Eric-

I would be curious as hell to know where it came from.

If it was a refurb, at least you would know some of the wear components had been replaced. And if the work was done at a reputable shop then you have a pretty decent engine under the hood.

Think about it. How many used MO engines can there be out there? There are not that many "retired" MOs. Locating a used MO engine can not be an easy task. Maybe it's Enforcer's original engine. Do you think sitting upside-down for an hour or two affected it any?

-njjoe

 

Eric-

I would be curious as hell to know where it came from.

If it was a refurb, at least you would know some of the wear components had been replaced. And if the work was done at a reputable shop then you have a pretty decent engine under the hood.

Think about it. How many used MO engines can there be out there? There are not that many "retired" MOs. Locating a used MO engine can not be an easy task. Maybe it's Enforcer's original engine. Do you think sitting upside-down for an hour or two affected it any?

-njjoe

If it doesn't burn oil and spew out blue smoke, and comes with a limited warranty, its probably better than old one. I know what you are trying to say, but we all know how awful Nissan dealers are - in this case the guy got one willing to help out a customer and stand behind a product they sell, so in this case I wouldn't complain too much.

The dealership probably wouldn't want to install a defective engine that would require them to foot the bill on future repairs, either, so there has to be some measure of security for the dealer when selecting a product to install in customers vehicles.

 

The engine came from a seem to be highly respectable salvage yard in NC. Bill Gatton Nissan contacted them and the next day the engine was delivered we then removed the engine from the crate while the delivery driver was there and if we were not satisfied it would have been loaded back up and a replacement would have been sent back.

All wiring harnesses was in tact nothing was cut the engine was clean both external and internal as well.

 

Hello all, I've had problems with my MO smoking on start up also. I complained to the dealership for over a year, took in pictures of the smoke. Finally, they wanted proof of oil changes, well..my parents have a shop and I've always had my uncle change my oil(he's a mechanic, over 25yrs). The dealership wasn't happy with that answer, so they told me to have it serviced every 1K miles!! Which at the time I was driving over 100miles a day. I did this for 6mos. It still smoked. The dealership "couldn't" get it to smoke for them. HA! The second I got in it, it smoked! After another 6mos of complianing to them and more pictures, they REPLACED the engine. But the kicker is after it was replaced under warranty, Nissan wanted proof of the oil and filters I had bought! I usually buy stuff with cash and didn't have the receipts from the autoparts store. Now they want to take out the new motor and put in the old crappy one. Ya right, that's not gonna happen. But I've acutally located a few purchases on my visa, so as long as I give them the proof they want, it's my new motor.

 

If you received a new crate engine from Nissan it had to be pre-approved prior to installing it into the MO. For my issue they done a oil consumption test for 1500 miles and then sent the info to Nissan to review. Then Nissan advised that they needed all maintenance records down to oil changes and that could not be provided so Nissan stated no on the new engine. Then the dealer agreed to replace it with a engine that was close to the mileage.

I am sorry but if the engine has already been installed and the dealer and yourself signed off on the work order that tells me that everything is complete and should fall back on the dealer for installing the engine instead of you. Sounds like you may need to contact and discuss this matter with your attorney.

 

Shiftless'03-

Since the new motor is already installed I wouldn't sweat it. There is no way they are going to take it out.

If they insist on receipts you can always have your Uncle write a letter on the garage's letterhead indicating the approximate date sand mileage of the oil changes. That should suffice.

-njjoe

 

Well so much for the myth of changing your own oil and keeping a record. Guess you have to save the reciepts now?

 

The days of doing your own oil changes are over for a car that is still under warranty. Also with these quick lube places opening this makes the dealers be more competitive on service. Myself I do not trust the quick lube changes. For example where I take my MO to Bill Gatton Nissan they have a coupon on there website for a $9.95 oil change so I print it out and take it with me. For that price let them change the oil while I wait.

 

The days of doing your own oil changes are over for a car that is still under warranty.

That's not true. The Magnuson-Moss Act states a manufacturer/dealer may NOT require you to have routine oil changes at their facilities or use any particular brand of oil filter (or any other car part) unless the manufacturer provides the item free of charge, during the terms of the warranty.

You simply need to keep your receipts for all purchased items/services and document the date and mileage of the services. That's it. If the dealer says otherwise then he is violating federal law and can be fined.

-njjoe

 

I think the point is, you can't change your own oil for 9.95

Homer

 

I think the point is, you can't change your own oil for 9.95

Homer

I hate to disagree with you Homer, but check out finevolfan's earlier post. The dealer is threatening to take out a recently installed engine unless he can produce documentation proving oil changes were performed on the previous engine.

-njjoe

 

That is correct but think about it. If you walk in with receipts where you purchased the oil and the filter and done the work yourself and documented it as well Nissan can still possibly say that it may have not been done correctly and there is no physical proof that you changed the oil at the mileage you recorded. That could also be the same for taking the MO to a respectful location that does great work where it is not a Nissan credited repair facility the same can be said here as well.

 

finevolfan-

That is where the Magnuson-Moss Act comes into play. By law, maintenance for your new vehicle may be performed at any automotive service or repair business, not only at the dealership where you purchased your car— and your warranty will still be valid. (Magnuson Moss Act 15,U.S.C. Section 45 et seq.) Receipts are all that are needed to indicate service was performed.

-njjoe

 

Sorry to be redundant The dealer is a jerk

 

First it is not my MO they are wanting to remove the recent installed engine from. So far Bill Gatton Nissan has treated me with the up-most respect. We do have that law that is mentioned concerning the maintenance that can be performed elsewhere I agree to that but it convincing Nissan of the work that it has been completed at requested. Besides if the dealership offers the competitive rate I will get the work completed there.

 

First it is not my MO they are wanting to remove the recent installed engine from.

finevolfan-

Sorry for the mix-up. I mis-read your post.

It is my belief that many people go to the dealer to have their car serviced because 1) they believe they have to take it the dealer to preserve the warranty, or 2) they believe the dealer is best equipped to service their car, or 3) they do not know where else to bring the car for service.

You can take the car anywhere you want for service. You don't even need to put "Genuine Nissan Parts" on your car to preserve the warranty. The dealer may tell you otherwise, but that is just not the case.

-njjoe

 

That is not a prob on the mix up and I agree with you on the parts as well. I agree with you I have seen people take a car to a dealer because a brake light is out which is fine if you do not have that experience to work on a car all we can do is help when asked.

 

It is my belief that many people go to the dealer to have their car serviced because 1) they believe they have to take it the dealer to preserve the warranty, or 2) they believe the dealer is best equipped to service their car, or 3) they do not know where else to bring the car for service.

So long as the car is under warranty, I'm one of those people. But, with some clarification. 1) I know full well that taking my car elsewhere does not void my warranty, but I don't want *anyone* going near my CVT, for instance. I have oil changes done at Nissan dealers because a) they're price competitive with other commercial shops, and b) all of my maintenance records are immediately available nationwide (which has helped in the past). 2) Going beyond the oil changes, I feel they definitely are the best equipped to deal with our equipment. I can't think of any other place I'd go to for CVT work. Lee Myles? Cottman? No way, Jose. 3) Can't argue with that!

We've witnessed so many cases where personal maintenance is not enough anymore. Even with the federal law behind us, I know if I can either spend $19.95 for my drive-thru oil changes and prevent a "warranty war" down the road, or hire an attorney to "fight the good fight" (and wipe out the lifetime of money saved in the first week), the choice is a no-brainer for me.

They have instant access to every screw turned, every drop of oil, transmission fluid, and anything else that was done to or replaced in the car. If they screw something up, I've never had to say more than, "fix it for free and call me when its done." Up to and including the CVT. Same with a trans on a 95 Jimmy in a past life. Bought a refurb trans from an in-network dealer (while on vaca in Florida!) and it leaked from every seal by the time I got home. They replaced it again for $0.00.

Once I'm out of the gold warranty period, though, all bets are off (if I haven't sold it by then!)

 

Yeah and since most of the hardcore problems require the $5000 Consult-II with regular upgrades to run diagnostic routines and modify values as described in the SM, and to keep up with the SMs and all the TSBs, I'd bet most non-dealer shops won't make that kind of an investment. Some of the specialty tuner shops may.

 

I can't think of any other place I'd go to for CVT work. Lee Myles? Cottman? No way, Jose. Can't argue with that!

EasternPA-

I completely understand your position, however I want to point out one discrepancy... CVT work. I wish Nissan was able to perform CVT work. Right now, with very few exceptions, they are limited to pulling out the CVT and replacing it with a new one. I'd love to know that they are competent enough to go in, diagnose the problem, and repair the CVT on the component level (like a Lee Myles and Cottman will eventually be able to do.) Unfortunately Nissan believes in part replacement and not part repair. This is fine when you are under warranty, but it gets prohibitively expensive when you are the second owner of a used MO and the CVT acts up.

Just my two cents....

-njjoe