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DIY - Change your CVT Fluid

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Ok, first off, I apologize for not having pictures for this. I was pretty busy this weekend, and working on the car is a messy task - aka, I didn't want to get my digital camera dirty.

I changed my CVT fluid this past weekend, and since I don't see a DIY write-up for this (like oil changes, brakes, or cabin filters) on the forum, here it goes. My procedure differs from the FSM, which requires more fluid. I chose a 30,000-mile interval mainly because I am still not 100% convinced of the CVT's durability, and it's not that expensive since I do the work myself. Some will say it's overkill, but it's not like I am leasing the vehicle, nor did I pay $1500 for an extended warranty. Those who prefer to stick with extended intervals probably have their maintenance performed by the dealership and wouldn't find a DIY helpful writeup anyways.

Tools:

6-7 quarts Nissan NS-2 CVT fluid ($18/qt from Courtesy Nissan) - I used 5.5qts, but get 6 or 7 to be safe.
19mm socket wrench
Small flathead screwdriver
Needlenose pliers
Copper gasket - same as the one used for the oil pan drain plug (69 cents from Courtesy Nissan)
A very narrow spout funnel (for some reason, they seem to always come in orange - anyways, it's $2 from Walmart)


Directions:

1) Drive the car for about 15 minutes to warm up the transmission fluid - warm fluid flows faster
2) Park on a level surface and apply the parking brake (!)
3) Optional - jack up the car and place on jack stands all four corners (remember the car needs to be level for a proper drain)
4) The CVT oil pan is located on the driver's side - easy to find because the big metal/plastic scoop we love for drawing pictures in the snow is suitable in front of it
5) The CVT drain plug is located on the back half of the oil pan
6) Place a large container (8 qts recommended) beneath the drain plug
7) Remove the drain plug with a 19mm socket
8) Be careful! Oil will be pretty warm and gushes out very quickly. You might want to wear a pair of latex gloves for this.
9) Allow 10-15 minutes for CVT fluid to drain out.
10) Important - pour used CVT fluid into separate containers - I used old 1-gallon water jugs - to calculate approximately how much fluid you should add back in - in my case, it filled a little less than 1-1/2 gallon jugs, so I estimated 5-1/2 quarts.
11) Remove the old copper gasket - I used a flathead screwdriver to pry it up, then unscrewed it from the threads
12) Replace with new copper gasket
13) Reinstall the drain plug - hand tighten with a socket wrench - similar to how you hand pull the oil drain plug (i.e. a few firm tugs after the gasket has been flattened)
14) The CVT dipstick is the charging pipe to add new CVT fluid. It is locked into place with a plastic tab. Use one tip on the nose of the pliers (opened) to push in the plastic tab facing the front of the car, then pull up to release the dipstick. I used the pliers because the first time I removed the dipstick, I used the small flathead screwdriver and broke the plastic tab! The dealer replaced the dipstick for me for free, though.
15) Using the narrow neck funnel, which should fit neatly into the CVT tube, refill with NS-2 fluid the amount you drained out.
16) Reinsert the CVT dipstick with the plastic tab rotated 180 degrees (i.e. so it does not lock) - this makes it easier to check the CVT fluid level later.
17) Take your MO for a test drive, and with the engine at operating temperature (again, 10-15 minutes drive), shift through all the gears and then back to park (this is what the FSM says, but its a CVT, so I dunno why you need to do it).
18) With the engine idling and gear in Park, pull the CVT dipstick and check the level - it should be within the normal range. If low, add CVT fluid as required, 1/4 quart at a time (then recheck).
19) When the level is correct, reinsert the CVT dipstick so the plastic tab locks again.
20) Finished. Your CVT thanks you for taking care of it.

Curiously, it looked clear when I checked the old fluid using the dipstick. When I drained it, it was amber, slightly darker than the new motor oil. The new NS-2 fluid I added was a greenish clear colour.

Update: Make sure to take the used CVT oil to a local automotive fluid recycling facility (a store like Autozone or Kragen, for example) for proper processing. DO NOT pour it down the drain.
 
#2 ·
Let me get you to speculate here.

1- Do you think, like most "auto" transmissions, there is a filter located in the pan area?
2- Do you think it is even possible to
a- remove the pan with the transmission in the car?
b- buy a new pan gasket?
3- Do you think the dealer, or some other shop, has the necessary equipment to totally flush the CVT?

What do you think?

Good job on the DIY instructions.

Homer
 
#3 ·
1) The Murano might have one, but its not listed in the FSM.
2a) Yes, it looks like the transmission pan can be removed (looks like a normal 20 some odd bolt pan)
2b) If the filter exists, the gasket exists
3) The dealer will use the "manual" flush method from the FSM. Unless the independent shop buys OEM parts and fluids (usually the ones that specialize in a few makes, like European or Japanese cars exclusively, do) I'm not sure how you can service the CVT without Nissan NS-2 fluid.

Oh, I *tried* to service the transfer and rear diff too. In neither case could I remove the fill plug. The front transfer fill bolt is about 1-1/2" from one of the precats - not enough room to get even a ratcheting wrench into place to get any leverage - also tried every single angle socket and pivoting extension tool I had, no dice. The rear fill bolt is likewise 1-1/2" from the rear suspension member, and neither my allen wrench or allen socket will fit there. Stupid design. Now I'm not sure how the dealer will tackle it, but I might have them give it a try. *Nervous*




hfelknor said:
Let me get you to speculate here.

1- Do you think, like most "auto" transmissions, there is a filter located in the pan area?
2- Do you think it is even possible to
a- remove the pan with the transmission in the car?
b- buy a new pan gasket?
3- Do you think the dealer, or some other shop, has the necessary equipment to totally flush the CVT?

What do you think?

Good job on the DIY instructions.

Homer
 
#5 ·
Gonzo said:
Great post.... sounds pretty easy. I thought that the SM stated to
"flush" it using the discharge tube from the cooler. No?
Yeah but like I said, I strayed from the FSM for this one. I figure having CVT fluid spray all over your garage wall while you pour it in from above isn't tops on "most DIY maintenance" lists. :D
 
#6 ·
If people find this useful, I can also make this sticky.
 
#7 ·
I have 54k now. At the end of May I will get to 60k. Reading your post I am tempted to do it myself. Seems pretty easy.

Did you notice any difference in CVT behavior? Sound?

PS. I have made the thread “sticky”.
 
#9 ·
zebelkhan said:

I vote for sticky. What did you do with the "used" fluid?
Added a note about recycling the fluid. I take it to my local Autozone, where they recycle it for free.
 
#10 ·
Has anyone tried using a fluid exchanger/pump to change their transmission fluid? I have one and it has a skinny attachment that would allow me to suck the old oil out through the dipstick. I've used it to change oil on other cars before. It works really well.

http://tinyurl.com/j8xd2

Extremely unmessy, easy to use, and it has measurements labelled on the side of it so you know right away how much new fluid to add back in.

Larez2
 
#11 ·
larez2 said:
Has anyone tried using a fluid exchanger/pump to change their transmission fluid? I have one and it has a skinny attachment that would allow me to suck the old oil out through the dipstick. I've used it to change oil on other cars before. It works really well.

http://tinyurl.com/j8xd2

Extremely unmessy, easy to use, and it has measurements labelled on the side of it so you know right away how much new fluid to add back in.

Larez2
I was thinking the same thing.

Eric, was there any sludge at all in the drained fluid that would suggest a extractor would not be good to use?
 
#12 ·
jbowermo said:


I was thinking the same thing.

Eric, was there any sludge at all in the drained fluid that would suggest a extractor would not be good to use?
After 30,000 miles, no sludge at all.
 
#13 ·
If I recall correctly, access to the rear diff plug actually uses a hole through the rear subframe. Take a closer look, I'm %99 sure that's the case.

The transfer case OTOH I just take to my corner Chevron Oil Stop guys, I have no freaking clue what tool they use to get to it, I should ask next time for fun ;)
 
#14 ·
The only cencern I have is just draining alone may not be sufficient. I mean it is better than nothing but would you change your oil and leave a the dirty oil filter in place? I think I will bring mine to the dealer and hope they perform a complete flush as per the SM.
 
#15 ·
Gonzo,

i do not believe CVT has a filter.....
 
#16 ·
Kris said:
Gonzo,

i do not believe CVT has a filter.....
you are right Kris....

Here is the link to the extracts of CVT system and How-to (for service guys) from SM but it doesnt indicate any filter at all.....
as you can see in the cross-sectional diagram of CVT


PS> please let me know if its illegal to share extracts from SM !!
 
#19 ·
Gonzo said:
Interesting... what and where can we determine is the CVT detoriation date?
We've mused about this for a while now and no one seems to have come up with an explaination what this mysterious value is. It comes up on the CONSULT computer, but thats it. Apparently even high mileage MO's report a value in the low 1000's, and the limit is in the 100,000's. My guess is that its like the oil monitor on new cars - it doesn't measure any specific property of the fluid, but rather tallies up a "score" calculated from accumulated driving scenarios.
 
#20 ·
Eric is right,

howewer, I would still change the CVT fluid at least in 60k intervals. Smehow I find it hard to believe that fluid would last so long.......anyway, it certainly does not hurt to change it.
 
#21 ·
Gonzo said:
Interesting... what and where can we determine is the CVT detoriation date?
Gonzo-

I hope you are referring to the CVT fluid deterioration date. I want to believe the CVT itself will last quite a long time. :p

The CVT "brain" uses an algorithm to determine the remaining life of the CVT fluid. The Consult-II tool interrogates the brain and if the "CVTF DETERIORATION DATE" is greater then 210,000 the fluid needs to be changed.

-njjoe
 
#22 ·
Gonzo said:

I wasn't implying the it had a filter but leaving much of the fluid in the system as it would occur if an oil filter was left on after an oil change. I wasn't very clear.

I want "maxium flushage" for a tranny fluid change.... if that is even possible.
Gonzo-

If you follow the procedure in the Service Manual and want maximum "flushage" the SM indicates "about 30 - 50% extra fluid will be required". That is quite a bit of $$$.

-njjoe
 
#24 ·
Gonzo,

I believe that to do it right way you need to take off the CVT pan and clean it out. Then flash the system. And I do agree with you that the extra $$$ for 50% more CVT fluid is a small price to pay.

Just my 2c.....
 
#26 ·
I had a set of $9.99 jackstands in the beginning as well, but quickly found that I needed some really beefy jackstands that could raise the car high enough (these only went up to maybe 14-15") to really work underneath it (without the crossmember being 2" from my nose) I opted for a set of high jackstands (20" lift) with 4 ton capacity. They cost around $50 a pair, but the extra space underneath made them really worth it. Matches nicely to the jack I use, which can lift up to the same height I think.