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code P0507 - high idle

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#1 ·
Hi guys,

Vehicle: 2003 Murano SL AWD

Okay, it began with my P0303 misfire cylinder #3 code. I replaced #1 , #3 and #5 coil packs while I was there and the 3 spark plugs with 100,000 mile Iridium's. When I can afford three more coils I can easily throw the other three in without any trouble. I did not split the intake manifold and plenum. I took them off as one piece. I did put a new intake manifold gasket on and a new PCV valve. While I was waiting for parts to arrive I sprayed "Throttle Body and Mass Air Flow" cleaner in the throttle body to clean it out. It wasn't too awfully dirty but enough to warrant a cleaning.

Skipping ahead, after everything was back together I now have an idle speed of about 1,100 to 1,200 RPM and a SES light on. Before I had the code read I was thinking the high idle was probably because I missed reconnecting vacuum hose somewhere. On reassembly I checked, double checked and checked again that I didn't miss anything as I went along but the now high idle I had to have missed a hose somewhere. I have looked and looked, the best that I can anyways with everything back together, and can't see anything I missed. I don't hear any obvious vacuum leak anywhere either. I bought a can of carb cleaner and sprayed it everywhere, including the base of the intake manifold, but noticed no RMP change.

After I had the code read and found it to be P0507. I read on the good ole internet that code is to be expected after you clean out the throttle body and the now high RPM's are because the air flow is faster through the clean throttle body. It also said the idle air volume relearning procedure would resolve it. So that's what I did. After a successful relearning the idle went down to a normal 650ish RPM's.

Here's where I need help.

After driving the murano for about 50 or so miles the light remains on and the idle has worked itself back up to about 1,100-1,200 RPM's. I complete the idle air volume relearning procedure again and the idle returns to normal. After another day and 50 or so more miles the light remains on and the idle climbed back up to 1,000-1,200 range again. Same thing, relearned, idle back to normal, light remains on.

The vehicle runs normal, sounds normal just starts running with a high idle after driving it for a bit. Don't hear any obvious vacuum leaks and carb cleaner sprayed all over, including the base of the intake manifold, did not indicate any leaks. This code and this idle behavior just started with the coil pack replacement repair job. By the way, when re torquing the intake manifold I went in proper order barely snugging each bolt. I then set my torque wrench at the lowest setting it has which is 20 ft pounds and went through the pattern again. That still didn't feel to be enough so I added about 1/4 turn each and left it at that. It calls for 20 to 23 ft pounds so the manifold should be tight enough and the carb cleaner test indicated no leaks.

Being able to get the idle speed down to normal but after driving it for a bit having it returns to high idle again is what is stumping me. Any guidance on where to look next would be great!

Thanks guys.
 
#2 ·
This is a puzzler to me. Did a dealer tool read the code? I know that on many cars there are some codes that general purpose code readers won't catch.

It sounds like there is some background condition that is telling the car to readjust its idle after the learning procedure.

I don't have a read on this one. Unless someone has a better idea, this may be a dealer item.
 
#3 ·
I took it to O'Reilly's for the code reading. P0507 – Idle speed control (ISC) system -rpm higher than expected.

Today I checked everything over once again and found nothing disconnected, no obvious vacuum leaks. I sprayed everything possible with carb cleaner while moving the hoses around hoping to discover a crack in one of the hoses. No rise in RPM's anywhere while doing this. I re torqued the intake manifold bolts to 24 ft lbs (it calls for 20-23 ft lbs) and did the Idle Air Volume Relearning probably 5 or 6 times today. All successful and each time idle returned to 1,000 or higher RPM.

At this point I'm at a loss. I've read lots of postings saying replace the throttle body after cleaning. I'll be damned if I'll replace the throttle body because I cleaned it and that damaged it some how. If that is the case and they are that flimsy I'll get rid of the car. The CVT issue Nissan is doing nothing about for me is bad enough, now this.

Sorry for my little rant. I'm just fed up with Nissan.

Thanks for looking at my question regardless.
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
After replaced the rocker covers and spark plugs I cleaned the throttle body by manually opening the butterfly multiple times and spraying the cleaner. After started the car, the idle speed went up to 1000 rpm and the car was jerking at stops and low speed, triggering P0507. After driving a few times, I tried no less than 20 times following the relearning process and had no luck, including doing so even with two fuel injectors unplugged. As many suggested it may require good timing to execute the relearning. Finally, without erasing P0507, I got the check engine light blinked slowly and then quickly after the five times of paddle operation; the idle miracally dropped to normal. It seems the quick light
blink is the sign that the ECU has learned.

Several posts suggested cleaning the throttle body by manually opening the butterfly plate may damage the body and auto shops simply require installing a new throttle body. That can be a tricky call.

(Edited by Mod..... please folks, clean up your posts when there are extra links and sentences picked up by your copy and paste.)


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#6 ·
After replacing coils, plugs and cleaning the TB at the same time on my 2003, I also lost low-RPM idle, and doing the relearn procedure only worked for a brief time. I never had an SES code trigger, though. Since I had the CVTz50 app at my disposal, I was successful in getting the idle down to about 700. You can read my posts using the link, and I've copied/pasted the essential stuff below that link...

The idle relearn spanned a few posts...

Have you ever used CVTz50 for the idle relearn procedure? I've started it about ten times and it gets stuck on step 2 of 3 for at least five minutes before I finally give up. When I turn off the ignition and restart the car and enter the app, it says the relearn was successful, but the RPMs are still around 930. I don't understand why there isn't a setting to adjust the idle down. In that app, all you can do is increase the RPMs by a minium of 25. I'll probably just disconnect the NEG batt lead and do the relearn manually. I'd like my 500RPM idle back.

EDIT: After removing the NEG battery lead, reconnecting it, letting the car warm up, turning off the car and doing the CVTz50 relearn, it now idles around 812. I think I'll do it again, but next time I'll do it manually to see if I get the same results.

As for the idle relearn, I decided not to disconnect the NEG battery lead again and instead drove MO until hot, parked, turned off the engine, fully depressed the gas pedal and then backed off about 1/2" and held it there while starting the CVTz50 idle relearn procedure. I turned the key to position 2, the app paused at step 2, I released the gas pedal, started the engine, the app processed the final steps and the idle has hovered around 700. Since I replaced the spark plugs and coils when cleaning the throttle body (and I did not down-gap the plugs like the past few times) it's possible my idle isn't going to be in that 500-550RPM range anymore.