #169 · Dec 22, 2009

Warhammer said:
Nobody has gone from the LED assembly to the bulbed assembly before as far as I know. I'm assuming you would have to buy the bulbed assemblies and build a cirucit that would drive the bulbs.

I'm an electrical engineer myself and could probably help you out but I don't have a MO that comes with the LED tail lights. You'll have to find or figure out what signals and levels are that drive the LED assembly (i.e. turn, stop, running, etc.), figure out the electrical characteristics of the bulbed assembly, and then design/assemble a circuit to drive it.

Sounds like fun to me...but I would need more info to help out.

Thanks very much for your input, much appreciated.

Although I showed a Euro picture of murano tail light with amber in the lens, I think I could probably get away with a normal 03-05 taillight setup USA standard, no amber, just 3 piece red lens, incandescent, that would be modified to work on an LED equipped 06-08 model year, and I could probably use an amber bulb in the red standard lens potentially.

So in a nutshell, I am wondering about going backwards, not forwards like the rest here, due to this Euro issue....

Cheers,

Warhammer

· #170 · Dec 22, 2009

Well...first verify with the powers that be what direction you can go and then you can start the modification. It also might be worth calling up the main Nissan dealership in Hungary to see what they can do for you. They should at least be able to sell you the correct tail lamp assemblies with the bulbs and sockets. Afterwards, you would need to electrically characterize the bulbs and go from there.

I'm hoping that the Hungarian government will at least let your MO into the country with the condition you'll revert the LED tail lamps back to bulbs within a certain timeframe. If they keep it at the border and won't let you work on it, you're pretty much screwed.

kkanuck

· #171 · Dec 22, 2009

Warhammer said:
Well...first verify with the powers that be what direction you can go and then you can start the modification. It also might be worth calling up the main Nissan dealership in Hungary to see what they can do for you. They should at least be able to sell you the correct tail lamp assemblies with the bulbs and sockets. Afterwards, you would need to electrically characterize the bulbs and go from there.

I'm hoping that the Hungarian government will at least let your MO into the country with the condition you'll revert the LED tail lamps back to bulbs within a certain timeframe. If they keep it at the border and won't let you work on it, you're pretty much screwed.

The 2006 Murano is already in Hungary, and has been for a year with Canadian registration insured with an American firm out of FL for liability coverage in Europe, however they will not renew this policy when it expires in August 2010, so that is why it will now need to be registered in Hungary officially, and for that to happen, this tail light compliance will be a holdup unless it is sorted out.

We have not registered it in Hungary before now as the duties are like $15K due to the large engine size (in European standards that is) and it seemed like a lot of money just to get registration, but now that the insurance carrier is halting Euro policies to all, we are in this position of no other options.

The dealer in Hungary is astronomically priced with any parts, and that is why I am trying to collect parts in the USA (I reside in Atlanta, GA) while my parents live in Hungary, and it is for them I am doing this legwork....

So there is time, and I will hope to get to the bottom of what I need to do to rectify this situation....

Cheers,

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wastinu

· #172 · Mar 28, 2010

I finally had some time this weekend to complete this project and wanted to post my thanks to protonz for all his efforts in creating the white paper.

Thanks protonz!!!! :6:

I'm lovin' the LEDs!!!!!!

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mErO

· #173 · Apr 7, 2011

Hi guys

I am pleased to join your valued forum as a new MO owner. I have purchased 06 last month and unfortunately it did not come with LED tail lights. I figured out that, in my country, LED comes only with 2007 and onward; while it is not a standard feature and we have to order it. So, do you think the "plug and play" would work with me if i need to upgrade them to LED or i still have to develop the combination.

I would appreciate your responses

IslandNismo

· #174 · Apr 25, 2011

^^^ spam

danf

· #175 · May 14, 2011

Hi everyone,
I have made a shocking discovery with this instal and since the original poster has not replied to my attempted communication I might as well go public with it. the 1 wire wound resistor used in the circuitry for the turn signals (RESISTOR, 10 OHM, 10W, 5%) is not within spec for this system. Doing the math it comes out to about 15W flowing through the resistor. It should be a 20watt or higher and preferrably an external mounted one. I found the resistor to become WAY to hot and started melting the plastic housing. Also when I used a temp gun it exceeded the safe operating temperature of the resistor. I have ordered new external mounted ones from mouser
RH02510R00HE02 Vishay/Dale Wirewound Resistors - Chassis Mount
Once they arrive I will instal them and report back. But to who ever has them installed at the moment please go out and check to see if your car is ok.

NOTE:This only happens when the turn signals are on everything else will work fine

johng35

· #176 · Aug 22, 2011

taillight upgrade

Does anyone have know who would be interested in building these LED control units for me. Please contact me with any info.
2004 MURANO SL TAILLIGHT UPGRADE TOO 2006 LED TAILLIGHTS

danf

· #177 · Sep 18, 2011

Hi everyone,
new update from my end. I have chosen to go with a higher wattage wire wound resistor for the simple fact that the 25W and the 50W just simply get to hot for my liking. I have decided on a 100W 10OHM resistor. After rebuilding my modules because i suspected several damaged parts from overheating and missing a jumper wire from the start the system now functions properly. With the lack of my time I have had very limited time to play with this hence my long response time.

JohnG35-I am not willing to build the modules for other people because there has been to much hit and miss with this along my learning path. Who knows what will happen during shipping and I am not willing to take that risk. Sorry bout that

thank

Dan

danf

· #178 · Sep 25, 2011

New update once again. After having both installed and thinking they were good I have been dissapounted yet once again. Going back to the turn signals again still having some issues. When both led's are hooked up the turn signals only function when the brakes are applied. After extensive testing I beleive to have found the problem and the fix. Both rear taillights (brake lights) are connected together on the same power line and when 1 of the 2 factory halogen brake bulbs are not hooked up the led tails will not work when the turn signals are on. I checked the resistance in the bulb when the bulb is off and came up with 6ohms. I rigged up my own little test wires and hooked up both leds with a stock brake lamp bulb hooked in and managed to get everything working as it should. Now I am still working on testing the system but I will keep you all updated

danf

· #179 · Oct 26, 2011

Hello everyone. Here is the final modifications and changes that have been made and this system is functioning 100% properly as proposed to be
I had to build the control modules 2 times because some things were missed the first time causing the circuits to go hay wire
Canges to take in account:
1) used-RESISTOR, 10 OHM, 10W, 5%- has been replaced with a 100w 6 Ohm wire wound resistor (1 for each side will be needed)
Problem
Resistor was getting SUPER hot almost melting the housing of the circuit when the turn signals were acivated

Solution
after some number crunching found the proper sized resistor needed to be used and replaced it. Resistor is now externally mounted due to its size. Problem has been rectified.

2) add on- You will need a 11 Ohm 300W(i chose this wattage to be safe as the brakes get used alot) wire wound rsistor that will get tapped in to the factory ground and brake light signal

Explanation and procedure of getting turn signals to work without brake lamps on
I hooked up one factory taillamp and one LED taillamp and the system was functioning as it should. If only the 1 LED lamp was connected and no taillamp on the other side the led would not flash either. Now when the second LED was added in to the mix the signals only worked when the brakes were applied same as the single LED lamp assembly.

What i found
I found that with both LED taillamps installed the resistance was just simply to low and there for when the brakes are not applied the turn signals will not work. But because there is a simulated load in the system there will be no indication of a failed bulb. To prevent this problem from happening.

What I did to fix this problem.
I measured the resistance across the bulb and found 6 Ohms of resistance. Now as long as 1 bulb stayed hooked up with both or a single LED assembly the system would function properly.

Final solution
After some serious number crunching and purchasing a resistor, to be hooked up between the factory vehicle ground and brake signal (of the factory connector. I did it on the taillamp side to prevent cutting the factory wiring on the vehicle) of 11 Ohms and 300watts was used to rectify the problem

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johng35

· #180 · Apr 18, 2012

Hey DANF, Im aware that you are not willing too build these modules for me, but do you know maybe some one else that has build these modules and would be willing too build them for me????

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