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Hi all,


So today, I decided it was time for a CVT fluid change. I am at 91,000 miles on my 2015 Nissan Murano, mostly highway.


CVT fluid change is not like performing an oil change; you have to ensure the level is correct, the fluid has to be at the right temp before you drain it, and most importantly, you need to refill it at the right amount.

Since Nissan has had so many CVT issues over the past years, they made it hard for the CVT fluid to be serviced by the consumer; they only want the dealer to perform it.


This will most likely void your warranty, so do it at your own risk.


I like to service my car myself; since I started doing oil changes, I came to realize that most of this maintenance service, I can do it myself.


Regarding when you should do this, there are so many different opinions, depending on who you ask. Some people say you should do it every 30,000 miles for city driving, some say every 60,000 miles, some say 100,000 miles, and others say it can last the car's lifetime.

The service manual does not say the approximate mileage you should perform the CVT fluid change, but instead asks you to take it to the dealer so they can test it and tell you whether it needs to be changed.


But it can't hurt to change it now and then; make sure you do it right.


The fluid does break down for sure, all those microscopic particles will mix in with the fluid as you drive, and you can see at 90,000 miles how dark my fluid is.


This is not a CVT fluid flush, meaning you take all the fluid out and put new fluid in. But instead of a drain and refill, you drain 3/4 of the fluid and repeat 2 or 3 times within one month; this will allow most of the old fluid to be replaced by the new fluid. A CVT flush is only performed when putting in a new CVT transmission.

The dealer will probably charge you between $300 -$350 for this service, only use genuine NISSAN NS-3 fluid, and this is not cheap, ~$20/qt if purchased at the dealer.

I was able to buy 5qt for $67 on amazon; you will need at least 4qt if you do a drain refill. The pan holds around 4 ft, while the rest is within the transmission.


This is how I performed my CVT drain/refill, there are different methods, but as long as you do it right, you will be fine.


* 5qt of NISSAN NS3 CVT fluid

*The CVT drain pan is located by the driver's side.
*Before performing this, ensure you drive the car around first; this will warm up the CVT fluid and thus make the drain easier.



STEP 1: LIFT THE CAR


TURN OFF THE ENGINE

Lift the car so you can easily access the CVT drain pan underneath.


Remove the MUG guard; there are lots of clips; take your time and remove them one at a time. You will most likely break one of the clips due to the weather making them very hard. Don't worry; make sure you have some spare around. The clips are very cheap on amazon or eBay.


STEP 2: DRAINING THE FLUID

Once the CVT drain pan is exposed, you will see two nuts. The black one is the CVT drain plug, and the silver one toward the back is the overflow plug (see pic).

Unscrew the drain plug and watch the CVT fluid come out.

At this point, if your car is not levelled, just try to make it as level as possible; this will get more fluid out. I just lowered the car while the fluid was pouring out.


This takes approximately 5 to 10min to drain before you start seeing droplets.


One mine, exactly 1 gallon/4qt, came out.
The goal here is to refill exactly what came out.

At this point, you can lift the car and put the NUT back on.

Important:
Nissan recommends never reusing the crush washer, so make sure you have a new crush washer before you put the nut back on.

I did not have one, so I just reused the old one. I ordered some but won't get them until tomorrow.


STEP3: REFILL WITH CVT FLUID


The way NISSAN/Dealer do this step: They fill the reservoir from the bottom using a pump connected to the overflow plug.


But you can refill it from the top on the dipstick plug.


The dipstick is not like the oil dipstick, there is no stick, so you won't be able to check the level.
To remove it, you will need a long skinny flat, head screwdriver. There is a tab on the dipstick; you need to insert the screwdriver to move the tap while pulling up on the dipstick. If you are going to perform this, I am sure you will figure it out.


The opening is small, so make sure you have a skinny funnel that will fit in the dipstick hole.


Pour exactly what came out (4qt).


If you pour in too much, you must open the overflow drain plug and let the excess out.


The service manual says to fill more than came out and open the overflow valve when the fluid temp reaches 95F. With the car levelled, you know it is at the right level when you start seeing a thin thread of fluid coming out of the overflow plug.

Once refilled, start the car, and move the shift from P to N to D, hold the lever to each position for 5sec.


If you want to change more fluid, you can repeat this step after a week or so because the new CVT fluid will only mix in with the old fluid while driving. If you repeat this 2X, most of your old fluid will be replaced.


This is in no way a guide, and I am not an expert Nissan mechanic; I am just sharing my experience.
 

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#2 ·
A friend of mine pointed out that I should not lift the car on the front by using the transmission block, as you see in the 2nd picture.


That point is only used the lift and lower the car, I always use jackstands fter the car is lifted.


I will see if I can find another location next week when I do the second drain.
 
#6 ·
I know, right...
And let them have all the fun, oh no...


Before I was intimidated by these kind of maintenance, I would not dare do an oil change myself before.

But after I did my first oil change, I realized that it wasn't that bad, and with the right tools, you can do the same at home. Of course, I read the service manual for each maintenance to understand what is needed.
I plan to do my antifreeze next week


@maxfan


Thanks for sharing your experience.


Nissan CVT has changed a lot from 2007 to 2017.

I don't think you need a CVT drain this early, these CVT nowadays can go a long time without being serviced.


Also I don't think most of these CVT failures are due to the oil, but rather the internal. But keeping the oil fresh will definitely make your ride smoother and the CVT last.


The reason I said to warm up the car so the oil can get hot is that so you can get most out, but the service manual does not say to warm it up. When the oil is hot, it will drip down from the gears easier and settle in the reservoir.


I was expecting less than 4qt though, did not bother to open the overflow valve to check, because I was too lazy, but I plan to do it on my second drain.


The oil came out warm, I left the oil in the pan outside and it was cold (45F), but the amount did not change, it was still 4qt.


I plan on doing my second drain next week, this should be good for another 50,000 miles if I keep the car that long, mostly highway.



You are right about it being easy.
I did oil change on this car, and this was much easier.


Issue I had, since this was my first time:
Removing the dipstick
Need to remove air vent to have a better clearance to remove the dipstick


Observation:
Car drives smoother for sure.
Today I got 33.3mpg (high) on my way to work, average was 31mpg? Is it a coincidence? Don't know
 

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#5 ·
Thanks for sharing...

Here is my experience with our 1st-gen 2007 Murano CVT... just simple drain & refill.
+ Did the 1st drain & refill @30Kmiles, with OEM NS-2 green stuffs.
Oil was still clear, a little dark. Engine was cold, about 3qts came out.
+ 2nd drain & refill @60Kmiles.
Oil was better looking. Engine was HOT and 3.5qts came out ?! --> This was my mistake to put
back 3.5 qts of COLD oil !!! (Now, I realized that I was over-filling as the oil must be expanding when hot).
But no correction was done.
+ 3rd drain & refill @90Kmiles.
Oil looked new. Engine was cold .. this time I just put in 3qts, not even needed to measure, just trusting the
data from 1st oil change.
+ @120Kmiles, checked the oil thru dipstick. Oil looked new still. No action.
+ 10+yrs, traded it in @159Kmiles. The CVT was probably the only thing that drove liked new in that car.

Our 2017.5 only has 11Kmiles now. I'm planning to do the same thing to the CVT.
The few differences I could see:
+ The 2007 fill tube still had the dipstick. I didn't actually use it to check oil level, mainly just to check the oil quality.
+ The 2007 had higher clearance, no jack needed to get under. Our driveway is flat.
+ The 2007 had no protective cover under there.
+ The 2007 had no overflow plug (that I knew of). This would be helpful if you have new & old oil at different temps
as in my case during the 2nd drain/refill.
+ Will be using the new NS-3 oil.
+ I probably ignore the overflow plug (lazy). Just simple drain (COLD) -->measured -->refill with same amount ... every 30Kmiles.
I think it's much easier to deal with the CVT than (changing engine oil&filter), no filter is involved here.

I've been doing drain&refill trans-oil in our previous 5 cars. They were fine when we let them go.
Plan to do the same to the current 3 new cars. I'm no expert, just learn thing thru others.
 
#56 ·
Thanks for sharing...

Here is my experience with our 1st-gen 2007 Murano CVT... just simple drain & refill.
+ Did the 1st drain & refill @30Kmiles, with OEM NS-2 green stuffs.
Oil was still clear, a little dark. Engine was cold, about 3qts came out.
+ 2nd drain & refill @60Kmiles.
Oil was better looking. Engine was HOT and 3.5qts came out ?! --> This was my mistake to put
back 3.5 qts of COLD oil !!! (Now, I realized that I was over-filling as the oil must be expanding when hot).
But no correction was done.
+ 3rd drain & refill @90Kmiles.
Oil looked new. Engine was cold .. this time I just put in 3qts, not even needed to measure, just trusting the
data from 1st oil change.
  • @120Kmiles, checked the oil thru dipstick. Oil looked new still. No action.
  • 10+yrs, traded it in @159Kmiles. The CVT was probably the only thing that drove liked new in that car.

Our 2017.5 only has 11Kmiles now. I'm planning to do the same thing to the CVT.
The few differences I could see:
  • The 2007 fill tube still had the dipstick. I didn't actually use it to check oil level, mainly just to check the oil quality.
  • The 2007 had higher clearance, no jack needed to get under. Our driveway is flat.
  • The 2007 had no protective cover under there.
  • The 2007 had no overflow plug (that I knew of). This would be helpful if you have new & old oil at different temps
as in my case during the 2nd drain/refill.
  • Will be using the new NS-3 oil.
  • I probably ignore the overflow plug (lazy). Just simple drain (COLD) -->measured -->refill with same amount ... every 30Kmiles.
I think it's much easier to deal with the CVT than (changing engine oil&filter), no filter is involved here.

I've been doing drain&refill trans-oil in our previous 5 cars. They were fine when we let them go.
Plan to do the same to the current 3 new cars. I'm no expert, just learn thing thru others.
But there is a filter. 2 of em as a matter of fact.
 
#7 ·
I think? Nissan introduced the CVT for the 1st time with the 1st-gen Murano production.
Probably was the 1st time a CVT was used with such a powerful engine .. so we were their beta-testers, haha.
We even got a letter from Nissan to extend the warranty on the 2007 CVT ... due to many issues ?
 
#8 ·
I always thought Nissan was the pionner of CVT, whenever i hear of CVT, I think of Nissan.


I thought they were the ones who invented the technology.
 
#9 ·
I always thought Nissan was the pionner of CVT, whenever i hear of CVT, I think of Nissan.


I thought they were the ones who invented the technology.
Nissan is good, but let's not give them credit for something they haven't done.


With the Murano 2003, it was built using the first gen CVT that Nissan designed (I believe it was the reverse link V-Metal belt that Nissan incorporated.) and just started producing for mass production.


For the real history of the CVT, click on the following link.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuously_variable_transmission


Have a good day.
 
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That's because you are judging it by today's standard, back then this was the bomb!
 
#14 ·
Today I did my second Drain/Refill. This time, I made sure I did everything according to the service manual, except for using a pump to put the cvt fluid from underneath.


I bought Genuine Nissan Crush Washer and use a new one



I drained the excess using the overflow drain just like the manual states.
Let it drain until you see a thin thread of fluid coming out, that's how you know it is filled as per spec, then screw the overflow nut back on (make sure you do not loose the rubber washer).

I used a temperature gun to check the fluid was at the right temp as it was coming out, it read 108F, the manual states it needs to be to at least 95F before you start draining it.


More pictures for illustration....



Crush washer (these fit both the oil and cvt pan):
[ame]https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01M3Y6JEX/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1[/ame]


These push pin clips work great on the murano, in case you break one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/40Pcs-Blac...ing-Clip-US/153061930007?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
 

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The filter in the 3rd gen is inside the CVT and is not serviceable.
 
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filter part# 3172628x0a & there's an o-ring. I believe that there's no mention of it in service manual for same reason there's no trans dipstick...Nissan doesn't want "people" messing with the cvt. they likely concluded that a plurality of earlier cvt issues were caused by people putting non cvt fluids in the cvt (though the awd transfer case was another contributor in it's own right). I don't have much faith in lifetime car fluids.
 
#23 ·
Thanks for the info.


The service manual has a section for draining and refilling the cvt fluid, but no mention for replacing the filter. Maybe it is not necessary to change it
 
#24 ·
I have a gen2 and the CVT fluid change was pretty easy with the dipstick.

So on the gen3, looks like the dipstick tube is still there, so cvt fluid can be added easily from the top. but they simply removed the dipstick so it's impossible to check level that way? Was this because using dipstick to check the level was not as reliable as the overfill plug?
 
#25 · (Edited)
I did a complete CVT fluid flush last week.
For a partial flush, check out the 1st post

2015 Nissan Murano SV, 136,000 miles

I just follow this Youtube video, he did it on an altima, but the Murano is very similar, just minor changes.
On top of the video, I went the extra mile, and ordered Nissan Transmission cooler flush, this helps clean the hose connecting the trans to the radiator.

I do not want to post a step by step here, because it will be lengthy, but his guy's video is very good at explaining everything step by step.

This is very time consuming, so 1 whole day to do the complete flush.

I replaced the paper filer, the mesh filter, and refilled with 10qt of new fluid.
I did not replace the gasket, as I did not think it was necessary.

Some pictures I took, this helps me remember everything next time I do it, as I am sure I will forget.



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#26 ·
Thanks Assad, much appreciated. Great clear pictures also.

I'll be doing mine soon, but I'm adding an inline tranny cooler, so I'll probably have to add another 1/2 qt. CVT fluid.

Have a good day.
 
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#28 ·
Awesome @assad!

I notice a CVT trouble code warning showing in CVTz50, is this temporary as a result of the flush?
Thanks @MuranoSL2003
Now this code, I never understood it. It was there before, and since I installed the app.
Maybe @PaulDay can comment on that.

I tried to reset the CVT deterioration after, but the app says it is no longer needed.

I will also ask the developper about it.
 
#31 ·
Yes, but CVTz should be able to cleared it? This tool is for Nissan vehicle.
It cleared my airbag light when other tools could not clear it.

Reading and erasing DTC
To read Diagnostic Trouble Codes stored in CVT or in engine, press button Read/Clear CVT DTC or Read/Clear Engine DTC. After successful DTC reading, CVTz50 will show number of errors stored in corresponding control module and list of the codes.
In order to erase CVT/engine DTC, press and hold corresponding button, then confirm erasing by selecting YES in confirmation dialog.

I remember they put in a new transmission when I was at around 20,000 miles, wondering if they ever cleared all the codes related to CVT when they replaced it.

I remember seeing this code the first time I installed the app.

I have email the dev to see what he says.

@PaulDay
Can you verify if your CVTz shows the same DTC code?
 
#34 ·
Yes, but CVTz should be able to cleared it? This tool is for Nissan vehicle.
It cleared my airbag light when other tools could not clear it.



I remember they put in a new transmission when I was at around 20,000 miles, wondering if they ever cleared all the codes related to CVT when they replaced it.

I remember seeing this code the first time I installed the app.

I have email the dev to see what he says.

@PaulDay
Can you verify if your CVTz shows the same DTC code?
That link I posted mentions even Nissan's Consult tool not being able to clear the code until the correct programming was done. It also mentions this error can occur after a valve body replacement, maybe something similar occurred when they replaced your CVT at 20k, and they never completed the programming to make the error go away...
 
#32 ·
I found this service bulletin, I will take it to the dealer so they can further check it
 

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#33 ·
P17F1 CVT judder is related to a recall.
No engine light, my trans seems fine, except when at low speed (when i am getting ready to pick up speed at around 10/20mpg) I feel some vibrations, I have been ignoring it all along.
Now if my warranty has expired, can I still use the recall?
 
#35 ·
The fact that it is persistent, that it might be a real issue.
I also think it is related to the nissan bulletin I have attached above.

If P17F1 is stored; proceed to CVT INSPECTION below.
NOTE: P17F0 and P17F1 are permanent DTCs. Do not attempt to ERASE them at this time.
I will take it to the dealer today so they can diagnose it.

Good catch by the way!!! (y)

I cannot believe I have been seeing this big RED box in front of me for a long time, and never thought of anything of it until you mentioned it. Back then my car was still under warranty.

Now, I am out of warranty and I am afraid this will cost me an arm and a leg :cry:

I was planning to keep the car for another 5 years, since I maintained it very well, also I am almost done paying it off.
 
#36 ·
Just an advice for all of you nissan owners
Nissan is well known for CVT issues.

3 months after I purchased my car, around 5,000 miles, my CVT failed and had to be replaced.
Now, I am seeing a code (P17F1) that says CVT needs to be replaced again, even though I am not experiencing any issues, and no engine light. This code has been there for more than 2 years BTW, since I installed the CVTz app.

It is a good idea to check for error code every now an then, while your car is still under warranty, even if you are not experiencing any issues. There are some hidden codes that only the nissan consult tool will show, these codes will not show up on an ODB2 scan tool.

Nissan do not scan your car when you go in for an oil change, that is not part of their so called multipoint inspection.
They charge $150 just to hook up their consult tool and scan for code.

So make sure you ask for a complete scan every 6 months or so, just to make sure there is nothing lurking inside.

Had I known about this code and not ignore it, I would have taken it in while it was still under warranty.

And these CVT usually fail right after your warranty expires.
 
#38 ·
@PaulDay
Ok, no problem.
I thought it was an issue with the app CVTz50, but after further looking into it and emailing the dev, it is the TCM throwing that code.
There is also a software update for the TCM, most of us with 2015, 16, 17 probably do not have the latest firmware update, since dealer will not tell you. The CVTz can tell you which code you are running if you go to Read CVT Info, this is the latest firmware according to this website 31036-5AA9C

BTW,
Here is how you can check whether you have a CVT issue:
Drive your car up an incline at around 0 to 20, 30mpg, and see if the car is struggling, vibrating, shaking or you have to press hard on the accelerator to pick up speed.