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Talk about revolution. See this small baby:

"News: 2007 BMW 335i Coupe to Have 302-HP Turbo Six
The new 2007 BMW 335i coupe has 302 hp and 295 lb-ft of torque and breaks ground as the first turbocharged gasoline-powered BMW in decades.
BY MIKE DUSHANE
PHOTOGRAPHY BY CHRISTA LEHMANN/HIDDEN IMAGE
March 2006


The BMW 335i coupe that will appear later this year may look like nothing more than the latest chapter in the 3-series coupe book, but there are some radical changes under the skin. The 335i (the C goes away on this coupe as it did on the 650i for the 2006 model year) will have a 3.0-liter twin-turbo inline-six with piezoelectric direct injection. The symmetrical turbos are relatively small and each feed three cylinders. Power output is up only 47 hp over the normally aspirated version of the same 3.0-liter six found in the 330i, but BMW claims that turbo lag is all but avoided and — more importantly — peak torque increases 34 percent and is available from 1500 to 5800 rpm. BMW estimates that the twin-turbo setup gives the 335i's six the power and torque characteristics of a 4.0-liter V-8 with 10 percent less fuel consumption and 145 fewer pounds. BMW expects the 335i to shave more than half a second from the 330i's 0-to-60 time, which should put it in the low-five-second range — scarcely more than the outgoing E46 M3. The 335i is expected to carry a base price of approximately $42,000 when it goes on sale this summer. The 2008 M3 is expected to have a 400-hp naturally aspirated V-8 and cost $10,000 more.

Why, you ask, would BMW go to all the trouble of making this complex turbo engine when a V-8 would be a simpler and purer means to the same end? As worldwide petroleum reserves decline and prices go up, efficiency becomes paramount, even for performance and luxury vehicles. As worldwide emissions standards become increasingly strict, high-performance diesels — recently thought to be the next big thing — become less feasible. Mercedes-Benz also recently announced a piezoelectric direct-injection gasoline six which is naturally aspirated — for now. Dr. Thomas Weber, Mercedes-Benz's top engineering and development officer, confirms that turbocharged smaller-displacement engines are in Mercedes-Benz's near-term future as well. Turbos are here to stay.
 

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A turbo beemer. It's been a while since we've seen one of those.

-njjoe
 

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I don't ever remember seeing a turbo Bimmer (A Beemer is a motorcycle) except for the Diesel models.
The TDs may have all been Turbos. Tho probably not......I would bet that most were.
But I just don't remember a US spec BMW gas engined turbo model.
Has my rememberer gone on the fritz again? :2:

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Homer,

There used to be a BMW 2002 that had a turbo. The turbo model was introduced in 1973 and sold for three years. Although almost 2,000 units were produced, none were certified for the US.

I use to travel to France on a regular basis for business. My "host" had one of those coveted 2002's. It looked like hell but still drove pretty well after 20 years.

-njjoe
 

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The 335i will be nice car no doubt but on a pricey side. $42K for start. But then ahain you get BMW and 300+ HPs. Not bad. Oh, and we should not forget the handling! Eh, let's dream.......
 

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Just my 2 cents. Yea BMW are nice but too many relibilty issues. I love my Lexus IS350 this car has it all 306 HP luxery,looks performance four doors and is priced just about right. Recently I took her to my local track Moroso and she ran two runs at 13.6 at over 101 MPH I could't belive it was that fast for it being stock. O by the way I do still miss my MO. Hope everbody is fine, I check back ever once in a while, i'm usually on club lexus site.
 

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I read a review recently - MB c class, BMW 3 series and Lexus I350. In the end BMW won. The common complains was I350 was just too harsh. Somehow I prefer MB C class. I think offers perfect balance between quality, performance, handling and ride. But it is just me. Recently, I drove a rental MB C class with speed up to 130 mph on German autobahns. No problem whatsoever. And it was only a rental. I can imagine what C class AMG would do.

The IS350 is a fine car. In a few years time it will be a real threat to MB and BMW. If the price is right.
 

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Kris said:
I read a review recently - MB c class, BMW 3 series and Lexus I350. In the end BMW won. The common complains was I350 was just too harsh. Somehow I prefer MB C class. I think offers perfect balance between quality, performance, handling and ride. But it is just me. Recently, I drove a rental MB C class with speed up to 130 mph on German autobahns. No problem whatsoever. And it was only a rental. I can imagine what C class AMG would do.

The IS350 is a fine car. In a few years time it will be a real threat to MB and BMW. If the price is right.
In the most recent ROAD TRACK magazine, there is a picture of toyota testing the Lexus COupe IS500....yes IS500. It was design to compete with the new E90 3 series coupe when it comes out...
 

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Sugar,
I know you love Lexus........and I too admire Toyota for what they have done with Lexus. Just one word - soul. I still think Lexus as en excellent automoblie without a soul. Horsepower is important but there is much more to a car. And you know it (Miata!;) ).

I would go for Infiniti any time over the Lexus. These cars have it....
 

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Sugar,
I know you love Lexus........and I too admire Toyota for what they have done with Lexus. Just one word - soul. I still think Lexus as en excellent automoblie without a soul. Horsepower is important but there is much more to a car. And you know it (Miata!;) ).

I would go for Infiniti any time over the Lexus. These cars have it....
Kris, I do agree with you when you say Lexus lack "soul" :4:. I think they are trying hard to re-capture the SOUL factor with the IS. Time will tell if the other lexus models will try to do that too.

I dont like lexus as much as I like 2 seat sports car..so dont worry, I will try not to be too subjective when I mention any Lexus comparo in this forum ;) .

After all, I still smile when i drive the MO especially when I think of that extra $10K I would have spent on the RX330!
 

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Just my 2 cents. Yea BMW are nice but too many relibilty issues. I love my Lexus IS350 this car has it all 306 HP luxery,looks performance four doors and is priced just about right. Recently I took her to my local track Moroso and she ran two runs at 13.6 at over 101 MPH I could't belive it was that fast for it being stock. O by the way I do still miss my MO. Hope everbody is fine, I check back ever once in a while, i'm usually on club lexus site.
woulda guessed the comments were coming from an IS owner as soon as i read the first few words of your post, bashing BMW

hahaha...just playin'

it's a small world, up until about a week or so ago, i was a regular on Club Lexus because i was seriously considering the IS350....but now i'm looking into the Murano....go figure :D
 

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I was flamed over at Azine for not being as impressed with this motor as I guess I should have been. Oh well!! While the HP and torque delivery are nice, it seems that the Volvo S60R's single turbo 2.5L Inline 5 covers similar ground to the twin turbo 3.5L Inline 6 of the BMW N54.

The IS350 is DEFINITELY a consideration in the event I wish to trade my 02 Maxima.
 
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