New Tires - Yokohama Geolandars
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255/55R18 vs. 265/60R18 ?
Kris, I assume you got the H/T-S. I, too am looking at these tires after deliberating whether to put dedicated snows on or a really, really good all-season snow performer. This tire rates extremely high in many areas, especially snow traction. With the stock Goodyears at 30.03" diameter, Did you go with the 255/55R18 [email protected] 29.1" diameter and 8.7" tread width or the 265/[email protected] 30.5" and 8.4" tread width?
The larger diameter should result in slightly less miles showing on the odometer over time, vs. the oppposite with an undersized diameter. I do a lot of driving (now @ 75,000 km) and don't want to depreciate my MO faster than necessary.
Kris, I assume you got the H/T-S. I, too am looking at these tires after deliberating whether to put dedicated snows on or a really, really good all-season snow performer. This tire rates extremely high in many areas, especially snow traction. With the stock Goodyears at 30.03" diameter, Did you go with the 255/55R18 [email protected] 29.1" diameter and 8.7" tread width or the 265/[email protected] 30.5" and 8.4" tread width?
The larger diameter should result in slightly less miles showing on the odometer over time, vs. the oppposite with an undersized diameter. I do a lot of driving (now @ 75,000 km) and don't want to depreciate my MO faster than necessary.
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Ok, as promised the first impressions.
Went with Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S, 265/60-18. My other choice was Kumho but what swayed me was Tire Rack rating for ride comfort and noise. In these categories the Yokos score was higher. And I do appreciate a nice quiet ride.
Looking for a tire supplier I elected to go with a local one, even though I could get them cheaper from Tire Rack. I just did not want to wait and have all the hassles. My choices were Discount Tire and Kauffman Tire. Then yesterday, I heard about Buttler Tire here in Atlanta. Called them and made appointment for this morning. They quoted me $775 for 4 tires fitted, with lifetime balance and rotation free of charge. So I went for it. Now the good things – I realized only after I got there that they are targeting luxury cars – BMW, MB, Porsche etc. The service was extremely friendly and knowledgeable. Very clean front desk, display, sitting area and of course the workshop. And there is no compressed air! All tires were mounted using hand torque wrenches!!! I really like it. And I do not mind paying a little bit extra for such a service. It is worth it. When time comes the FX will go out there as well. As an add on they checked alignment – it was out! So for extra $89.95 I had it done. See results here
Alignment
Now how are the new tires – I did not have time to really drive them. Just drove back home some 20 miles in a nasty rainy weather. However, the car drives differently. Is quieter, keeps straight line much better. I can feel how responsive the steering is now. I went round one of the bend at 55 mph (when dry I used to go 50 mph out there) and it was wet and raining – did not even noticed. The car was like on glue. Even body roll somehow disappeared. My wife who drives the FX took the MO for a couple of miles trial. First thing she said, after only 100 yards was: this car drives like an FX! So it is the testimony to the new tires.
In summary, I am happy so far. I hope they will last for at least 35k miles.
Went with Yokohama Geolandar H/T-S, 265/60-18. My other choice was Kumho but what swayed me was Tire Rack rating for ride comfort and noise. In these categories the Yokos score was higher. And I do appreciate a nice quiet ride.
Looking for a tire supplier I elected to go with a local one, even though I could get them cheaper from Tire Rack. I just did not want to wait and have all the hassles. My choices were Discount Tire and Kauffman Tire. Then yesterday, I heard about Buttler Tire here in Atlanta. Called them and made appointment for this morning. They quoted me $775 for 4 tires fitted, with lifetime balance and rotation free of charge. So I went for it. Now the good things – I realized only after I got there that they are targeting luxury cars – BMW, MB, Porsche etc. The service was extremely friendly and knowledgeable. Very clean front desk, display, sitting area and of course the workshop. And there is no compressed air! All tires were mounted using hand torque wrenches!!! I really like it. And I do not mind paying a little bit extra for such a service. It is worth it. When time comes the FX will go out there as well. As an add on they checked alignment – it was out! So for extra $89.95 I had it done. See results here
Alignment
Now how are the new tires – I did not have time to really drive them. Just drove back home some 20 miles in a nasty rainy weather. However, the car drives differently. Is quieter, keeps straight line much better. I can feel how responsive the steering is now. I went round one of the bend at 55 mph (when dry I used to go 50 mph out there) and it was wet and raining – did not even noticed. The car was like on glue. Even body roll somehow disappeared. My wife who drives the FX took the MO for a couple of miles trial. First thing she said, after only 100 yards was: this car drives like an FX! So it is the testimony to the new tires.
In summary, I am happy so far. I hope they will last for at least 35k miles.
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Kris, please let us know how you feel about the braking capability of the Geolanders.
The ONLY negative that I've heard or read anywhere (I think it came from a Honda Pilot forum) about the tires is some people feel the their braking distances lengthened from where they were previously.
If you can confirm they're comparable, then I'll probably go with them as well since I definitely want something else for the winter (and next spring).
The ONLY negative that I've heard or read anywhere (I think it came from a Honda Pilot forum) about the tires is some people feel the their braking distances lengthened from where they were previously.
If you can confirm they're comparable, then I'll probably go with them as well since I definitely want something else for the winter (and next spring).
dklanecky, I was concerned about these factors as well, but in comparison the stock Goodyear Eagles got the following ratings through tirerack with 20,036,994 miles logged in:
HANDLING RATING 6.80
DRY TRACTION 7.4
WET TRACTION 6.2
SNOW TRACTION 5.5
RIDE COMFORT 6.8
NOISE COMFORT 6.3
WEAR 5.8
While the Geolanders have the following stats (granted, with only 332,470 miles logged):
HANDLING RATING 8.70
DRY TRACTION 9.1
WET TRACTION 8.9
SNOW TRACTION 7.9
RIDE COMFORT 8
NOISE COMFORT 8.2
WEAR 7.9
Seems like no competition at all to me.
HANDLING RATING 6.80
DRY TRACTION 7.4
WET TRACTION 6.2
SNOW TRACTION 5.5
RIDE COMFORT 6.8
NOISE COMFORT 6.3
WEAR 5.8
While the Geolanders have the following stats (granted, with only 332,470 miles logged):
HANDLING RATING 8.70
DRY TRACTION 9.1
WET TRACTION 8.9
SNOW TRACTION 7.9
RIDE COMFORT 8
NOISE COMFORT 8.2
WEAR 7.9
Seems like no competition at all to me.
Frustrated........
I went to but three sets of tires today for the Mo, my wifes Audi A4 and my employees Mazda B3000. The Yokohama Geolander HT/S's are on indefinite backorder in Canada, for both suitable sizes. At least I was able to get Bridgestone Blizzak DM-Z2's for the Mazda, and Michelin X-Ice for the Audi. I wanted dedicated winters for them.
I will have to see if anyone has remaining stock on the Yokos in Toronto, because when push comes to shove, there are really not too many really good performance all-seasons that are compatible with the stock size. I may consider crossing the border in Niagara Falls and try to get some "State side" :banghead:
I went to but three sets of tires today for the Mo, my wifes Audi A4 and my employees Mazda B3000. The Yokohama Geolander HT/S's are on indefinite backorder in Canada, for both suitable sizes. At least I was able to get Bridgestone Blizzak DM-Z2's for the Mazda, and Michelin X-Ice for the Audi. I wanted dedicated winters for them.
I will have to see if anyone has remaining stock on the Yokos in Toronto, because when push comes to shove, there are really not too many really good performance all-seasons that are compatible with the stock size. I may consider crossing the border in Niagara Falls and try to get some "State side" :banghead:
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OK, put around 150 miles in different driving conditions and did some testing. Below is the update.
1. Some of you asked about pictures. Here they are. The first one is a side view and the second one shows the threat. I prefer the clean look of the GDY but it is personal so I will not comment on this one.
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2. Ride. Yesterday, I drove a few miles in dry condition to check how the tires would perform. The ride was on a rough side. Actually I could feel all imperfections in the road. I wasn’t impressed. Then I realized than even though FX is 400 pounds heavier Infiniti recommends 32 psi pressure all around. So I went from 36psiF and 35psiR to 32psi all around. The ride has improved a lot. Cornering suffered a little bit though not that much. It still was better than the GDY.
3. Traction. Both dry as well as wet tractions appear to be similar to GDY as is braking capability. I still can spin tires on dry surface (I have FWD).
So far I am not very impressed. I did a lot of research, as I wanted a good, nice tire that was quiet and had nice ride. I looked at different ratings on different sites. Everybody was raving about how reliable Tire Rack is. So I went for it. Actually, I had reservations as the Yokohamas are defined as light track/SUV tires. Not passengers tires. However, all the respondents were very pleased with them so I thought there must have been a merit in it. I was wrong. This tires are truck tires. Maybe for somebody who drives truck they are OK. I went for Murano for its quality of ride and capable handling. The ride is gone. No more “gliding”. Oh, and they are noisier as well except in heavy rain when they do seem to perform better. Below is the Tires Rack rating and mine. This is how I see these tires so far. Where are the questions marks I simply have no enough information to give a scoring.
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In summary, if one does not mind a rough ride this tire probably will be OK. However, if one wants to retain the quality of Murano ride, you need to look somewhere else. I am pretty sure it has to be passenger car tire. In the end it seems that the OEM GDY wasn’t that bad.
PS. This is still only first impression. I may change some rating later. However, I know right now that FX will go with OEM Bridgestone and once worn the Yokos will be replaced with either GDY or something similar (Grand Touring Tire).
1. Some of you asked about pictures. Here they are. The first one is a side view and the second one shows the threat. I prefer the clean look of the GDY but it is personal so I will not comment on this one.
2. Ride. Yesterday, I drove a few miles in dry condition to check how the tires would perform. The ride was on a rough side. Actually I could feel all imperfections in the road. I wasn’t impressed. Then I realized than even though FX is 400 pounds heavier Infiniti recommends 32 psi pressure all around. So I went from 36psiF and 35psiR to 32psi all around. The ride has improved a lot. Cornering suffered a little bit though not that much. It still was better than the GDY.
3. Traction. Both dry as well as wet tractions appear to be similar to GDY as is braking capability. I still can spin tires on dry surface (I have FWD).
So far I am not very impressed. I did a lot of research, as I wanted a good, nice tire that was quiet and had nice ride. I looked at different ratings on different sites. Everybody was raving about how reliable Tire Rack is. So I went for it. Actually, I had reservations as the Yokohamas are defined as light track/SUV tires. Not passengers tires. However, all the respondents were very pleased with them so I thought there must have been a merit in it. I was wrong. This tires are truck tires. Maybe for somebody who drives truck they are OK. I went for Murano for its quality of ride and capable handling. The ride is gone. No more “gliding”. Oh, and they are noisier as well except in heavy rain when they do seem to perform better. Below is the Tires Rack rating and mine. This is how I see these tires so far. Where are the questions marks I simply have no enough information to give a scoring.
In summary, if one does not mind a rough ride this tire probably will be OK. However, if one wants to retain the quality of Murano ride, you need to look somewhere else. I am pretty sure it has to be passenger car tire. In the end it seems that the OEM GDY wasn’t that bad.
PS. This is still only first impression. I may change some rating later. However, I know right now that FX will go with OEM Bridgestone and once worn the Yokos will be replaced with either GDY or something similar (Grand Touring Tire).
Thanks for a most objective review.
I actually expected this.
I couldn't see the absurdly high ratings for the GEOs.
I also figured you would tell it like it is.
I have never trusted the Tire Rack ratings.
They are not done by Pros, but are done by every acne faced teenager who bot new tires.
Will the Tire Rack take them back?
Might be worth a call.
I intend to look into Super Touring tires when the time comes.
Again, thanks for a very honest review.
Homer
I actually expected this.
I couldn't see the absurdly high ratings for the GEOs.
I also figured you would tell it like it is.
I have never trusted the Tire Rack ratings.
They are not done by Pros, but are done by every acne faced teenager who bot new tires.
Will the Tire Rack take them back?
Might be worth a call.
I intend to look into Super Touring tires when the time comes.
Again, thanks for a very honest review.
Homer
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Homer,
Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it.
I did not purchase these tires from Tire Rack. I got them from a local shop and they were my choice. I just will treat it as “cost of experience”. It gives me a good opportunity to “drive a hell out of them”……
I am not saying, these are bad tires. I cannot say it based on my experience and lack of data. What I am saying (Homer, I know you understand is perfectly!) they are not suitable for Murano. Murano is not a truck or a SUV, it is a passenger car and as such requires suitable tires.
I posted the test to make sure that the members of this forum get the information they deserve. We discussed in the past tires and I was guilty as well posting some Tire Rack survey results. In my humble opinion they are simply wrong. Murano owner deserve better.
If I had a real truck maybe I would go for Geolanders.
Definitely, the Murano requires passenger car tires, either touring, grand touring or performance (maybe).
Right now I can say I wish I went for the OEM. And definitely the Bridgestone Potenza would have been much better choice.
Once again, these are only my opinions. You guys make your own mind.
Thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it.
I did not purchase these tires from Tire Rack. I got them from a local shop and they were my choice. I just will treat it as “cost of experience”. It gives me a good opportunity to “drive a hell out of them”……
I am not saying, these are bad tires. I cannot say it based on my experience and lack of data. What I am saying (Homer, I know you understand is perfectly!) they are not suitable for Murano. Murano is not a truck or a SUV, it is a passenger car and as such requires suitable tires.
I posted the test to make sure that the members of this forum get the information they deserve. We discussed in the past tires and I was guilty as well posting some Tire Rack survey results. In my humble opinion they are simply wrong. Murano owner deserve better.
If I had a real truck maybe I would go for Geolanders.
Definitely, the Murano requires passenger car tires, either touring, grand touring or performance (maybe).
Right now I can say I wish I went for the OEM. And definitely the Bridgestone Potenza would have been much better choice.
Once again, these are only my opinions. You guys make your own mind.
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Egads, if you wish you went with the OEMs, then the Yokos must be quite a compromise. I will brave one more winter with the Goodyears, and hope alternatives come out next year before the snow falls again.
I think the appropriate tire for the Murano would be a high performance all season tire, using Tire Rack's classifications. The premium touring tires are not aggressive enough for spirited handing, and an ultra high performance all season tire would lack snow traction.
I think the appropriate tire for the Murano would be a high performance all season tire, using Tire Rack's classifications. The premium touring tires are not aggressive enough for spirited handing, and an ultra high performance all season tire would lack snow traction.
Thanks so much Kris for your objective opinion. I had made several calls in the past couple of days trying to locate a set of these Yoko's in Canada. No stock whatsoever. I am back to the drawing board, and either need some amazing all-seasons or full out snows really soon. Anyone else who has opinions, good and bad, we would all like to hear them.
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Kris,
Did you go to the Tire rack web site and review them there yet?
I think Tire Rack's surveys CAN be accurate but not until you have a LOT of miles reported, more than Homer's "acne faced teenager" kids can report.
Did you go to the Tire rack web site and review them there yet?
I think Tire Rack's surveys CAN be accurate but not until you have a LOT of miles reported, more than Homer's "acne faced teenager" kids can report.
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Great Idea save other from the same fate. It can be your good deed for the day! GRIP 
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I will go and do it.
As to the accuracy of the Tire Rack surveys - I lost trust in them. They simply are too subjective.
MO in TO,
It is up to you but given my experience I would not trust the Geolandars “snow traction” ratings. I simply do not believe that they scored that high. Before driving in tropics and now in Atlanta I used to drive in snowy condition as well. And I understand you needs. I was in Stoney Creek last January and man, -20C and 45 cm snow! Absolutely terrible. How can you survive it. Anyway, is the cost is not a constrain, I would rather have two sets of tires and rims – one for winter and one for summer.
PS. If you really want I can give you my Yokos. On the second thought no, I would not do it to a fellow MO owner.
As to the accuracy of the Tire Rack surveys - I lost trust in them. They simply are too subjective.
MO in TO,
It is up to you but given my experience I would not trust the Geolandars “snow traction” ratings. I simply do not believe that they scored that high. Before driving in tropics and now in Atlanta I used to drive in snowy condition as well. And I understand you needs. I was in Stoney Creek last January and man, -20C and 45 cm snow! Absolutely terrible. How can you survive it. Anyway, is the cost is not a constrain, I would rather have two sets of tires and rims – one for winter and one for summer.
PS. If you really want I can give you my Yokos. On the second thought no, I would not do it to a fellow MO owner.
Thanks again Kris, I have decided to buy another set of rims and go with dedicated summer and winters. I travel all over Ontario and put on about 50K per year, and cannot afford to slip and slide. The Goodyears were not too bad last winter, but only within city boundaries. Once you hit the highways, especially northern Ontario, they can get pretty scary to ride on. My current thoughts are contained in the snow tire threads, I will decide on some new performance summer tires next spring.
P.S. Thanks for retracting the offer to pass on your Yoko's
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P.S. Thanks for retracting the offer to pass on your Yoko's
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