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How do yuo know if they misbalanced your tires? Is there any correlation between tire balancing and steering issues?

What constitutes vibration while driving which I believe is an indicator of bad tire balance?

Also is there any long term repercussions from bad tire balance?
 

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Originally posted by pk7683
How do yuo know if they misbalanced your tires? Is there any correlation between tire balancing and steering issues?
If you can now feel a vibration through the steering wheel or are experiencing an increase in road noise then it is most likely the tires were not properly balanced.

What constitutes vibration while driving which I believe is an indicator of bad tire balance?
Vibration is sound. If the car is any noisier than before the balancing procedure then the tires were not properly balanced. Also, if you take your hands off the wheel while driving and notice it is shimmying, the tires are not properly balanced.

Also is there any long term repercussions from bad tire balance?
Yes, the tires can wear unevenly and wear-out prematurely. The vibrations can accelerate wear on suspension components. It can also compromise traction in marginal conditions.

The bottom line is this - The MO is a very smooth-driving car, don't let a less-than-perfect tire balancing procedure ruin the MO's nature. If you have any questions concerning the effectiveness of a tire balancing procedure, take it back to shop and have a rep come along with you on a test drive.

Good luck.

-njjoe
 

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It was tought

I had both a 04 and a 05 and had to go thru the same multiple efforts to get a good balance. What finally worked was:

1. Went to "Wheel Specialist's" here in Phoenix, you probably have an equivalent in your area.

2. Had the tires "trued" this is a mounting on a machine to slowly rotate them while the diameter is made constant by shaving off any high spots with a rotating blade.

3. A caring operator to balance the tires of the car on a road force balancer. Using stick on weights on the rim behind the spokes but on the flat area so centrifugal forces act to force them in place.

4. Remounting in the correct position and a final on the car balance to account for brake and other unsprung rotating parts.
 

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The road force system is where its at. Ask for the Hunter DSP9000. It does cost a bit more - but it well worth the extra money.
 

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Tire / Wheel Balancing on Murano (summary of recommendations)

Just went through exercise to balance wheels on my '03 SE and thought I would post a summary for the future benefit of all:

First, let me just say that I was AMAZED at the difference in road performance between slightly-out-of-balanced and perfectly balanced wheels on the Murano. Before, I had the sensation of going fast at 65mph, now even at 80mph it feels like I am crawling (smooth as silk).

OK, here's the summary (thanks to GripperDon and GMTURBO43 for pointing me in the right direction):

"Standard Balance" = Dynamic balance of the wheel on a machine that shows operator how much weight is needed and where to attach it on the rim.
$$ = Procedure takes about 2 minutes and costs roughly $8 per wheel.
***Consider this a COURSE adjustment
(it may solve your problem, but maybe not)

"Road Force Balance" = Dynamic balance of wheel on a machine that applies up to 1400 lbs equivalent road force during balancing procedure. Shows operator first whether tire should be rotated on rim (using non-uniformity of tire to help cancel non-uniformity of rim), then shows where weight(s) should be placed for any remaining balaning needs (under actual road loading conditions).
$$ = Procedure takes about 20 minutes and costs roughly $28 per wheel.
*** Consider this a COURSE & FINE adjustment in one.
(most likely to solve minor imbalance issues)

"Tire Truing" = Careful shaving of rubber off tire to remove high spots and/or non-uniformity.
*** NOTE: I learned that many shops in California (perhaps elsewhere as well) no longer offer tire truing because of liability concerns (voids tire warranty and makes tire shop liable for consequences of tire failure).
*** Recommend avoiding this step (road force balance should suffice)

The only remaining potential causes for wheel imbalance are nonuniformities in the Rims (which cannot be solved by tire shops but could be solved by rim manufacturer if you catch it right away) or problems with rotors (which can be solved by replacing or turning).

BOTTOM LINE: Suggest starting with the standard balance as a hedge against spending $80+ dollars additional. If that doesn't solve the problem, go with the road force balance (perhaps the tire shop will credit the initial balancing against a road force balance if it is subsequently needed).

HOW TO FIND ROAD FORCE BALANCING SHOPS???
*** I found that the equipment manufacturers may offer the best way to find a shop that does road force balancing. GMTURBO43 recommends the Hunter DSP9000. I discovered the GSP9700, and found that their website also lists all the shops that have the GSP9700 in service (go to http://www.gsp9700.com/ ).

P.S. A final comment - I was very pleased when I mentioned my wheel balance problem to my preferred Nissan Service Center - they honestly informed me that their equipment was too old and that I should go elsewhere.
 

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You can call the local Hunter rep

That's what I did and after some talking he gave me his personal opinions. The road force alone did not do it for me. The shaving was very important in my case Even when a tire is balanced if it is not round it causes a bumping ( change in axel position) as it rotates. Even after that the final on the Mo balance helped to get out the disk weight imbalances.

I was like you I want it to be smooth as actually possible. So I went all the way and it WAS worth it. As a matter of fact the young man that bought my 05 said, MY God I can't believe it none of the new ones at the show room ride like this. He thought that with all the mods I made to the "Mod MO" that I must have done something to the suspension.
 

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jdb06-

Excellent write-up. Thanx for the summary.

-njjoe
 

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There ya go - it is the 9700...

Another option on the cheap end is to have the tire shop use what's known as an ACRON adapter - you might have to explain what it is. What this does is simulate the lug pattern instead of the cone going through the hub - consider this lug centric balancing.

I only found a few shops in the Chicago aea that had the equipment to do it. It does work better than standard balancing and for me cost the same.
 

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GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT

That is a bit of what happens whenthe final on the MO balance is done.

I Still feel that for a perfect balance it take all the steps.

1. True the tire
2. Road Force Balance
3. On the Car balance.
 
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