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I'm going to be doing a spark plug change soon, as well as VCGs, PCV valve and seal, coil boots, cam sensor o-rings, intake gaskets and injector o-rings while its all apart. When I did plugs 3 years ago, I did have one spark plug with a bit of oil on it so I need to check all the plug tubes.

Most of the valve cover gaskets I've seen only have the outside gasket, but not the ones for the spark plug tubes. I do see Nissan sells the tubes, do they have gaskets installed on them?

I've seen some posts on here that the inner gaskets only come with a new valve cover?

I have seen one valve cover gasket kit that comes with 3 round gaskets, so I might order it and give it a chance. Might also try to make it to a junkyard and pull a valve cover off to see how the inner gaskets work.
 
Unfortunately, if you have a leak on the plug seal, you need to replace the entire rocker cover to fix it. It sucks major, but that is how this engine is set up. I read on either a maxima thread or z thread some guy tried to do a retrofit seal, worked for a short while but leaked again. Anyways, there is no separate seal/gasket just for the spark plugs.
 
Are you sure that a little clever crafting with silicone sealer wouldn't do it?
 
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I stopped by the junkyard yesterday to do some research. Opened up the valve cover on a 2000 Maxima, it had aluminum valve covers and the tube seals press in just like transmission output shaft seals. Then I pulled a valve cover from a 2002 Altime 2.5, plastic valve cover and cant remove the tube seals without breaking a lot of plastic. :28:

Finally found a 02 Maxima with the same VQ as the one in our Muranos. Removed the valve cover and the tube seals ARE replaceable, but only if you somehow manage to remove this large plastic plate baffle that is part of the PCV system! Once the baffle is off, the tube seals can be easily pried off and replaced. Of course, there is no easy way to then reattach it unless you use a ton of epoxy or superglue. :mad:

Seriously Nissan? Why the hell would you put a simple, easily serviceable seal inside of a plastic welded assembly?! :28: If they had left 1/4" of room around the seals, they could be replaced without problem.

I'll have to check my plugs when I do them. Took a look at the engine design and the spark tubes rise higher than the seal, so it should be impossible to oil to leak in unless there is a leak where the tube is inserted into the head.
 
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Lol bad idea to remove oil baffling!

The fix is easy, its the reattaching the baffles part that kills the deal. :( I'll have to check mine when I pull them, might just put a ring of RTV on the tubes then slide the covers on, hopefully that will be enough to get a decent seal.
 
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Somebody PM'd me about this thread, so I'll share my "solution" for the leaking seal.

I replaced the valve cover seal (the big one) and then cleaned the plug tube seals very well. Once reinstalled, I placed a bunch of RTV in the groove between the plug tube and valve cover on the leaky tube. This should help stop oil from coming up and getting into the tube. It is going on 196k miles so I doubt I'll ever do plugs again on it haha.

It may not be OE or perfect, but beats spending $200 on a new valve cover. I did replace all the coil tubes while it was apart. I also moved the coil from the leaky cylinder to the front bank, so in case it would have any issues I can easily replace them. Engine runs smooth, some stumbling here and there, no codes or misfires come up.
 
DIY spark plug tube seal replacement hack

My 2005 Murano (230k miles!) had leaky spark plug tube seals. Like all of us, I wasn't eager to pay the outrageous price for new covers just to get new seals. I used a hole saw (can't remember what diameter) to cut away just enough of the baffle to allow me to pick out the old tube seals. The old seals were hardened and cracked, and they crumbled into particles as I removed them. Definitely needed replacement!

I had to create a drilling jig using a large dowel to keep the hole saw centered. Basically just a large dowel that fits in the hole of the cover, with a hole drilled in the center for the pilot bit of the hole saw. You could try to hand-hold it, but I wasn't brave enough.

Once the old seals were removed, I cut away the mounting/alignment rings where the old seals fit onto the valve cover. I did this with a cutoff wheel in a Dremel tool. I worked slowly to make sure I didn't cut too deeply into the valve cover. You just need to remove the plastic ridge so the new seal can fit flush to the inner surface of the valve cover. This is somewhat hard to describe, but if you're doing the repair you will see exactly what I'm talking about.

With the old tube seals and their mounting rings out of the way, I thoroughly cleaned out all the plastic shavings.

I purchased new tube seals from Nissan based on research I did on various forums. Of course they don't directly fit the valve cover, but they do fit the spark plug tube. Several Nissan vehicles use the same spark plug tube size. I used a LOT of silicone to affix the new tube seals into the old valve cover. Basically I gobbed the silicone where the new seal fits in, all around the area, and into the under side of the seals. You're trying to make an airtight seal, so don't be shy with the silicone. There is a lot of clearance between the cam and the cover, so nothing to worry about there. Careful to not get silicone on the mating surface of the tube seals, or you will have trouble removing it later.

You will note that since you removed the seal attachment rings, your new tube seals will not be accurately aligned to the plug tubes. With the silicone still uncured and pliable, I oiled the seals and tubes and gently placed the valve cover into its installed position. Since the new tube seals are a tight fit to the spark plug tubes, this will cause the seals to align themselves with the tubes. Do this with one fluid motion and they tube seals will stay in place - don't lift the cover or you'll have to redo the silicone. Place a few bolts loosely into the valve cover to keep it in place, and wait for the silicone to fully cure. Don't get impatient!

Once the silicone cures, you can remove the valve cover and inspect your work. The new seals should be aligned perfectly and your valve cover should be like new. Use a new valve cover gasket and don't forget to add silicone where the FSM recommends in the corners. This is a good time to replace the vacuum hose linking the front and back covers, the hose that goes to the plastic intake thingy, and PCV valve. My vacuum hoses were hardened and they cracked when I tried to remove them.

Obviously this is a hack. But for an older car like mine, it was a no-brainer based solely on the cost of new valve covers. The repair seems to be holding just fine. No oil in the plug tubes, and it's holding vacuum well. Unfortunately for me, fixing this exposed more problems on my old Murano - but those are fixable too!

The system isn't letting me post links, so hopefully you can make sense out of me chopping up the links. Message me and I will be happy to share the whole links.
I *think* this is the part number I used (sold individually): 13276-31U21
courtesyparts-com /oem-parts/nissan-oil-filler-tube-seal-1327631u21

For reference:
youtube-com /watch?v=UjAXdjexxBw
youtube-com /watch?v=pxol34gK1OU
Drilling gig - youtube-com /watch?v=S83qVroTwE8
my350z-com /forum/maintenance-and-repair/580950-leaky-valve-gasket-oil-in-3-spark-plugs-multiple-misfires.html
 
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