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New Camaro........4 cylinder?

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#1 ·
NEW YORK -- General Motors is considering a four-cylinder engine for the new Chevrolet Camaro as a response to rising fuel prices.

Speaking on the sidelines of the New York auto show, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said the drivetrain under consideration for the Camaro is the same high-performance one used in the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky roadsters. It’s a 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected four-cylinder rated at 260 hp. Lutz said that if fuel prices continue to climb, the four-cylinder Camaro could see production.

GM has said it plans V-8 and V-6 versions of the Camaro but otherwise has been secretive. Lutz confirmed to Automotive News that the V-6 version of the Camaro will be powered by the same high-tech V-6 used in the Cadillac CTS. It’s a direct-injected, 3.6-liter four-cam V-6. In the CTS, the engine is rated at 304 hp.

Low-priced version dropped

In the Camaro, the 3.6 liter’s horsepower should be around 260, Lutz said, Fuel economy, he said, will be around 17 mpg city and 25 highway. That would place the V-6 Camaro among best in class for a performance car.

Lutz said GM has dropped plans to offer a low-priced, entry-level Camaro with one of GM’s low-tech V-6s. GM will position both the V-6 and V-8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang.

The base model Mustang uses a 4.0-liter overhead-cam V-6 rated at 210 hp. The base model Dodge Challenger, due in the fall, will use a 250-hp, 3.5-liter V-6.

Most enthusiast attention has focused on the Camaro’s V-8 engine, which is likely to be a 6.0-liter with about 400 hp. Lutz said the V-8 will have a cylinder cutoff system that shuts down half the engine when the car reaches cruising speed. That will help it get better fuel economy.

But Lutz said he thinks most buyers will opt for the V-6 because the performance will be strong, especially when the engine is combined with a manual transmission.

“Back in the old days, if you wanted a muscle car, to get a decent one, you had to buy the V-8,” Lutz said. “And if you bought the V-6, you got a fairly rough, unrefined pushrod engine with low horsepower and weasely performance.

“This time, the V-6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times. And now the V-6 is in its own right a very fast, very legitimate car.”

We are going to be above Mustang"

Lutz said that with the V-6, the Camaro achieves a nearly perfect 50-50 weight distribution: “With the V-6, it is not a heavy car. The Camaro will be a very lively and engaging car,” he said.

Lutz would not talk specifically about the Camaro’s pricing. The car is scheduled to go on sale next February as a 2009 model, but Lutz did say GM views the Camaro as better equipped than the Mustang, and the price will be higher.

The Mustang V-6 coupe has a base price of $20,235. The V-8 GT coupe begins at $26,825. Both prices include shipping.

“We are going to be above Mustang,” Lutz said. “We have a very sophisticated suspension system and, frankly, a much nicer interior. We are not going to try and match the Mustang on price. We are going to be premium-priced compared to the Mustang.”
 
#2 ·
Kris said:
NEW YORK -- General Motors is considering a four-cylinder engine for the new Chevrolet Camaro as a response to rising fuel prices.

Speaking on the sidelines of the New York auto show, GM Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said the drivetrain under consideration for the Camaro is the same high-performance one used in the Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky roadsters. It’s a 2.0-liter turbocharged, direct-injected four-cylinder rated at 260 hp. Lutz said that if fuel prices continue to climb, the four-cylinder Camaro could see production.

GM has said it plans V-8 and V-6 versions of the Camaro but otherwise has been secretive. Lutz confirmed to Automotive News that the V-6 version of the Camaro will be powered by the same high-tech V-6 used in the Cadillac CTS. It’s a direct-injected, 3.6-liter four-cam V-6. In the CTS, the engine is rated at 304 hp.

Low-priced version dropped

In the Camaro, the 3.6 liter’s horsepower should be around 260, Lutz said, Fuel economy, he said, will be around 17 mpg city and 25 highway. That would place the V-6 Camaro among best in class for a performance car.

Lutz said GM has dropped plans to offer a low-priced, entry-level Camaro with one of GM’s low-tech V-6s. GM will position both the V-6 and V-8 versions of the Camaro as premium cars compared to the Camaro’s chief rival, the Ford Mustang.

The base model Mustang uses a 4.0-liter overhead-cam V-6 rated at 210 hp. The base model Dodge Challenger, due in the fall, will use a 250-hp, 3.5-liter V-6.

Most enthusiast attention has focused on the Camaro’s V-8 engine, which is likely to be a 6.0-liter with about 400 hp. Lutz said the V-8 will have a cylinder cutoff system that shuts down half the engine when the car reaches cruising speed. That will help it get better fuel economy.

But Lutz said he thinks most buyers will opt for the V-6 because the performance will be strong, especially when the engine is combined with a manual transmission.

“Back in the old days, if you wanted a muscle car, to get a decent one, you had to buy the V-8,” Lutz said. “And if you bought the V-6, you got a fairly rough, unrefined pushrod engine with low horsepower and weasely performance.

“This time, the V-6 is 260-odd horsepower, four overhead cams, very smooth and decent 0-to-60-mph times. And now the V-6 is in its own right a very fast, very legitimate car.”

We are going to be above Mustang"

Lutz said that with the V-6, the Camaro achieves a nearly perfect 50-50 weight distribution: “With the V-6, it is not a heavy car. The Camaro will be a very lively and engaging car,” he said.

Lutz would not talk specifically about the Camaro’s pricing. The car is scheduled to go on sale next February as a 2009 model, but Lutz did say GM views the Camaro as better equipped than the Mustang, and the price will be higher.

The Mustang V-6 coupe has a base price of $20,235. The V-8 GT coupe begins at $26,825. Both prices include shipping.

“We are going to be above Mustang,” Lutz said. “We have a very sophisticated suspension system and, frankly, a much nicer interior. We are not going to try and match the Mustang on price. We are going to be premium-priced compared to the Mustang.”
Hmm maybe I"ll have a camaro in my stable again.
 
#3 ·
"New Camaro" "4 cylinder"

Those two phrases do not belong in the same sentence.

-njjoe
 
#4 ·
As odd as it sounds, this might be the best option for GM to keep their CAFE numbers up. Ford is also moving towards turbocharged engines as well and shying away from large displacement V8's. There is even a rumor the next Ford Explorer will be a crossover with a 2L turbo 4.
 
#5 ·
Eric L. said:
As odd as it sounds, this might be the best option for GM to keep their CAFE numbers up. Ford is also moving towards turbocharged engines as well and shying away from large displacement V8's. There is even a rumor the next Ford Explorer will be a crossover with a 2L turbo 4.
yes... it already exists..... its called a ford escape.....
 
#6 ·
im glad GM finally saw the light that a properly designed v6 can meet performance figures of very big v8 engines while being more economical.... it is entirely feasible to eliminate the v8 from the line up and have a 400hp v6 engine instead.... and it'll still give out quite a nice exhaust note....

on the other hand.... while a turbo i4 can put out decent factory performance figures... im not sure anyone would want one because it just doesnt fit the image...these are muscle cars.... not technology stuffed high revving sedans....
 
#7 ·
as Jaak said about his hemi magnum, if you want to go fast -- you WILL pay for gas.

I'd put my 73 454 caprice up against any V6, it would be laughable.
I could smoke the tires at 70mph at will.

Exhaust note of a V6? *one eyebrow up*
Ever hear a V6 grand national car -- in person?
 
#8 ·
mgthe3 said:
as Jaak said about his hemi magnum, if you want to go fast -- you WILL pay for gas.

I'd put my 73 454 caprice up against any V6, it would be laughable.
I could smoke the tires at 70mph at will.

Exhaust note of a V6? *one eyebrow up*
Ever hear a V6 grand national car -- in person?
Except the last gen camaros were great on gas. I had a 99 Z28, before I modded it... it got high 20s on the highway and about 23 city... and I beat on that car
 
#9 ·
benhui86 said:
v6 engine.... and it'll still give out quite a nice exhaust note....
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#10 ·
Guys,

I do drive the 6-cylinder engine, direct injection, 304HP. And believe me it has a sweet note! And is very responsive, uses regular gas and gets decent fuel economy (better than the Murano ;)). Add some turbos and off you go….4-cylinder though…hm….I do not think Camaro with 4-cylinder engine would project the right image. Than again seeing what is happening at pumps I seriously would consider a hybrid….
 
#11 ·
Kris-

I am all for technology, and realize the power that modern 4-cylinder mills can produce. However, I live on the water and all summer I am awash in the sweet sounds of BIG-block V-8 engines. Nothing sounds quite the same. Even at idle you can hear and feel the power that is on tap.

The American Muscle Car era was built on the venerable V-8. I am glad I was around to see it. Although I never owned one, many of my friends had muscle cars and I spent many hours under the hoods of those cars. I feel bad for today's kids who believe they are "tuners" , yet their experience is limited to changing a chip or adding a cold-air intake.

I realize that many so-called "muscle cars" will be reintroduced with sophisticated 6 and even 4-cylinder engines. That is the way things are headed. I just hope I am not around to see GM try to drop one into the Vette. That would be the end of the era.

-njjoe
 
#12 ·
Joe,

I think we are both sentimental...;)

But you are right about today's tuners. Same applies to today's engineers........sad story, but life goes on. And we cannot change it.

So let's enjoy what left!

Before I go HYBRID I am going to thoroughly enjoy my 304HP! And I am not ashame of it! :)
 
#13 ·
My first "true" car was a camero and I am very excited about the new one. However, I think GM is missing the boat if they think they are going to out sell the mustang and the challenger because it has a more refined interior. Price is a key factor in the past and in the future. If they want to have success with the new one like they did with the F-body, they will need to be at 20K base, 25K well equipped.

JM2C, bg
 
#14 ·
The present is now and that is why Toyota has surpassed all american manufacturer's in global sales. If america wants its american made cars to compete in the marketplace than they need to market to the new generation of young buyers. The so called V-8 era of hotrods had its glory days in the 60's and 70's. And all you need to see is a EVO or STI smoke a mustang GT with its 4 banger turbo to realize times changed at least 5 to 10 years ago. I would like our car companies to step up to the bat. But I guess we would rather have the bigger is better attitude. I would put my money on any of the current AWD tuners over a heavy 70's car that could smoke the tires at 70 MPH. great traction there.