[njjoe]

ra3boy-

Your dealer was right, it is nothing more than sweat. I would give your MO a bottle of Gatorade and park it in the shade. :ucrazy:

Your dealer's mechanic is a nitwit. :4: Engines and trannys don't "sweat", they leak. The only things that sweat on the MO are the return line to the A/C compressor and the evaporator coil.

The fluid could be CVT fluid or engine oil from up top. Either way it requires looking into.

-njjoe

 

[Eric L.]

Thanks Eric, I'm bringing car the first thing on Monday morning.
Does this look like a transfer case issue? Or CVT is inolved as well?
Once again, thanks.

Its the seal between them I think.

 

[njjoe]

This is a very important thread that Eric L. started and we really should keep it on topic.

If anyone want to discuss the lawsuit referenced in BEACHN and Warhammer's posts between Nissan the MO-maker and Nissan the computer-dude they can find the threads here -

Does any of you know the story behind nissan.com?

Hmmm

The lawsuit has absolutely no connection to the MO's transfer case.

-njjoe

 

[Warhammer]

Njjoe -- you're right. I moved my posting.

 

[BEACHN]

The lawsuit has absolutely no connection to the MO's transfer case.

Other than further showing the lack of care and respect shown by Nissan Motor Company to the little people as was experienced and discussed in previous messages from other members. Sorry, will keep mouth zipped. Previous message deleted.

 

[ra3boy]

Well, my MO is back after 5 hours repair: left axle seal was replaced,
transmission fluid added, all covered under extended warranty.
I looked underneath: looks dry so far , they did good job cleaning that oily mess.
Anyway, forgive me my naive question but... is the left side a driver side? If it is, doesn't left axle come directly from CVT, and the right axle from transfer case? And the oil leak was positively on side of transfer case.
Thanks.

 

[Eric L.]

Well, my MO is back after 5 hours repair: left axle seal was replaced,
transmission fluid added, all covered under extended warranty.
I looked underneath: looks dry so far , they did good job cleaning that oily mess.
Anyway, forgive me my naive question but... is the left side a driver side? If it is, doesn't left axle come directly from CVT, and the right axle from transfer case? And the oil leak was positively on side of transfer case.
Thanks.

The left axle seal would be drivers side, and yes that comes off the transmission. The right side axle comes off the transfer case on AWD models.

 

[cliffymiracle]

ra3boy-

Your dealer was right, it is nothing more than sweat. I would give your MO a bottle of Gatorade and park it in the shade. :ucrazy:

Your dealer's mechanic is a nitwit. :4: Engines and trannys don't "sweat", they leak. The only things that sweat on the MO are the return line to the A/C compressor and the evaporator coil.

The fluid could be CVT fluid or engine oil from up top. Either way it requires looking into.

-njjoe

Ha...I remember being screwed with the term "seepage" by Nissan when I owned an Altima!!! The dealer deemed "seepage" as normal wear and tear on a car that had less than 30K!!! But to use the term "sweat"??? That's absolutely crazy...glad the M got fixed "ra3boy" but keep an eye on the seals. I am on a 3rd pair...

 

[ra3boy]

Ha...I remember being screwed with the term "seepage" by Nissan when I owned an Altima!!! The dealer deemed "seepage" as normal wear and tear on a car that had less than 30K!!! But to use the term "sweat"??? That's absolutely crazy...glad the M got fixed "ra3boy" but keep an eye on the seals. I am on a 3rd pair...

Well, I'm back. And I do feel like my dealer "had" me in more than one way
The oil leak is back.... In the same location as above pictures.
Service report dated 11/10/08, "Replaced left side diferential seal".
The leak was between CVT & transfer case. Is that considered left differential seal???
If it is, the service manual calls fro dropping engine with CVT in order to separate transfer case
(to replace the bad seal). However, all repair took like 4-5 hours?!
Anyway, I'm going back, and I am ready to fight

 

[BEACHN]

Give 'em hell!!

 

[cliffymiracle]

Well, I'm back. And I do feel like my dealer "had" me in more than one way
The oil leak is back.... In the same location as above pictures.
Service report dated 11/10/08, "Replaced left side diferential seal".
The leak was between CVT & transfer case. Is that considered left differential seal???
If it is, the service manual calls fro dropping engine with CVT in order to separate transfer case
(to replace the bad seal). However, all repair took like 4-5 hours?!
Anyway, I'm going back, and I am ready to fight

You should be fine, it's just a frustrating...

I wouldn't go there mad, just tell them that you know it's a COMMON problem and hope that they fix it correctly this time. As I've posted in some other seal threads, you have to keep an eye on the seals. I conduct an inspection every oil change (that's pretty sad, ain't it). Let us know what happens...

Good luck...

 

[njjoe]

Well, I'm back. And I do feel like my dealer "had" me in more than one way
The oil leak is back.... In the same location as above pictures.
Service report dated 11/10/08, "Replaced left side diferential seal".
The leak was between CVT & transfer case. Is that considered left differential seal???

Hey guys, correct me if I am wrong, but the "left side differential seal" is on the driver's side and the seal between the CVT and transfer case is on the passenger side, right?

Did your dealer replace the wrong seal???

-njjoe

 

[Eric L.]

Hey guys, correct me if I am wrong, but the "left side differential seal" is on the driver's side and the seal between the CVT and transfer case is on the passenger side, right?

Did your dealer replace the wrong seal???

-njjoe

My guess is that they replaced the correct one. Nissan dealers charge an arm and a leg, but if you are paying them, they usually fix it correctly. Technically the seal between the CVT and transfer case is closer to the drivers side, but its really right in the middle.

 

[ra3boy]

An update:
Car is at the dealership since 9:00a.m.
I just received a call, "upper oil pan seal is leaking, gotta drop engine and CVT, seal is coming, will be ready Friday, the latest."
Has anyone ever heard about "upper oil pan seal"?
Or, they simply realized that wiping out transfer case does not solve the problem?!

 

[njjoe]

Has anyone ever heard about "upper oil pan seal"?

The VQ has a two-part oil pan.

The lower portion is actually the bottom of the sump. The upper portion is the remainder of the oil pan.

The lower and upper oil pans are sealed with RTV. No gasket is used. The upper oil pan is sealed to the block with RTV.

There are two gaskets - one in the front and the other at the rear of the engine.

I wonder what seal they are referring to??

-njjoe

 

[jacksheadache]

So before I get even get a chance to introduce myself here...

My wife traded in her 03 Pontiac Vibe, the car we never had trouble with.. thing is, it was too small and we needed more room with a 2nd kid on the way, and oh the AWD sounded nice, the nissian mo looked pretty sweet too!

2003. 80K

We put under 500 miles on the car and had it 30 days (to the day) when it blew up. Clunk, Clunk, Clunk, Clank.

The dealership has quoted a repair cost of... $7,000!!

I don't have the repair list in front of me but they said the transfer case was missing teeth, something was wrong with the axle? driveshaft? valve body? etc etc.

We test drove the car (I'm anal with my cars) and it drove GREAT.
We turned the AWD on once.. on the test drive! and that was it!

My wife ended up getting stranded on the road with the baby.

-Dealership we bought the car says it's our problem.

-Warranty is gone gone gone.

-The lawyers I've talked to said we don't have a chance, unless of course we can prove the impossible - the dealership deliberately covered something up.

So here we sit.
The dealership we purchased it from is willing to "work with us" now because I threw a fit. They are saying they can back date the paper work and offer us an extended warranty. Sounds good, next to being possible insurance fraud? We thought about it... but will probably pass.


I have read all 13 pages of this post and from the sounds of it.. we are ES OH EL. :2:


So just to double check... CAN ANYTHING BE DONE ABOUT THIS? next to footing a large bill.

Funny thing is, after read this post, even after fixing the car, I refuse to keep it.. seeing that the tranny and who knows what else is going to blow out next.

My wife LOVED the car. It's too bad they have so many problems.
We ended up buying it over a VW Jetta Wagon on a last minute decision and it's my fault for not doing the research on the car first.

I have NEVER seen a post like this on any car.. this is completely unbelievable. Anyone I know who has or has had a Nissan says nothing but good things.

Sorry for the rant on my first post here and maybe the last. Understandable upset about this though. Nissan needs to step up, fix this, and correct it on the newer models.

 

[BEACHN]

Wow that really sucks Jack. I've got every one of my fingers and toes crossed that this doesn't happen to me. And to have had it happen after having it just 500 miles, would definately make you go insane. I'm glad it didn't happen to me at my 500 mile mark, I was a third of the way through my move from the midwest to new england. And specially since I was in Canada most of that way, would not want to pay the Canadian cost to either "fix" it or hitch hike the rest of the way. I hope there's a brighter side for ya Jack.

 

[njjoe]

jacksheadache-

Welcome to the forum, and sorry to hear about your tale of woe.

Something does not sound right.

$7,000 for the replacement of the transfer case is excessive. That's more than the cost of the CVT.

Do you have a repair quote from the dealer listing the specifics? If you can post the details we can give them a once-over. Nissan dealers are not known for their customer support nor their honesty. The fact that they would back-date a warranty policy supports my contentions. If they claim the teeth are broken off on one of the two transfer case gears I would ask to see it. Just to make sure they are not trying to pull a fast one.

I also find it very odd that the car suffers a catastrophic failure just 500 miles after you purchased it. I would be very suspicious of that fact.

You can try calling Nissan Consumer Affairs @ 800- NISSAN-1 (or 800-647-7261).

-njjoe

 

[Kris]

Jacksheadache

I am really sorry to hear that. $7,000 for transfer case? That’s BS! It must be the CVT. Somehow I have the feeling that either the previous owner or the dealer, or both knew about it.

As Joe said – try to call Nissan. Not sure if it helps though….

My predictions are that we are going to see more posts like this one in the near future…..sad….

 

[zebelkhan]

Get the extended warranty...