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DIY - Change your CVT Fluid

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok, first off, I apologize for not having pictures for this. I was pretty busy this weekend, and working on the car is a messy task - aka, I didn't want to get my digital camera dirty.

I changed my CVT fluid this past weekend, and since I don't see a DIY write-up for this (like oil changes, brakes, or cabin filters) on the forum, here it goes. My procedure differs from the FSM, which requires more fluid. I chose a 30,000-mile interval mainly because I am still not 100% convinced of the CVT's durability, and it's not that expensive since I do the work myself. Some will say it's overkill, but it's not like I am leasing the vehicle, nor did I pay $1500 for an extended warranty. Those who prefer to stick with extended intervals probably have their maintenance performed by the dealership and wouldn't find a DIY helpful writeup anyways.

Tools:

6-7 quarts Nissan NS-2 CVT fluid ($18/qt from Courtesy Nissan) - I used 5.5qts, but get 6 or 7 to be safe.
19mm socket wrench
Small flathead screwdriver
Needlenose pliers
Copper gasket - same as the one used for the oil pan drain plug (69 cents from Courtesy Nissan)
A very narrow spout funnel (for some reason, they seem to always come in orange - anyways, it's $2 from Walmart)


Directions:

1) Drive the car for about 15 minutes to warm up the transmission fluid - warm fluid flows faster
2) Park on a level surface and apply the parking brake (!)
3) Optional - jack up the car and place on jack stands all four corners (remember the car needs to be level for a proper drain)
4) The CVT oil pan is located on the driver's side - easy to find because the big metal/plastic scoop we love for drawing pictures in the snow is suitable in front of it
5) The CVT drain plug is located on the back half of the oil pan
6) Place a large container (8 qts recommended) beneath the drain plug
7) Remove the drain plug with a 19mm socket
8) Be careful! Oil will be pretty warm and gushes out very quickly. You might want to wear a pair of latex gloves for this.
9) Allow 10-15 minutes for CVT fluid to drain out.
10) Important - pour used CVT fluid into separate containers - I used old 1-gallon water jugs - to calculate approximately how much fluid you should add back in - in my case, it filled a little less than 1-1/2 gallon jugs, so I estimated 5-1/2 quarts.
11) Remove the old copper gasket - I used a flathead screwdriver to pry it up, then unscrewed it from the threads
12) Replace with new copper gasket
13) Reinstall the drain plug - hand tighten with a socket wrench - similar to how you hand pull the oil drain plug (i.e. a few firm tugs after the gasket has been flattened)
14) The CVT dipstick is the charging pipe to add new CVT fluid. It is locked into place with a plastic tab. Use one tip on the nose of the pliers (opened) to push in the plastic tab facing the front of the car, then pull up to release the dipstick. I used the pliers because the first time I removed the dipstick, I used the small flathead screwdriver and broke the plastic tab! The dealer replaced the dipstick for me for free, though.
15) Using the narrow neck funnel, which should fit neatly into the CVT tube, refill with NS-2 fluid the amount you drained out.
16) Reinsert the CVT dipstick with the plastic tab rotated 180 degrees (i.e. so it does not lock) - this makes it easier to check the CVT fluid level later.
17) Take your MO for a test drive, and with the engine at operating temperature (again, 10-15 minutes drive), shift through all the gears and then back to park (this is what the FSM says, but its a CVT, so I dunno why you need to do it).
18) With the engine idling and gear in Park, pull the CVT dipstick and check the level - it should be within the normal range. If low, add CVT fluid as required, 1/4 quart at a time (then recheck).
19) When the level is correct, reinsert the CVT dipstick so the plastic tab locks again.
20) Finished. Your CVT thanks you for taking care of it.

Curiously, it looked clear when I checked the old fluid using the dipstick. When I drained it, it was amber, slightly darker than the new motor oil. The new NS-2 fluid I added was a greenish clear colour.

Update: Make sure to take the used CVT oil to a local automotive fluid recycling facility (a store like Autozone or Kragen, for example) for proper processing. DO NOT pour it down the drain.
 
#77 ·
jerschwab said:


Well, they showed me the dipstick and said I was really low... but I don't know if I trust this shop or not because everything he was telling me was all new information (compared to my very basic understanding about CVT fluid). I think I'll take a look for myself and maybe go into Nissan. I had went to Nissan a few months ago and they said they need to hook it up to their equipment to determine the CVT fluid level and whether it needs topping up.
They check the level via the dipstick, and the "condition" is read via a computer, which reads duty cycles I believe. No one here really knows what the number means though, and I can tell you that even after 30k, my CVT fluid has oxidized from clear green to the color of motor oil (amber).
 
#78 ·
I realize that the NS-2 fluid is not cheap (15 to 20 $/bottle depending on where you get it).

Be very wary about a shop that will inform you about wanting to change the CVT fluid with anything other than Nissan NS-2 fluid.

OEM fluid has a long life use so the payout is marginal considering that the cost over the life of the car is minimal. So why take any chance on replacing it with anything other than OEM?

A drain-and-fill replenishing method is absolutly better than doing nothing at all. I did mine at around 150,000 km and I did feel better after the fact since I regularly towed a trailer.

$120 for 7 bottles of NS-2 CVT fluid; sleeping better at night-PRICELSS! :D
 
#79 ·
jerschwab said:
This is what my local oil change shop is recommending. I have 73K miles (just bought the MO a few months ago) and don't think it's been done. My local dealer in Canada said I shouldn't have to do it until 120K miles and that they don't do CVT fluid flush!?!? This concerns me.

http://www.wolfshead.com/specsheets/universalsynthetic.pdf

Thanks
Hmmm.... One-size-fits-all tranny fluid??? :confused: That sounds a bit far reaching to me.

If Wolf's Head were to back their compatibility claims with some type of warranty, then I might consider it. But they don't, so I won't.

-njjoe
 
#81 ·
I realize that the NS-2 fluid is not cheap (15 to 20 $/bottle depending on where you get it).
The only place I've been able to find it is at the local Nissan dealer and they charge $29.95 plus tax per liter.
No surprise really since they are liars, thieves and worst of all utterly incompetent.

After talking to Parts, I asked Service how much to change the CVT fluid.
"I don't know, we have never done a change on a Murano. There is no need, none of them have shown up on the computer as needing changing. We see 2003 models with high miles, no need to change"

"If you did change it, how much would you charge?"

"About $200"

I thought hmmmmm, I'll need nearly $200 worth of fluid alone , so the labour is free.

"So, it is $200, when can you book me for the fluid change?"

"Uh, it will be more than that...."

"How much more, don't you have a flat rate?"

"I'd have to check how much more"

"I'll wait"

5 minutes on hold later "Hello, West End Nissan, how can we help you?"

The service advisor had left me on hold and gone for lunch. This is actually one of the better treatments I've had at this dealer. It is an astonishing business, really- no idea how they have both survived and apparently prospered. Because of them, I'll be unable to ever buy another Nissan, nor will any of my large family and extended circle of friends.

I actually like my Murano but I'd be a fool to ever buy a Nissan again.
 
#82 ·
They are probably saving their attention for ignorant customers who are not as well informed as you are about how much parts and fluids costs. After all, how else will they screw people over with unnecessary services if customers even know their Murano has a CVT transmission (I am willing to bet the average MO owner has no clue what a CVT is, or that they even have one).

bruno said:

The only place I've been able to find it is at the local Nissan dealer and they charge $29.95 plus tax per liter.
No surprise really since they are liars, thieves and worst of all utterly incompetent.

After talking to Parts, I asked Service how much to change the CVT fluid.
"I don't know, we have never done a change on a Murano. There is no need, none of them have shown up on the computer as needing changing. We see 2003 models with high miles, no need to change"

"If you did change it, how much would you charge?"

"About $200"

I thought hmmmmm, I'll need nearly $200 worth of fluid alone , so the labour is free.

"So, it is $200, when can you book me for the fluid change?"

"Uh, it will be more than that...."

"How much more, don't you have a flat rate?"

"I'd have to check how much more"

"I'll wait"

5 minutes on hold later "Hello, West End Nissan, how can we help you?"

The service advisor had left me on hold and gone for lunch. This is actually one of the better treatments I've had at this dealer. It is an astonishing business, really- no idea how they have both survived and apparently prospered. Because of them, I'll be unable to ever buy another Nissan, nor will any of my large family and extended circle of friends.

I actually like my Murano but I'd be a fool to ever buy a Nissan again.
 
#83 ·
I have a 2005 AWD with 56k miles on it. The CVT drain plug is on the bottom of the finned pan at the rear edge towards the centerline of the vehicle and uses a 10mm hex to loosen it. Takes a breaker bar. The plug has an 'o-ring' instead of a washer so be careful. Takes about 20 minutes for it to stop dripping. Very easy job. Took almost all 6 quarts to refill the trans.

Nissan says NEVER crack the pan. You will void the warranty. The local dealer does not have the authority to crack it either. If there is a problem, they ship it off and get a replacement. The first thing they check is if anything other than Nissan CVT -2 was ever in the tranny. The dealer has the ability to see if anyone added ATF to it. If they did, no warranty. The depot they send it to will also check.
 
#84 ·
I have a 2005 AWD with 56k miles on it. The CVT drain plug is on the bottom of the finned pan at the rear edge towards the centerline of the vehicle and uses a 10mm hex to loosen it. Takes a breaker bar. The plug has an 'o-ring' instead of a washer so be careful. Takes about 20 minutes for it to stop dripping. Very easy job. Took almost all 6 quarts to refill the trans.

So, how would you assess the condition of your cvt fluid? (color, feel, smell, etc.) Were there anything on the plug? Does the color look similar to the new one? With such a low mileage, it maybe just a waste of money to change it so early....but if it'll make you sleep better then nothing beats that I guess.
 
#85 ·
Just to add a little on not removing the plug, that's crazy. Even if you use the cooler line method, you start by a drain and fill of the pan. Then you start the engine with the cooler line going into a bucket and add fluid.

If you just start the engine without fresh fluid in the pan, you're mixing old with new and it's going to take a lot more fluid to get 100% fresh fluid.

I did mine at an extremely early interval. I'm real big on getting any break-in material out. Same goes with the engine and coolant. I drained the coolant on the TL and Murano when they were pretty new and got a fair amount of sand out, probably left over from the casting process.

What I ended up doing was a couple drain and refills instead of the cooler lines. I should have about 70% new fluid in there. I just didn't have another person at the time to make sure the line did not spew fluid everywhere and fill it at the same time.

I used Redline non slip CVT fluid and have been on it for a little over 30,000 miles. So far much smoother operation and more consistant operation.
 
#86 ·
I change tramission oil Eneos CVT about 1 month ago my nissan murano 2003,124000 miles. now drive about 950 miles, it is work good and shift gear properly no slip. Only makesure don't over fill oil, keep oil mark litle below hot mark on gauge. drive 25 mile check it. Flush tramission steps following.
1. take empty milk gallon or clear plastic gallon container, pourd 1 quart water, mark by black marker water level. empty container.
2. open trasmission pan drain bolt, drain out oil and fill 5 qt. Eneos CVT oil.
3. Securley jack up car and driver side 1/2" diameter black Trasmission oil cooler hose open at bottom of radiator carefully because radiator metal very soft metal. and buy 3 ft 1/2" vinal tube and attache at radiotor oil cooler side other end tube keep in a milk gallon.
4.Turn on murano about 45 sec. or watch mark on milk gallon. if oil come out at mark stop car. fill one qt.eneos oil at guage, repeate this about 5 to 6 time untill new red oil not come out in milk gallon.
5. connect back transmisson cool hose to radiator and fill about 2 qt. eneos cvt. drive 25 mile and check gauge mark. oil must little below hot mark when check oil level car must level surface.
6. Don't over fill oil because CVT gear change according transmisson oil pressor, if you fill more oil, gear change at higher RPM and you lose milage.
 
#88 ·
Hi, I am new to this Forum. But I see a lot of good information. I nave a 2007 Nissan Murano all wheel drive. I have driven 101000 miles. I think I need to change the CVT fluid. I called the dealer and they told me if I want to change or flush the fluid,. I am afraid to flush the cvt. I am concerned that if I was to flush the cvt fluid i will mess uo the Transmission. Can anyone please help with it? Thank you .
 
#89 ·
AJK-

Welcome to the forum!

Although more costly, the flush is preferred because it will remove a significantly greater volume of the old fluid.

Also, there is no manufacturer's requirement to change the fluid at a specific mileage interval. The CVT's brain manages an algorithm that calculates a change interval based on variables that are known only to the Nissan engineers. It's called the CVTF Deterioration Date and from what we have seen the replacement interval is several hundred thousand miles! Check out this thread where I first found the CVTF Deterioration Date for my MO: http://www.nissanmurano.org/forums/61-general-discussions/14870-cvtf-deterioration-date.html

Now having said all that, changing the fluid earlier than suggested by the CVTF Deterioration Date can only benefit the transmission.

-njjoe
 
#90 ·
Hi Guys, Please help. I have 2007 Murano with 100,000 miles. I am given two options. One to replace the CVT fluid and the second option is to flush the cvt fluid. Any suggestions. Should I just replace the fluid or get it flushed ? Thank you. with my other cars with high milage I was told not to replace the Transmission fluid because it can actually mess up the transmission. Thank you.
 
#93 ·
Hi Guys, Please help. I have 2007 Murano with 100,000 miles. I am given two options. One to replace the CVT fluid and the second option is to flush the cvt fluid. Any suggestions.
If a dealer is telling you to do this based on the mileage and not after doing a CVT fluid analysis (or at least doing a physical check and explaining to you why the fluid needs to be changed, ie it's milky, dark in color, smells burned, etc), RUN, don't walk, to another dealer.

As Joe explained, there is NO change interval (either age or mileage) specified by Nissan.
 
#92 ·
sorry fellows. It is already replied by njjoe. My apologies.
AJK-

There is no need to apologize. Most requests for information are usually followed-up with numerous responses.

-njjoe
 
#97 ·
Decision on CVT fluid drain

I have read this thread front to back and it seems to be divided into two camps.

1. The "Remove the drain plug and replace around 6-7 quarts of CVT fluid"
2. The "Flush from the cooler hose while leaving the car running and replacing 10-12 quarts"

Not sure which I would choose. My situation is 03 SL with 131K. Bought from dealer at 64k. Unsure if the CVT fluid has ever been changed.

Recommendations?
 
#98 ·
Just drain and fill it bro. Don't even mess around with the cooler because its never really good to run the tranny close to being dry. Get it nice and hot, preferably right after driving some where then drain it for a few hours, fill back up with about 5-6 quarts.
 
#99 ·
With 80K I flushed my CVT fluid today. Jacked up the front and removed the clips of the plastic cover/guard to show the bottom of the radiator. Removed the CVT drain plug with 10mm hex. Then, I removed the driver side cooler hose line under the radiator. Left it dripping for several hours cooked 3 dishes and came back after dinner. I got about 7 quarts from the pan and another 1/2 quart from the cooler line. Cleaned and reinstalled the drain plug and refilled 7 quarts into the dipstick hole. Attached a different hose--I used an old shower hose line thats a perfect fit-- to the aluminum nipple of the cooler line and secured it with a hose clamp. Got the wifey to start the car 5 times/1 quart a time---Filling in new fluid each time. Reinstalled the cvt hose line back to the cooler nipple and secured it with the clamp. Turned on the ignition and checked the cvt fluid level. All is good. Just a little over the upper mark. Test drove and checked for leaks and fluid level again. All is good and reinstalled the plastic cover. Login the work.

You can see on the pix the color of the old cvt fluid. Did not look so bad if you take a drop or two on paper but looking at a gallons worth the color is kinda scary. As it was draining and the sun hits the flow of the old fluid, the color of green is still there and so generally it did not look too bad. No sludge and very little metal shavings found at the bottom of the drain pan. So I am glad I changed it for my peace of mind. Got the NS2 fluid from ebay. A six pack for $67 and another six pack for $75 shipped.

Next project spark plugs 25k from now....
 

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#100 ·
With 80K I flushed my CVT fluid today. Jacked up the front and removed the clips of the plastic cover/guard to show the bottom of the radiator. Removed the CVT drain plug with 10mm hex. Then, I removed the driver side cooler hose line under the radiator. Left it dripping for several hours cooked 3 dishes and came back after dinner. I got about 7 quarts from the pan and another 1/2 quart from the cooler line. Cleaned and reinstalled the drain plug and refilled 7 quarts into the dipstick hole. Attached a different hose--I used an old shower hose line thats a perfect fit-- to the aluminum nipple of the cooler line and secured it with a hose clamp. Got the wifey to start the car 5 times/1 quart a time---Filling in new fluid each time. Reinstalled the cvt hose line back to the cooler nipple and secured it with the clamp. Turned on the ignition and checked the cvt fluid level. All is good. Just a little over the upper mark. Test drove and checked for leaks and fluid level again. All is good and reinstalled the plastic cover. Login the work.

You can see on the pix the color of the old cvt fluid. Did not look so bad if you take a drop or two on paper but looking at a gallons worth the color is kinda scary. As it was draining and the sun hits the flow of the old fluid, the color of green is still there and so generally it did not look too bad. No sludge and very little metal shavings found at the bottom of the drain pan. So I am glad I changed it for my peace of mind. Got the NS2 fluid from ebay. A six pack for $67 and another six pack for $75 shipped.

Next project spark plugs 25k from now....
I am not sure if my last post was saved since I may have accidently hit the enter key before I was done. Sorry. Your post was very helpful but I need some clarity on the part after you disconnected the cooler hose. Did you add 5 more quarts? Did you run it only long enough for 1 quart to empty out, then turned the engine off so you could add in 1 quart, then did that 5 more times? That would mean you added a total of 7 +5 = 12 quarts. The manual only says that the total capacity is about 10.5 quarts but I think that's using the continuous flush method without removing the drain plug and that wastes more fluid. Please clarify.
 
#101 ·
Just be aware that the COLOR of gear oil or motor oil means nothing. Color simply means that it has been in use. Without analysis, you don't know what condition it's in.

But....I'm not going to argue with changing any oil at 80K miles. It may be early, but I agree that peace of mind is worth a good deal.
 
#102 ·
Did a drain and fill with NS-2 (12 quarts ebay $110 shipped), meansured the drain, it only coughed up 4.5 quarts. Refilled with 4.5 quarts, shifted throught the gears and was just below the "HOT" line.

09 w\ 35K.

didn't really notice a change.

Do the 2009-12 have less capacity? I see alot of posts with 6-7 quarts on a D & F.
 
#105 ·
My MO just passed the 95k mile mark a day or two ago. Since buying the MO back in late 2007 with about 44k miles on it, I've yet to change the CVT fluid. Should I be doing this now? If not, when? Thx.
 
#107 ·
As nitely pointed out, routinely checking for leaks and, even more importantly, CVT fluid level is the key. Unless the previous owner abused the car (always the risk with buying used cars, especially one with 44K miles on it before you got it), your CVT fluid should be fine at not even 100K. I know we hit 107K on our 8 1/2 year old Mo recently, and I never give changing the CVT fluid any thought at all!

You might, however (especially since you bought yours used), consider having a dealer do a CVT fluid deterioration date analysis to check the condition of the fluid. The numerical value this analysis produces will tell you concretely whether the fluid needs to be changed or not.
 
#106 ·
Its all up to you. It aint cheap either. Some folks like to stick to the its a lifetime fluid school of thought but me, I like doing preventive or over maintenance. What is important is that you regularly check for any leaks around the TC/CVT area and the fluid level is on the top mark. Good luck.
 
#108 ·
As nitely pointed out, routinely checking for leaks and, even more importantly, CVT fluid level is the key. Unless the previous owner abused the car (always the risk with buying used cars, especially one with 44K miles on it before you got it), your CVT fluid should be fine at not even 100K. I know we hit 107K on our 8 1/2 year old Mo recently, and I never give changing the CVT fluid any thought at all!

You might, however (especially since you bought yours used), consider having a dealer do a CVT fluid deterioration date analysis to check the condition of the fluid. The numerical value this analysis produces will tell you concretely whether the fluid needs to be changed or not.
Thank you both for your input. Will stay on top of checking the fluid level and will see my local Nissan dealership to do the fluid deterioration date analysis. About how much can I expect to pay for this?
 
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#110 ·
Funny you mentioned this. I planned on sending the motor oil in my MO as well as the motorl oil in my 2000 Toyota Celica GTS with 81,500 miles, to Blackstone Labs for testing. Didn't know I could do the same with the CVT fluid. Thanks.
 
#112 ·
Again this issue hasn't been visited in a year and I'm fixing to be doing a drain and refill on my 09 MO AWD. Seeing what experience some might of had with the ENEOS CVT Fluid??? With over 84k views this obviously is an important topic amongst MO owners. Beings it's the most expensive replacement item on the vehicle.... I'm leaning towards the OEM NS-2. VS ENEOS SYNTHETIC CVT Fluid. Today's cost for 6PK ENEOS $59.99 FREE SHIPPING, 6 PK NISSAN OEM NS-2 $79.99 OBO FREE SHIPPING. Both are located on eBay right now. When you look at it that way it's a no brainer. But Under normal circumstances the OEM NS-2 is priced $19.99 at my dealer so that's $119.94. So that would make the ENEOS half price.... That's a little more affordable for me. Thoughts?
 
#113 ·
Again this issue hasn't been visited in a year and I'm fixing to be doing a drain and refill on my 09 MO AWD.
Why?? Did you get a high CVT fluid deterioration date number from the Consult analysis, or do you just suspect the previous owner of your car subjected it to severe driving conditions? Just wondering why you think it needs to be changed.

My 04 SE is almost twice as old as yours and (mostly because it only has 110K miles, I've never had CVT problems, and my fluid has never smelled burned when I've checked the level) I don't give a seconds thought to changing it. I also know how that car has been driven since I bought it new 10 years ago (in 4 more months)!