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Engine/CVT horrible, skipping and lunging

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#1 ·
We have had the new Platinum Murano for a few months now. Everything about the car is really great except the transmission.

At slower speeds, town driving, when we accelerate just a little the car bogs down, gets quite jerky, lunges and skips until it gets to a higher rpm. We thought is was so bad that we took it to the dealer for service.

Service took it for a drive with us, and when we pointed it out he said oh yeah, I can get it to do this all day long. It's just part of the car and you aren't driving it hard enough. Frustrated we left.

And… I am calling BS on that excuse. I have never owned a car where the quality of driving was directly related to have I drive the car. The CVT problem is so bad and frustrating that if we are contemplating selling it.

Has anyone had this same driving experience, or even better does anyone know a solution?

Bill
 
#188 ·
I've been going through the exact same issue as the OP, on my second Murano now. First was a 2016 and second is a 2017, both FWD.

The dealer played around with the engine mounts but still no joy. So they took a few of the ones they have on their lot and they all appear to have this but to different extremes!
So much so that they've not changed anything else as it's clearly a common issue.

A Nissan Canada tech is now supposed to be checking my car out - I truly hope the response isn't going to be 'character and charm of a CVT' and they do the right thing.
 
#190 ·
Valve Body Assy

Hey All,

Had this issue this past week. Dealership had me take the mechanic out on a test drive, and the issue happened while we were driving right around the 1000rpm mark just like everybody else here has stated. The video that the original poster put up was exactly what my 2015 Mo Platinum was doing as well(I have about 44,000km on mine)

And the Valve Body Assy replacement seemed to fix the issue for now.

The part number they replaced was 3170E-29X9C Valve Assy. There were a few more items as well on the list, however that was the main one. I did some research on that part, and there is a Technical Service Bulletin for the 2013-2014 Pathfinder with issues on that as well:
www dot nissan-techinfo dot com/asistgc_1/CAENG/diskdocs/1/V/I/1VI2.PDF

Car was in and out same day.

Hope that helps anyone with the same issue.

--Daryl
 
#191 ·
I am noticing this on my 2015 Murano during the following conditions: very light throttle combined with 15-20 mph or so. It will shake vibrate with the engine rpm bouncing slightly until I give it more gas or get off the gas completely. Not sure if I have ever tried testing it before in the last 75k miles, but just noticed it last week or so.

As I'm out of warranty, I am wondering if anyone has DIY the valve body install. The part itself seems cheap and easy to replace. Is the programming necessary before the car is driveable?
 
#192 ·
This may help, from

nissan-techinfo.com/TSB/TSB_xml/nmIndex.aspx?tsbType=TSB

Subject: SB Nissan; Enhanced Diagnostic Logic For CVT
Summary of NTB16085:
IF YOU CONFIRM
The customer reports a transmission judder (shake, shudder, single or multiple bumps or vibration).
NOTE: A new diagnostic logic has been established to enhance the diagnostic process by storing diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) on AppliedVehicles.
The new DTCs are:
P17F1 (CVT_JUDDER [C/U INSPECTION])
P17F0 (CVT_JUDDER [T/M INSPECTION])
ACTION
1. Refer to page 4, step 6 in the SERVICE PROCEDURE to confirm this bulletin applies to the vehicle you are working on.
2. If this bulle tin applies, reprogram the TCM (Transmission Control Module).

See this bulletin for further detail.



Subject: SB Path, Altima, Maxi, Murano and Quest; CVT Judder and DTC P17F0 or P17F1
Summary of NTB17039:
IF YOU CONFIRM
The customer reports a transmission judder (shake, shudder, single or multiple bumps or vibration)
AND
One of these DTCs is stored.
* P17F0 (CVT_JUDDER (T/M INSPECTION))
* P17F1 (CVT_JUDDER (C/U INSPECTION))
NOTE:
* If a transmission judder (as described above) is not reported, this bulletin
does not apply.
* If either P17F0 or P17F1 are not stored, this bulletin does not apply.
* If any DTCs are stored other than P17F0 of P17F1, this bull etin does not
apply.
* NTB15-014, Enhanced Diagnostic Logic For CVT Judder, has
reprogramming instructions that may apply.
ACTION
* Refer to the Repair Flow Chart on page 2 for CVT repair.
CAUTION: Always handle the CVT and component assemblies carefully and
with the appropriate lifting tools.
See this bulletin for further detail.
 
#193 ·
The Technical Bulletin referenced by George S in Post #192 , "Enhanced Diagnostic Logic For CVT", published in 2016, refers to the reprogramming of the TCM. Is that reprogramming intended to resolve or fix the problem associated with a P17F1 code? Because the other Technical Bulletin, "CVT Judder and DTC P17F0 or P17F1", published in 2015 refers to a decision tree of either 1) Replace Control Valve, or 2) Replace CVT Assembly. Steve

[I have a 2015 Nissan Murano with Platinum trim, with less than 17,000 miles, purchased at an IAAI auction in Kansas about six months ago. It was shipped to me in El Salvador, where I live. The vehicle had a moderate impact to the rear and a hardly noticeable impact to the front, but for a few airbags that deployed. All bodywork has been repaired and the airbag system, as well. Prior to a 30-mile drive, all DTC's were erased in order to see if any codes re-appeared. One did, P17F1. Due to the Christmas holidays, the tow truck delay to Houston, the containerized transport by ship from Houston to Guatemala and then overland to El Salvador, the lengthy Customs procedure and repairs, it won't be until this Thursday that I take possession and drive it for the first time. With less than 17,000 miles on the vehicle, I was hoping to have trouble-free driving for at least a few years! This P17F1 code has me stressed out. So far, there is just a code. The mechanic had driven it last week and mentioned a "judder", but we thought that due to it not having been driven for at least six months maybe the transmission fluid needed to work its way through the system. The mechanic is handling the registration process (vehicle plates, emissions testing, etc.). That process will continue tomorrow and I have asked to go with him in the passenger seat to see how the vehicle shifts.]
 
#197 ·
Add one more to the growing list of failed transmission control valves. Took mine in today and it spit out the P17F1 code. My build date was 09/15. I would only assume that many of the first year Gen. 3 Muranos will succumb to this defect. My Platimum AWD had a little over 38K miles when I began noticing the "judder" when lightly accelerating in city traffic. Being a Harley owner, I should have known better than to buy a first year redesign. They are nothing more than beta tests to identify potential bugs. Only bright side was it only took a few hours to repair and it cost me nothing. Plus a got eight quarts of new transmission fluid.
 
#198 ·
For someone that has that P17F1 code, would fuel economy be affected? We had taken it for a test drive in city traffic after some bodywork was completed. [All the 3rd generation Murano's have automatic AWD at low speeds.] After we returned, I noticed the fuel economy showing on the dashboard at about 12 MPG!!! I was thinking at the time that it must be a mistake, a faulty sensor. We did have the air conditioning on. I noticed two other comments in this forum about poor mileage. I hope they were outliers, as MPG was a determining factor in my purchase decision. Fueleconomydotgov, a U.S. government website, has the city/highway MPG for both the FWD and AWD at 21/28. Carsdotcom, a commercial website, shows the same 21/28 across all trims. Does the 2015 AWD Murano get 21 MPG in city driving or around 12??? P.S. The other day, the Malfunction Indicator Light came on. The owner's manual mentions that that light has to do with emissions-related issues. Maybe that is pulling down the MPG?
 
#199 ·
Stuttering and Bucking of Murano

My 2015 Murano Plat started to have the same stuttering issue are few years ago. The program was updated back then and it seemed to correct the issue but it started up again and had gotten worse. We have 50K miles on it now and the dealership mentioned there is a Nissan Bulletin regarding this issue but not a recall??

They replaced a part to increase the internal fluid pressure. After road testing the transmission seals blew out which they believe is due to the extra transmission pressure the correction implements? The dealership has had the car for a week now and I am not sure what is being done but was told it is a big job? I have to call every day to find out the status of my car.

The issues are:

-Car stutters and buck at low speed when first moving.
-Car strutters at different speed ranges. Noticed it always occuring at 20 to 30 MPH, and 60 to 70 MPH. It is noticeable by all occupants of the vehicle.

How is this not a recall?
 
#200 ·
I had the jolt when coasting 15-40 mph and rpms drop under 1000. It felt like transmission was grabbing as it dropped below 1000 and it did it in a less than smooth manner. Dealer reset TCM and shut off engine braking. It is much better now and rpm’s seem much more smooth and linear overall - much more like much 2010. Hopefully this will also translate into slightly better mpg ?
 
#201 ·
I had a 2015 Murano that started to shake at low speeds and low RPMs. It was the CVT. In my case the valve body had to be changed by the dealership - fortunately it was during the warranty period. That took care of the problem.

The vehicle only had about 25K on it when it first started. Nissan issued extensive criteria to its dealerships regarding inspection and diagnosis of the problem, of which the dealership gave me a copy. Basically, if there was excessive wear on the gear teeth, that indicated a serious problem and the CVT was to be replaced. But like I said, the valve body took care of the problem for me.
 
#202 ·
I had a 2015 Murano that started to shake at low speeds and low RPMs. It was the CVT. In my case the valve body had to be changed by the dealership - fortunately it was during the warranty period. That took care of the problem.

The vehicle only had about 25K on it when it first started. Nissan issued extensive criteria to its dealerships regarding inspection and diagnosis of the problem, of which the dealership gave me a copy. Basically, if there was excessive wear on the gear teeth, that indicated a serious problem and the CVT was to be replaced. But like I said, the valve body took care of the problem for me.
@tnelson
Thank you for the info.
Do you remember any DTC code when they diagnose it?
Mine shows P17F1 - CVT Judder ( C/V Inspection) and is permanent, been there for a while.

I talked to the dealer about replacing the valve body, which will cost around $1000, but he said whenever they replace it with this code, it always comes back.
 
#203 ·
@assad - Sorry, I do not have the vehicle or the paperwork on the repair any longer. I do not remember the code. I can tell you it was definitely doing the JUTTER though. Once the dealership changed the valve body, it never did it again and I had the vehicle for another 3 years until I traded it in on a 2020 Murano.

Good luck to you and sorry I cant be of more help.