[littleredbirds]

Just finished replacing the front passenger cv axle on my 07 awd murano. I'll post my experince or add to carguy's recent post later, but I have a quick question first. Need to know if this axle is in all the way. I thought the gold colored metal dust cover would sit flush, but as you can see there's a gap. Can anyone please help?

Btw, I set this hand and was able to push past the c clip.


Thanks all.

 

[Carguy75]

Congrats!!!

My dust cover have a small gap also.

I tried pushing the inner bearing closer but i still have the gap between the inner bearing cup and center bearing hub like yours.

I did not pay attention to how the dust cover was positioned when it was installed on the original axle, but I am thinking that it had the small gap on the original axle as well.

Note: I noticed that you pushed it on by hand.

I guess I could be wrong about it having to be knocked back on, however I was a little scared to push on the car while it was supported by the jack stand so maybe I will try it that way if I have to do it again.

 

[Pilgrim]

Congrats!!!

I guess I could be wrong about it having to be knocked back on, however I was a little scared to push on the car while it was supported by the jack stand so maybe I will try it that way if I have to do it again.

A side note - this should never be a concern.

When you set jackstands, you should always push on the car back and forth to confirm that it IS firmly in place and no effort you make while working on the car can alter its stability. If you feel any movement, re-position the jackstands or figure out a different way to secure the vehicle.

 

[Carguy75]

A side note - this should never be a concern.

When you set jackstands, you should always push on the car back and forth to confirm that it IS firmly in place and no effort you make while working on the car can alter its stability. If you feel any movement, re-position the jackstands or figure out a different way to secure the vehicle.

Are you serious?


Did you just say that pushing on a car supported by a jack stand is not a concern?


Well, I am always concern about working under a car supported by a jack or jack stand, and I minimize any movement to the vehicle while I am underneath it.


If my car where on a 4-point lift maybe I would push on it while working, but I do not trust jack stands that much.


I am the very cautious type, but I see what your point is about checking it stability before working under the car.


Note: It only takes the car to slip off the jack stand once while you are underneath it to ruin your day or much worst.

 

[Pilgrim]

You misunderstand - I may have phrased it poorly. I absolutely agree with you.

We should never install jackstands so that they CAN BE a concern. In this case, if you were concerned about the stability on the jackstands, then something was wrong - and they should have been re-positioned.

So I agree with you. Jackstands are critical. And they should be tested before getting under the car. If there is any doubt, don't get under it.

This wasn't meant as personal criticism, but as a general statement about safety.

 

[Carguy75]

You misunderstand - I may have phrased it poorly. I absolutely agree with you.

We should never install jackstands so that they CAN BE a concern. In this case, if you were concerned about the stability on the jackstands, then something was wrong - and they should have been re-positioned.

So I agree with you. Jackstands are critical. And they should be tested before getting under the car. If there is any doubt, don't get under it.

This wasn't meant as personal criticism, but as a general statement about safety.

No offense taken.

I understood you correctly in your posts.


I always place the jack stands securely under the car, however I am just cautious about crawling underneath a 4000lb car and causing motion to the car no matter how secure it feels when I push on it before I go under .


I just do not like the idea of the car falling on top of me I guess.


Apparently, you are not as overly concerned about that happening.

 

[Pilgrim]

I just do not like the idea of the car falling on top of me I guess.

Apparently, you are not as overly concerned about that happening.

You may understand, but you are not taking my point. I'm VERY concerned about a car falling on me.

My point is that if you're concerned about the car falling on you, then you are NOT setting up the car correctly. You should stop what you're doing, re-position the car as needed, then continue with your work.

The point: if you're concerned, STOP. Fix the problem. Then continue. Working under a car while being concerned that if you do something it may fall is not acceptable. It should never prevent you from working on it, because you should never get under a car that's not secured well enough for any work process you carry out.

I will refrain from any further discussion.

 

[Carguy75]

You may understand, but you are not taking my point. I'm VERY concerned about a car falling on me.

My point is that if you're concerned about the car falling on you, then you are NOT setting up the car correctly. You should stop what you're doing, re-position the car as needed, then continue with your work.

The point: if you're concerned, STOP. Fix the problem. Then continue. Working under a car while being concerned that if you do something it may fall is not acceptable. It should never prevent you from working on it, because you should never get under a car that's not secured well enough for any work process you carry out.

I will refrain from any further discussion.

Simple point.

I do not trust moving a car on jack stands when I am under it. Period.

It has nothing to do with correct jack stand placement, but the fact I have 4000lbs over me supported by a jack stand.

I have no problem working on the car, but I just refrain from work that requires me shaking the car while it over my head.

Just caution on my part.

Trust me, I do make sure the jack stand placement is rock solid, but it do not mean I will be shaking the car while it sit over my head.

Nuff said.

Note: Why do you start these debates?

If I do not trust shaking a car on jack stands with me underneath it, it is my call.

You are posting about improper placement, and so on.

It just simple caution on my part. Nothing more.

So lets stop high-jacking this thread with petty arguments about jack stand safety.

 

[JayS]

I'm pretty sure Carguy is never wrong. Or at least he thinks he's never wrong.

 

[littleredbirds]

Thanks for confirming CarGuy that makes me feel better!


Thanks for the safety tip Pilgrim. I agree, it's better to shake the crap out of it before you get started on it. After all, you don't necessarily have to be under the car to get hurt if it falls. I always try to be as redundant as possible. I leave my floor jack up and add the spare tire jack then place the jack stands on. Shoot I even place jack stands underneath the car when I use my ramp lifts because like CarGuy I'm paranoid about getting squashed.


So anyway, my trick to get the CV axle on by hand was to put some grease on the c clip(used the original one) to hold it in place. Put some grease on the CV axle female splines too. I made sure the c clip was perfectly centered on the shaft with the opening of the clip facing down. I then quickly put the CV axle on, making sure the splines lined up, then placed the bottom part of the palms of my hands on the edge of the cup, yes on the boots, grabbed the cup firmly with both hands and move the cup aggressively up and down only and it clicked-in in seconds! I was shocked!! It felt like I moved that thing +/-45 up and down. What ever that angle really was worked. I think the trick was centering that c clip and letting the grease hold it in place.


I had lots of challenges, completely pulled out the old cv axle out of the cup trying use it as its own slide hammer, ruined one CV axle by leaving the nut on and pounding on it. Though I had read to leave it on.... guess it was the other way around. I cross threaded that sucker. I was so pissed. Went to the auto parts store to get a new axle, drove home, and the friggin axel was bad!! I checked to make sure it was the right axle before I left the store, but didnt think to check whether it was good or not. The outer joint was stiff. Took it back and when I finally got home with the third axle ready to punch holes in all my walls it took me 30 seconds to grease up that c clip and click that baby in!!


Anyone have use for a discount CV axle that needs to be tapped? I only ruined the nut's width worth of threads where the cotter pin hole goes.

 

[Pilgrim]

I'm pretty sure Carguy is never wrong. Or at least he thinks he's never wrong.

I don't think either of us is wrong. Could be that at least one of us is missing the message.

Littlebirds, that's a VERY helpful post! I have this job coming this spring and I'm sure it will come in handy.

 

[Carguy75]

My goodness!!

Pilgrim, I understand your point about correctly positioned jack stands will be safe to work under, and if you worry about it not being safe readjust the jack stands so it will be safe.

Trust me, you made it very clear.

My point is that "I" do not trust jack stands enough to do work that involves me possibly pushing and shoving the car while I am underneath it, no matter hard firm the car seems to sit on the jack stands when I test it by shaking it.

I am not saying that something will happen, just that I do not like to work under a car on jack stands especially if I have to get a little rough under it.

Now, can we please stop this silly reference to jack stands and congratuate the OP on a job well done.

 

[Carguy75]

I'm pretty sure Carguy is never wrong. Or at least he thinks he's never wrong.

I am right about 80% of the time.:nerd:

The other 20% is a toss up, like my understanding of the circlip on the cv axle.

By the way, I am man enough to say that I was wrong.

To you JayS, I apologize for my inaccurate comments that stated that you can not push the cv axle on the circlip by hand.:redface:

 

[Carguy75]

Thanks for confirming CarGuy that makes me feel better!


Thanks for the safety tip Pilgrim. I agree, it's better to shake the crap out of it before you get started on it. After all, you don't necessarily have to be under the car to get hurt if it falls. I always try to be as redundant as possible. I leave my floor jack up and add the spare tire jack then place the jack stands on. Shoot I even place jack stands underneath the car when I use my ramp lifts because like CarGuy I'm paranoid about getting squashed.


So anyway, my trick to get the CV axle on by hand was to put some grease on the c clip(used the original one) to hold it in place. Put some grease on the CV axle female splines too. I made sure the c clip was perfectly centered with the opening of the clip facing down. I then quickly put the CV axle on, making sure the splines lined up, then placed the bottom part of the palms of my hands on the edge of the cut, yes on the boots, grabbed the cup firmly with both hands and move the cup aggressively only up and down and it clicked in in seconds! I was shocked!! It felt like I moved that thing +/-45 up and down. What ever that angle really was worked. I think the trick was centering that c clip and letting the grease hold it in place.


I had lots of challenges, completely pulled out the old cv axle out of the cup trying use it as its own slide hammer, ruined one CV axle by leaving the nut on and pounding on it. Though I had read to leave it on.... guess it was the other way around. I cross threaded that sucker. I was so pissed. Went to the auto parts store to get a new axle, drove home, and the friggin axel was bad!! I checked to make sure it was the right axle before I left the store, but didnt think to check whether it was good or not. The outer joint was stiff. Took it back and when I finally got home with the third axle ready to punch holes in all my walls it took me 30 seconds to grease up that c clip and click that baby in!!


Anyone have use for a discount CV axle that needs to be tapped? I only ruined the nut's width worth of threads where the cotter pin hole goes.

Damn. This is funny.

My old cv axle came out super easy, but the new cv axle gave me hell going in.

Your experience was the opposite.

Furthermore, we both ruined an cv axle, and got a dud from the store that had to be returned.

Live and learn.

 

[littleredbirds]

Damn. This is funny.

My old cv axle came out super easy, but the new cv axle gave me hell going in.

Your experience was the opposite.

Furthermore, we both ruined an cv axle, and got a dud from the store that had to be returned.

Live and learn.

Hear, hear man. Don't get me wrong it took me about 6 hours to get to the point where it only took me 30 seconds to pop it in! Ha! I was dead set to get that thing in by hand even thought I spent 95% of the time hammering at the end of it. Also, I didn't remove the strut. I just moved it to the side and after several hours didn't give a $h1+ about the rubber boots! They never tore, but I did put a rag between the strut and the CV axle. I think part of my problem was not being aggressive enough at first.


I had a bad day the next day too trying to change out the power steering pressure hose on my ma's accord. I may have to retire as a mechanic.

 

[Pilgrim]

Now, can we please stop this silly reference to jack stands and congratuate the OP on a job well done.

Approved by unanimous vote!!!!!!!!!! :7:

 

[Carguy75]

Hear, hear man. Don't get me wrong it took me about 6 hours to get to the point where it only took me 30 seconds to pop it in! Ha! I was dead set to get that thing in by hand even thought I spent 95% of the time hammering at the end of it. Also, I didn't remove the strut. I just moved it to the side and after several hours didn't give a $h1+ about the rubber boots! They never tore, but I did put a rag between the strut and the CV axle. I think part of my problem was not being aggressive enough at first.


I had a bad day the next day too trying to change out the power steering pressure hose on my ma's accord. I may have to retire as a mechanic.

Now you can hold your head up high knowing that you got the job done, and helped your mother.

I guess we will both retire as unofficial mechanics.

I will have it no other way.

Note: The rag on the strut was an great idea.

Also, I guess I should note on my thread that the slide-hammer trick will not work to take the cv axle off the car due to the inner bearings being held in place only by a wire retaining clip on the far end of the bearing-cup.

 

[wirth315]

ANY time I go under a car on FLOOR jacks or Hydraulic 2 post/4 post lift... I give the car a firm shake. Better to find out any wobble before getting under and applying brute force etc... Have seen several cars fall or dislodge a bit while being lifted over the years to have formed this habit.


Glad to see I'm not alone. Better thing to do than bench press my Nissan.

 

[srT4URBO]

Oil changes are the safest! I never even lift the car, anyone else? I just get right under it and change it out that way. :29: